how does fiorina even have the nerve to run?

[Craig234]

Seems to fit right in with this leftie circle jerk of a thread.

Another well thought out commentary that fits well with the one you are approving.

 

[xj0hnx]

No, you're an ideologue who doesn't have a clue, who takes one small thing and misrepresents it by great exaggeration.

In fact, our society benefits greatly from all kinds of government - some increasing productivity, some increasing quality of life, etc.

You're very ignorant IMO.

Of course, we need government 'for the people', healthy democracy - something your side fights all the time.

Instead, your side falls for right-wing ideology and hurts the public for the rich.

You never fail to be the epitome of a cradle to grave nanny stater. It's disgusting.

 

[Red Dawn]

Seems to fit right in with this leftie circle jerk of a thread.

And here you are acting as the Pivot Man.:ninja:

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I am just wondering, how someone soooo wealthy can relate to the everyday workers who is going to vote for her. I mean her life is nothing like the average person. I think she is adapt at getting loads of cash for herself, how to lobby congress for businesses, those talents I believe, but when she claims she can think for and little people, it's a bit unbelievable for me.

You do realize Nancy Pelosi is a millionaire and owns here own vineyard and winery. How the hell can she relate to everyday workers???

 

[Lanyap]

I am just wondering, how someone soooo wealthy can relate to the everyday workers who is going to vote for her. I mean her life is nothing like the average person. I think she is adapt at getting loads of cash for herself, how to lobby congress for businesses, those talents I believe, but when she claims she can think for and little people, it's a bit unbelievable for me.

I was just wondering the same thing about Jane Harman.

Democrat Jane Harman Profits From Firm Outsourcing California Jobs Overseas
By Robert Stacy McCain on 10.3.10 @ 11:34PM

California Democrat Rep. Jane Harman's family business is laying off American workers - including engineering employees in California - and shifting jobs overseas.

A letter from the human resources director of one Harman company, obtained exclusively by The American Spectator, describes a "permanent" layoff of dozens of California workers that went into effect last week.

"I am writing to inform you that Harman Consumer, Inc. has decided to consolidate their global engineering operations located at 8500 Balboa Boulevard, Northridge, California 91329, to Shenzhen, China," Sandra Buchanan wrote in the letter dated July 20. "The separation is expected to be on September 30, 2010 and will affect forty-eight (48) employees. . . . The layoffs are expected to be permanent . . . ."

Harman is the third-richest member of Congress, and her net worth increased last year $40 million, according to a study of Federal Election Commission records conducted by The Hill newspaper. Her husband, Sidney Harman, founded Harman International Industries, which was valued in 2007 at about $8 billion.

By May 2009, the company had already slashed its U.S. workforce by 900 and expected to make more than a thousand more layoffs by mid-2010, according to a Saturday Evening Post article that noted: "[W]hile shutting down U.S. facilities, Harman was simultaneously opening factories in China and India, as well as massive multimedia outlets in Dubai and New Delhi."

Sidney Harman recently purchased Newsweek magazine. His wife is seeking re-election in California's 36th District, which has been hit hard by the current recession. Mrs. Harman's Republican challenger, Mattie Fein, has been harshly critical of the incumbent's record on economic issues. One of the main newspapers in the district, the Torrance Daily Breeze, has said it is "not interested" in covering the GOP candidate.

http://spectator.org/blog/2010/10/03/democrat-jane-harman-profits-f

 

[Lanyap]

HP had more jobs than when she started, huffpo is being deliberately misleading or outright lying.

Worldwide, yes, because she bought Compaq but she laid off US workers and offshored their jobs.

 

[trenchfoot]

She is obsessive/compulsive toward acquiring power and wielding it for personal satisfaction and profit.

She is the quintessential corporate elitist that together with the likes of Bush, Cheney, Murdoch etc. will drag us back to the good 'ol days of corporate welfare, deregulate to decriminalize, never ending orgies between lobbyists and repub politicians on E Street, starting wars at the behest of Halliburton and its ex-CEO turned vice pres Cheney for fun and profit while cutting taxes for the rich to make the middle class, the poor and their children and their childrens' children pay for their very profitable crusades in the middle east and on and on and on.

Getting richer and more powerful while weakening our military and bankrupting the nation seems to be the plan that they're hell-bent on repeating.

The select elite that owns the repub party got addicted to the extremely profitable good 'ol days of Bush and Cheney and they will do ANYTHING to bring back those fun times. ANYTHING.

 

[werepossum]

She is obsessive/compulsive toward acquiring power and wielding it for personal satisfaction and profit.

She is the quintessential corporate elitist that together with the likes of Bush, Cheney, Murdoch etc. will drag us back to the good 'ol days of corporate welfare, deregulate to decriminalize, never ending orgies between lobbyists and repub politicians on E Street, starting wars at the behest of Halliburton and its ex-CEO turned vice pres Cheney for fun and profit while cutting taxes for the rich to make the middle class, the poor and their children and their childrens' children pay for their very profitable crusades in the middle east and on and on and on.

Getting richer and more powerful while weakening our military and bankrupting the nation seems to be the plan that they're hell-bent on repeating.

The select elite that owns the repub party got addicted to the extremely profitable good 'ol days of Bush and Cheney and they will do ANYTHING to bring back those fun times. ANYTHING.

I am officially beyond being amazed you can type. I am now amazed that you negotiate sidewalks, which would imply some heretofore undetectable overlap between your world and reality.

 

[OutHouse]

I am officially beyond being amazed you can type. I am now amazed that you negotiate sidewalks, which would imply some heretofore undetectable overlap between your world and reality.

hehehe thats funny.

 

[jackstar7]

Such detailed and convincing critique; did it take you all day to compose?

C'mon, you know it didn't take any thought at all.

 

[evident]

dunno how anyone would vote for her. she's regarded as one of the worst CEO's around, even textbooks and business teachers mention how bad she was, but i guess they all have liberal bias, right

 

[Patranus]

dunno how anyone would vote for her. she's regarded as one of the worst CEO's around, even textbooks and business teachers mention how bad she was, but i guess they all have liberal bias, right

Right, because every other tech company didn't fall flat during the tech down turn in the early 2000s.

The HP merger with Compaq initially caused headaches in the company but positioned HP to be the in the position it is today.

Oh noos!!!! An executive assistant got laid off and now they are upset. *shocked*

Oh noos!!! 2 companies merged and there were layoffs like every other company that merges. *shocked*

The huffington post is grasping at straws just like they were grasping at straws with the Whitman/maid story.

 

[Vette73]

Right, because every other tech company didn't fall flat during the tech down turn in the early 2000s.

The HP merger with Compaq initially caused headaches in the company but positioned HP to be the in the position it is today.

Oh noos!!!! An executive assistant got laid off and now they are upset. *shocked*

Oh noos!!! 2 companies merged and there were layoffs like every other company that merges. *shocked*

The huffington post is grasping at straws just like they were grasping at straws with the Whitman/maid story.

Please, anybody with any business knew it was a cluster fuck from the start. HP gained very little they did not already have. The only thing it did was remove 1 other player. Of course all the other players got that bonus and did not have to pay anything.

 

[Patranus]

Please, anybody with any business knew it was a cluster fuck from the start. HP gained very little they did not already have. The only thing it did was remove 1 other player. Of course all the other players got that bonus and did not have to pay anything.

Huh?
The US PC market share of Compaq and HP before the merger was 20%
The US PC market share of HP after the merger was 25%

 

[IndyColtsFan]

HP had more jobs than when she started, huffpo is being deliberately misleading or outright lying.

Of course it did -- HP merged with Compaq and initially inherited all of their employees, then bought EDS, etc. They've been paring down ever since under the "leadership" of Mark Turd and this new guy will probably be more of the same. So naturally, even a pared down combination of HP-Compaq-EDS would still have more employees than the HP Carly inherited.

I was a Compaq employee when the "merger" was announced. I can't tell you how shocked and sad we were.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Please, anybody with any business knew it was a cluster fuck from the start. HP gained very little they did not already have. The only thing it did was remove 1 other player. Of course all the other players got that bonus and did not have to pay anything.

On the contrary, HP gained quite a bit. HP's PCs were fair and their Intel servers were crap compared to what Compaq had. Proliant servers wiped the floor with HP Netservers and Compaq's PC were regarded as better as well.

It has taken several years, but the original vision behind the merger has been proven correct IMO. HP and Compaq were getting clobbered by Dell in the late 90s/early 2000s. HP didn't have the hardware to compete, but Compaq did. HP was in other markets (imaging, printing) where Compaq had no presence. Both Carly Fiorina and Michael Capellas decided that neither HP or Compaq would likely be able to overcome Dell alone and they both saw that a merger was inevitable down the road; they decided it was better to do it voluntarily and on their own terms rather than being forced.

For the record, I was a Compaq employee when the merger was announced. It shocked and saddened all of us. Just a few quarters before that, Compaq was posting big numbers and we all got huge bonuses. And then this happened -- many of us thought we should have fought on and that if anything, Compaq should have acquired HP rather than how it turned out.

 

[werepossum]

On the contrary, HP gained quite a bit. HP's PCs were fair and their Intel servers were crap compared to what Compaq had. Proliant servers wiped the floor with HP Netservers and Compaq's PC were regarded as better as well.

It has taken several years, but the original vision behind the merger has been proven correct IMO. HP and Compaq were getting clobbered by Dell in the late 90s/early 2000s. HP didn't have the hardware to compete, but Compaq did. HP was in other markets (imaging, printing) where Compaq had no presence. Both Carly Fiorina and Michael Capellas decided that neither HP or Compaq would likely be able to overcome Dell alone and they both saw that a merger was inevitable down the road; they decided it was better to do it voluntarily and on their own terms rather than being forced.

For the record, I was a Compaq employee when the merger was announced. It shocked and saddened all of us. Just a few quarters before that, Compaq was posting big numbers and we all got huge bonuses. And then this happened -- many of us thought we should have fought on and that if anything, Compaq should have acquired HP rather than how it turned out.

Doesn't matter. Anything done by a Republican is bad, therefore anything done by someone who later runs as a Republican is retro-bad. It's the same principle (or lack thereof) that establishes that rich Republicans are evil whereas rich Democrats are men/women of the people, or that rich Republicans lay off workers because they are evil rich Republicans whereas rich Democrats lay off workers because of evil rich Republicans. It saves loads of time that might otherwise be wasted in thinking, establishes a basic dishonesty that lays the ground work for self-benefiting dishonesty in all other walks of life, and best of all, if you take a massive brain trauma there's no need to change your political philosophy!

I'm still waiting on the post about Governor Moonbeam's record of massive private sector job creation.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Doesn't matter. Anything done by a Republican is bad, therefore anything done by someone who later runs as a Republican is retro-bad. It's the same principle (or lack thereof) that establishes that rich Republicans are evil whereas rich Democrats are men/women of the people, or that rich Republicans lay off workers because they are evil rich Republicans whereas rich Democrats lay off workers because of evil rich Republicans. It saves loads of time that might otherwise be wasted in thinking, establishes a basic dishonesty that lays the ground work for self-benefiting dishonesty in all other walks of life, and best of all, if you take a massive brain trauma there's no need to change your political philosophy!

Well, to be fair, Carly was roundly criticized for the merger at the time and more importantly, she did an exceptionally poor job of integrating Compaq into the new HP. She seemed more interested in jet setting and getting publicity than settling down and putting the new company on course.

That, ultimately, is what cost her the CEO position -- lack of execution. I was always fond of Capellas but he was gone by the time Carly was ousted so they chose Hurd. From a business perspective, Hurd did do a fine job; however, I can tell you that he was not liked in the company and that morale was exceptionally poor.

I'm still waiting on the post about Governor Moonbeam's record of massive private sector job creation.

Yeah, that ought to be good.

 

[her209]

Huh?
The US PC market share of Compaq and HP before the merger was 20%
The US PC market share of HP after the merger was 25%

Your point? Dell, Gateway, Toshiba and Apple's market share went up despite not merging with anyone else.

 

[Vette73]

Huh?
The US PC market share of Compaq and HP before the merger was 20%
The US PC market share of HP after the merger was 25%

And then it started dropping till it lost market share and dropped below dell. 2006 is AFTER Fiorina was fired. If anything your little sheet shows why someone should NOT vote for her.

Even the stock price was dead the entire time she was there because of the merger...

"On Sept. 4, 2001, the day that HP and Compaq announced the merger, H-P's stock closed at $18.87, down sharply from $23.21 the previous trading day. On May 3, 2002, when the deal was officially consummated, the stock ended the day at $17.44. As of Sept. 21, 2004, the shares stood at $18.70"

So HP lost a pile of money it could have invested and lost at least 3 years of ability to move forward. Dell saw that and jumped up and took the lead.

 

[Patranus]

And then it started dropping till it lost market share and dropped below dell. 2006 is AFTER Fiorina was fired. If anything your little sheet shows why someone should NOT vote for her.

Even the stock price was dead the entire time she was there because of the merger...

"On Sept. 4, 2001, the day that HP and Compaq announced the merger, H-P's stock closed at $18.87, down sharply from $23.21 the previous trading day. On May 3, 2002, when the deal was officially consummated, the stock ended the day at $17.44. As of Sept. 21, 2004, the shares stood at $18.70"

So HP lost a pile of money it could have invested and lost at least 3 years of ability to move forward. Dell saw that and jumped up and took the lead.

Huh, since 10-04-2001 HP is up 222% while Dell is down 26%
(With the DJI up 33%)
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...&cmpto=NYSE:HP&cmptdms=0&q=NASDAQ:DELL&ntsp=0

Short term the move sucked. Long term the move is paying off.

 

[Vette73]

Huh, since 10-04-2001 HP is up 222% while Dell is down 26%
(With the DJI up 33%)
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...&cmpto=NYSE:HP&cmptdms=0&q=NASDAQ:DELL&ntsp=0

Short term the move sucked. Long term the move is paying off.

face palm.
Long term has many other factors, one major one was getting rid of Fiorina. Dell has made mistakes as well since then.

The merger was bad. 25billion and 3+ years wasted. And the person running it was Fiorina. After she left HP got better. Last I checked Dell is not running for CA office, Fiorina is. And this is just another reason to not vote for her.

 

[werepossum]

Well, to be fair, Carly was roundly criticized for the merger at the time and more importantly, she did an exceptionally poor job of integrating Compaq into the new HP. She seemed more interested in jet setting and getting publicity than settling down and putting the new company on course.

That, ultimately, is what cost her the CEO position -- lack of execution. I was always fond of Capellas but he was gone by the time Carly was ousted so they chose Hurd. From a business perspective, Hurd did do a fine job; however, I can tell you that he was not liked in the company and that morale was exceptionally poor.



Yeah, that ought to be good.

I was never very impressed with her because under her watch, HP moved away from RPN calculators (which probably had absolutely nothing to do with her, but still!) But the Compaq acquisition was a good thing. HP had become over-engineered and was losing competitiveness; Compaq had faced the same problem and largely licked it. Compaq had tech and technique that HP needed to survive another decade in the PC market.

Still, it's a pretty sharp distinction this year: If you think California is well-run now, vote for Moonbeam, who is really far better than most of the potential Democrat candidates. If you think California is not well-run now, vote for Fiorina as the lesser evil.

 

[Thump553]

Interesting argument-vote for a proven bad leader with no political experience (as opposed to a previously successful governor) as the lesser of two evils. Very persuasive.

BTW I have a relative who is a long term employee of HP and die hard Palin fan who absolutely bristles at Fiorina's name. The best thing that ever happened to HP was when she was shown the door (albiet in the typical massive golden parachute manner for disgraced CEOs).

 

[Patranus]

Interesting argument-vote for a proven bad leader with no political experience (as opposed to a previously successful governor) as the lesser of two evils. Very persuasive.

BTW I have a relative who is a long term employee of HP and die hard Palin fan who absolutely bristles at Fiorina's name. The best thing that ever happened to HP was when she was shown the door (albiet in the typical massive golden parachute manner for disgraced CEOs).

When was Barbra Boxer governor?