How does gay marriage hurt you ?

[assemblage]

Not discrimination. Marriage licensing laws applies to everyone the same way. There is no legal right for homosexual couples to marry. As there is no right to marry for others who have loving and caring relationships such as fraternity brothers/sorority sisters, roomates, brothers/sisters and polygamists.

 

[jjzelinski]

Why do you Christians seek to impose the law of YOUR religion on everyone else? Is it not enough to satisfy your relationship w/ god to abide to his law yourself? In other words, MIND YOUR OWN G@D D4MN BUSINESS.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Ah, I see, so we should be able to make laws whatever we want for whatever reason we want? I guess that as long as the "Majority" agrees, anything goes?

Sorry, but the will of the majority /=morality.

Jason

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: polmPlease, explain to me how gay marriage rights infringe on the rights of others ?

They don't, but why is that a criterion for law?

 

[assemblage]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

"Why do you Christians seek to impose the law of YOUR religion on everyone else? " Nice sterotype. Same can be said about homosexuals who want to allow same sex unions.

"MIND YOUR OWN G@D D4MN BUSINESS" I'm not trying to force same sex unions through the court systems. I also didn't ask if you are gay.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: gutharius

Originally posted by: judasmachine
just a side note but does a natural hermaphadite have the right to marry anyone?

Yes, they should as they personally choose. You or I have no right to force our personal beliefs on how others choose to run their personal and most intimate relationships NOR SHOULD WE EVER.

I agree wholeheartedly. That post was to see if those who oppose gay marriage had an answer for someone who biologically cannot have sex that isn't considered homsexual in some manner.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Abraxas
Wouldn't encouraging the gay community to stay with one parter help to slow these diseases spread rates?

p0wn3d!!!!!!

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Why do you Christians seek to impose the law of YOUR religion on everyone else? Is it not enough to satisfy your relationship w/ god to abide to his law yourself? In other words, MIND YOUR OWN G@D D4MN BUSINESS.

God tells us to love others. That means we are to mind other people's business if we are to obey God. Sometimes this will mean doing things that people like; sometimes not. If others don't know God then they are in a situation that has to be helped if possible.

And anyway, what is politics except minding other people's business!

 

[lordtyranus]

Now, please enlighten me as to how a ban on Gay Marriage will help deal with STD's among gay males ?

Do you truly not believe that Gay Marraige is promoting homosexual behaviour?

Wouldn't encouraging the gay community to stay with one parter help to slow these diseases spread rates?

If they can't stay monogamous now, what makes you believe they will be able to instantly become monogamous once married? The rampant adultery among homosexual couples would be further destructive to the state of marraige.

Being monogamous shouldn't require encouragement in the first place. Perhaps homosexuals should question their commitments to each other before demanding that they get married.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: wkabel23

Originally posted by: polm
I can respect the will of the majority, but NOT when it comes at a cost of civil rights to the minority.

Please, explain to me how gay marriage rights infringe on the rights of others ?

Because if it doesnt, and I firmly beleive this to be true, then there is absolutely no difference between a ban on gay marriage and a ban on inter-racial marriage.

For those of you opposed to gay marriage, are you opposed to inter-racial marriage ?

Science will eventually put an end to this bigotry.

Just be patient, most people have irrational fear of something they don't understand.

well said :beer:

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Ah, I see, so we should be able to make laws whatever we want for whatever reason we want? I guess that as long as the "Majority" agrees, anything goes?
Sorry, but the will of the majority /=morality.
Jason

I did not claim this. This is a completely sputious argument. I asked why a particular criterion should be accepted. It doesn't mean that I don't believe in any criterion, nor does it even mean that I believe the criterion I questioned is wrong.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Now, please enlighten me as to how a ban on Gay Marriage will help deal with STD's among gay males ?

Do you truly not believe that Gay Marraige is promoting homosexual behaviour?

Wouldn't encouraging the gay community to stay with one parter help to slow these diseases spread rates?

If they can't stay monogamous now, what makes you believe they will be able to instantly become monogamous once married? The rampant adultery among homosexual couples would be further destructive to the state of marraige.

Being monogamous shouldn't require encouragement in the first place. Perhaps homosexuals should question their commitments to each other before demanding that they get married.

ahh yes, I forgot that Heterosexuals were so good at that whole monogamy thing.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Why do you Christians seek to impose the law of YOUR religion on everyone else? Is it not enough to satisfy your relationship w/ god to abide to his law yourself? In other words, MIND YOUR OWN G@D D4MN BUSINESS.

God tells us to love others. That means we are to mind other people's business if we are to obey God. Sometimes this will mean doing things that people like; sometimes not. If others don't know God then they are in a situation that has to be helped if possible.

And anyway, what is politics except minding other people's business!

Well what good is it to impose moral behavior if you haven't saved the soul? You can force me to follow your rules, but it does no good if my soul is still damned right? So what good is this law, that doesn't change a damn thing in your war for souls?

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Why do you Christians seek to impose the law of YOUR religion on everyone else? Is it not enough to satisfy your relationship w/ god to abide to his law yourself? In other words, MIND YOUR OWN G@D D4MN BUSINESS.

God tells us to love others. That means we are to mind other people's business if we are to obey God. Sometimes this will mean doing things that people like; sometimes not. If others don't know God then they are in a situation that has to be helped if possible.

And anyway, what is politics except minding other people's business!

listen Dude, you don't know anything more about G-D, or what he wants from us, than I do.

It's called INTERPERETATION !!!

You cannot force your opinionated interperetation concerning what G-D wants on other people.

That is not Love. Love is accepting people, not demeaning them.

You cannot judge a man, only G-D can. So stop doing it, OK.

 

[espressoman]

Originally posted by: CSMR
I don't make any laws and so am not forcing anyone.
The law forces people all the time; that is what the law does.
I don't believe in free will, but how is it relevant here? People have choices given the law. They are still under God in the same way.

My opinion is that the law has these purposes:
To create an order in which socity can function without descending into chaos. This includes protecting people. It gives freedoms (rights?) within this order.
To create a very basic moral order, to promote a basic sense of right and wrong in society.
To show that wrongdoing merits punishment.
I am not certain, but this is how it seems to me.

It's ironic, that the same reason the people left England and other European countries and founded America was to get away from the supression of "free will" by the religious groups at that time. Seems we've come full circle.

Heck, the book of Mormon says that African-Americans are black because they are sinners. Is that a positive way to think?

Whether or not the majority of this country thinks gay marriage is bad, is no reason to make laws against it. It's no different than saying blacks or women shouldn't vote. No different than saying interracial couples can't marry. All of these were made laws because the majority of the country thought these were immoral acts!

How come you are so unwilling to accept others outside your narrow realm of thought? How do you know that when you get judged in heaven, you don't get sent down to hell because you voted against gay marriage?

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Well what good is it to impose moral behavior if you haven't saved the soul?
You can force me to follow your rules, but it does no good if my soul is still damned right?

None, and yes.

So what good is this law, that doesn't change a damn thing in your war for souls?

It creates order, a sense of right and wrong, and a sense of justice, as I said. These are not ultimate goods, but they point in the right direction. If people's sense of right and justice improves, that doesn't save them, but it makes it easier to accept the more ultimate truth of God. I think.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Well what good is it to impose moral behavior if you haven't saved the soul?
You can force me to follow your rules, but it does no good if my soul is still damned right?

None, and yes.

So what good is this law, that doesn't change a damn thing in your war for souls?

It creates order, a sense of right and wrong, and a sense of justice, as I said. These are not ultimate goods, but they point in the right direction. If people's sense of right and justice improves, that doesn't save them, but it makes it easier to accept the more ultimate truth of God. I think.

there is no "sence" about it. The law stands, and it is to be enFORCED ! You are not teaching Gay people your ways, you are FORCING them to accept your ways.

Oh, and if you don't beleive in free will, then you my friend are a blasphemous pagan !

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Well what good is it to impose moral behavior if you haven't saved the soul?
You can force me to follow your rules, but it does no good if my soul is still damned right?

None, and yes.

So what good is this law, that doesn't change a damn thing in your war for souls?

It creates order, a sense of right and wrong, and a sense of justice, as I said. These are not ultimate goods, but they point in the right direction. If people's sense of right and justice improves, that doesn't save them, but it makes it easier to accept the more ultimate truth of God. I think.

Man you know what you get when you deny a drunk a drink? A sober alcoholic, they still lie, cheat, and steal. There would still be this 'order' thing you talk about if the state recognized gay marriage, and perhaps a bit more order.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

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Originally posted by: polm

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Originally posted by: assemblage
"There is absolutely no evidence that gay marriage leads to a negative impact on society." It's not difficult to find studies discussing the negative impact of homosexuality.
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please enlighten me with some data from these studies.
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STD transmission and sexual abuse are more prominent among homosexual relationships, for example.

Even assuming your assertion here is true, we're talking about a monogamous relationship here (marriage) so your data is completely pointless.

By the way, your data isn't correct. 😉

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: polm
listen Dude, you don't know anything more about G-D, or what he wants from us, than I do.
That is not Love. Love is accepting people, not demeaning them.

This is my standard for an attitude to other people. It is not judging in the sense of hateful but judging in the sense of correcting:

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

What do you know about God?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: polm
listen Dude, you don't know anything more about G-D, or what he wants from us, than I do.
That is not Love. Love is accepting people, not demeaning them.

This is my standard for an attitude to other people. It is not judging in the sense of hateful but judging in the sense of correcting:

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

What do you know about God?

I know enough to know he need better PR people.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Man you know what you get when you deny a drunk a drink? A sober alcoholic, they still lie, cheat, and steal. There would still be this 'order' thing you talk about if the state recognized gay marriage, and perhaps a bit more order.

That is true; the law does not create morality. My opinion is that the law creates a sense of morality but not an obedience to it.
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
Whether human laws create this sense I do not know for sure - I think so. If there were no laws against theft I think there would be not only more theft but more acceptance of theft as ok behaviour.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: polm
listen Dude, you don't know anything more about G-D, or what he wants from us, than I do.
That is not Love. Love is accepting people, not demeaning them.

This is my standard for an attitude to other people. It is not judging in the sense of hateful but judging in the sense of correcting:

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

What do you know about God?

none of your biblical quotes provide rationale for your "judging in the sense of correcting".

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Why do you Christians seek to impose the law of YOUR religion on everyone else? Is it not enough to satisfy your relationship w/ god to abide to his law yourself? In other words, MIND YOUR OWN G@D D4MN BUSINESS.

God tells us to love others. That means we are to mind other people's business if we are to obey God. Sometimes this will mean doing things that people like; sometimes not. If others don't know God then they are in a situation that has to be helped if possible.

And anyway, what is politics except minding other people's business!

And you wonder why people dislike your ilk so much!

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: espressoman
All of these were made laws because the majority of the country thought these were immoral acts!

How come you are so unwilling to accept others outside your narrow realm of thought? How do you know that when you get judged in heaven, you don't get sent down to hell because you voted against gay marriage?

I am not arguing that majorities are always right - of course they are not.
Whom do I not "accept"? I don't believe that homosexuals are particularly bad - everyone is bad. we each have our ways of being bad. Through the message of Christ we can repent and be forgiven. This is what gives me confidence, not what I do or who I am.

 

[polm]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: espressoman
All of these were made laws because the majority of the country thought these were immoral acts!

How come you are so unwilling to accept others outside your narrow realm of thought? How do you know that when you get judged in heaven, you don't get sent down to hell because you voted against gay marriage?

I am not arguing that majorities are always right - of course they are not.
Whom do I not "accept"? I don't believe that homosexuals are particularly bad - everyone is bad. we each have our ways of being bad. Through the message of Christ we can repent and be forgiven. This is what gives me confidence, not what I do or who I am.

then, please, deliver the message. Just don't FORCE the message into LAW !