lordtyranus
Banned
Do you have any statistics that state otherwise? I'm not going to waste time searching for more stuff if you aren't going to believe it anyway.
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How does gay marriage hurt you ?
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Do you have any statistics that state otherwise? I'm not going to waste time searching for more stuff if you aren't going to believe it anyway.
I notice that no one from the conservative side has touched that "hot potato". It's not surprising, frankly, because it greatly complicates the situation of straight vs. gay.
Hermaphroditism (it's called intersexuality now) is a very real, congenital phenomenon. No one chooses to have had their sexual development progress abnormally. Parents of intersexual babies have an extremely difficult choice to make... either flip a coin and re-make the sexual organs according to that choice, or leave the child as is, with female and male sexual characteristics and let the child decide when old enough what his or her gender is. Most parents choose the former because they think that having typical sexual organs (and a gender-specific upbringing) is what composes gender.
However, a lot of intersexual individuals discover throughout childhood and adolescence that they do not feel mentally and emotionally that they are the sex their parents chose for them (and most of the time this is with no knowledge that they were born with ambiguous genitalia). This is damning evidence that sexual identity comes not from what sex organs you have but instead from your brain chemistry (between the ears as opposed to between the legs). Consequently, a lot of intersexuals undergo sexual reassignment (sex change) surgeries later in life to correct the coin toss their parents made.
In my view, homosexuality/bisexuality has many similarities, though predominantly on a more subtle, internal level. We ALL start life as female... every single last one of us, and for those of us possessing a Y chromosome, our bodies begin transforming (both physically and cognitively) towards the male ideal. However, development can stop in different places for different people... so what we end up with is a continuum of sexual identity, with Female Identity (Male Attraction) on one end and Male Identity (Female Attraction) on the other end. Most males progress well beyond the halfway point, and most females end their progression before the midpoint. But everyone ends up in slightly different places on the scale. For most of us, we land well enough on one side to make a comfortable decision about what our gender identity and sexual preference is... but others fall nearer to the middle and as such end up very confused when they find themselves with significant attraction to both sexes (especially given our binary male/female societal constructs).
I think what many people refer to as gaydar is the ability to pick up on subtle physical and behavioral differences that we identify as either masculine or feminine. If masculine traits are observed in someone who is presumed to be female, then we may think of that person as homosexual, and the same for men with feminine characteristics.
But all of this (in my observation anyway) points to a definite biological phenomenon to the sexuality of people. Given that we all begin life as female, the progression from female-->male in the womb being at the root of sexual identity seems to me a very likely scenario. For the Darwinists, it doesn't have to possess a genetic component either. The hormones in the mother's body (as well as those secreted by the developing fetus itself) have a demonstrable effect on fetal development. If the ratios of hormones in utero go outside of "normal" limits, or interact somehow with a certain genetic makeup, a screwup in the male-->female differentiation process could very likely result, manifesting in brain chemistry and/or actual physical characteristics that are typical of the opposite sex.
To answer the OP, No... gays getting married has no real, measurable effect on me. Evidence (both anecdotal and scientific) seems to suggest that biological processes are at least partly responsible for sexual identity and orientation. So until there is definitive proof (or any real evidence) that one's sexuality is purely a choice, I see no reason to deny comparable rights to homosexuals in the interim. Sort of like "innocent until proven guilty" (ignore any moral or ethical implication in that analogy), which is a fundamental tenet of a free society.
l2c
espressoman
Member
If you actually take the time to read the word of God, you would know that a majority of the book actually promotes peace and understanding of others. Homosexuality is not an abomination. You cannot look past the actual "sex" and understand the sexuality. Your narrow mind cannot take an objective look at this topic because you are too disgusted by the "sex".
Suppose I told you I was gay. That I was happily in love with my partner of 5 years. Are you willing to tell me that, because I LOVE someone, and I am willing to spend the rest of my life with someone, I can not marry them because you are uncomfortable because of that? That I will be treated like a second class citizen just because I LOVE someone? Does it really make a difference whether or not the person is of the same or opposite sex? Two humans having faith in one another is not good enough for marriage? Isn't that what the word of God teaches us? That above all else having faith in something is far more important than self-righteousness, or hate, or ignorance?
I Jn 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
lordtyranus
Banned
For those of you who believe homosexuals do not recruit:
Parents Want Homosexuality Taught in Sex Ed
Parents Want Homosexuality Taught in Sex Ed
espressoman
Member
For those of you who believe biggots do not recruit, see above quote!
I have no hate, it is interesting that you should try to twist it to that. What I have is a belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. If you are arguing that, I do not hate you I disagree with you. It is you who need to take the time to read the bible, you will see that you are incorrect.
In any event the discussion should not be about religion. It is about a disagreance on a set of beliefs. Your narrow mind cannot understand that concept.
Ryan
Lifer
It's called "Sexual" education, not "heterosexual" education.
"A total of 76 percent of parents say sexual orientation should be taught in school"
And the study encompassed couples in general - so it's safe to assume that the overwhelming majority of the people serveyed were not gay, yet THEY want their children to be taught a well rounded education that included topics on homosexuality. Educating people on homosexuality != trying to turn people gay.
espressoman
Member
Anyone heterosexual couple can walk into city hall and get a marriage license, there is no sense of religion when it comes to marriage. It is in the eye of the beyholder.
Separate but equal does not work. It's not fair to say "You are not the same as us, so you must do things differently." I think this country has already been through several periods where it was shown "Separate but equal" doesn't work.
Discrimination is DISCRIMINATION. You are cleary discriminating against some one for who they are. Discriminating against someone because of their sexuality is no different than discriminating against someone for the color of their skin. You are living in a world of ignorance and hate, whether or not you see it.
It teaches us that we have to love others and not hate anyone. It teaches that we are to have faith in Christ and not in other people. It is only that faith in Christ that is important, not faith in "something". Jesus great teaching on love refers to and interprets Leviticus 19, which tells us to love, and how to love, and how not to hate. You cannot claim that sexual love is meant?!
Becasue the law is set to remove the civil rights of a group of peoples, thats why.
You cannot tell someone else how to live their life. That is between them and G-D. This law removes the right of Gay people to make choose for themselves.
You beleive that gay marriage is wrong. So you choose for yourself not to get married to another man.
But you are trying to deny a person his right to choose for himself. You are not allowing him the "FREE WILL" that G-D granted him.
We do not decide right and wrong. That is between each man and G-D.
You have to stop trying to force people to obey your opinion.
espressoman
Member
Do you have faith in your parents? Your mother? Your father? Maybe a wife? Kids? Pet? The fact that you can not separate the two sounds to me like you've been brainwashed by a cult.
espressoman
Member
I don't make any laws and so am not forcing anyone.
The law forces people all the time; that is what the law does.
I don't believe in free will, but how is it relevant here? People have choices given the law. They are still under God in the same way.
My opinion is that the law has these purposes:
To create an order in which socity can function without descending into chaos. This includes protecting people. It gives freedoms (rights?) within this order.
To create a very basic moral order, to promote a basic sense of right and wrong in society.
To show that wrongdoing merits punishment.
I am not certain, but this is how it seems to me.
The law forces people all the time; that is what the law does.
I don't believe in free will, but how is it relevant here? People have choices given the law. They are still under God in the same way.
My opinion is that the law has these purposes:
To create an order in which socity can function without descending into chaos. This includes protecting people. It gives freedoms (rights?) within this order.
To create a very basic moral order, to promote a basic sense of right and wrong in society.
To show that wrongdoing merits punishment.
I am not certain, but this is how it seems to me.
alright, so I can agree that Gay culture has a lot to learn about STD's and Sexual Protection....
but so does the heterosexual culture.
Now, please enlighten me as to how a ban on Gay Marriage will help deal with STD's among gay males ?
BTW...there are such things as Lesbians too. Got any numbers on them ?
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