How does excessive ID turn away minority voters?

[steppinthrax]

I don't understand this. I'm a minority. I bring my voter reg card and my drivers license. I read somewhere that laws that require excessive ID or restrictive ID are designed to target minorities.

Why is this?

 

[fskimospy]

I don't understand this. I'm a minority. I bring my voter reg card and my drivers license. I read somewhere that laws that require excessive ID or restrictive ID are designed to target minorities.

Why is this?

Minorities are less likely to have all the necessary documentation to get that ID.

Also, voter ID laws are irrational anyway, as they target a nonexistent problem.

 

[steppinthrax]

Minorities are less likely to have all the necessary documentation to get that ID.

Also, voter ID laws are irrational anyway, as they target a nonexistent problem.

So why are Minorities less likely to have all the necessary docs?

 

[piasabird]

I think people should have to prove they paid federal income tax or they don't vote. This is based on "He who pays the Bills, gets to set the rules!"

 

[fskimospy]

So why are Minorities less likely to have all the necessary docs?

That's a complex question. Regardless, they do.

 

[fskimospy]

I think people should have to prove they paid federal income tax or they don't vote. This is based on "He who pays the Bills, gets to set the rules!"

That would violate the Constitution pretty flagrantly. I thought you liked the Constitution.

 

[thraashman]

I don't understand this. I'm a minority. I bring my voter reg card and my drivers license. I read somewhere that laws that require excessive ID or restrictive ID are designed to target minorities.

Why is this?

Minorities, the poor, the elderly are all statistically less likely to maintain an up-to-date ID. And in the case of poorer individuals, most of these IDs cost money and/or require documentation that if you haven't maintained (like birth certificate) costs money as well. In addition the process of getting an ID can be burdensome on those who barely get by (work sometimes multiple jobs, travel time for work, kids, school, etc). While the burden may not seem particularly heavy to those of us who are amongst the more privileged, for less fortunate it is oftentimes enough to simply not bother maintaining the ID.

Thus adding an ID requirement can and studies have shown often is a deterrent to vote for millions of fully legal voters.

 

[piasabird]

Only illegal immigrants fail to have documentation.

 

[piasabird]

How do you apply for welfare or government aid without documentation???

 

[steppinthrax]

That's a complex question. Regardless, they do.

Anyone, "try" to answer this question?

 

[thraashman]

Only illegal immigrants fail to have documentation.

If you truly believe that then we have been going about discussing with you all wrong. We apparently need to start with educating you from about 4th grade level up.

 

[thraashman]

Anyone, "try" to answer this question?

Please note my first response in this thread, I gave a somewhat brief but accurate response attempting to answer your question. I even did my best to leave partisanship out of it.

 

[lopri]

OP, check this out.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/27/texas-vote-id-proof-certificate-minority-law

 

[Jaskalas]

How do you apply for welfare or government aid without documentation???

Exactly. This is a BS excuse. It does not restrict voting.

 

[piasabird]

The social security administration issues a Number to foreigners that they allow to work in the USA. Even a foreign student can get an ID similar to a SSN card that allows them to work. The only issue I see is people who invaded the USA who should not have any rights and who are not allowed to be in the USA legally. Try getting SS or disability without a birth certificate a SSAN card and proof of where you live.

I do understand all people have basic human rights even under the constitution. The right to vote should depend on legal status and legal residence or where one lives i.e. voting district. This is why in most states you have to register to vote 30 days before an election so they will already know where you live before you vote. I don't think you should have to have a voter registration card if you are already registered with the government, unless you registered outside of the required timeframe, i.e. the day of the election.

Normally during the voting there are election judges form both parties keeping an eye on what is going on.

 

[steppinthrax]

Only illegal immigrants fail to have documentation.

How can illegals even vote. In any state????

 

[HTFOff]

I yearn for the day this eventually comes to pass nationally, just to see the student body wing of the democrat party foam at the mouth. Oh, it is coming and it will be fucking delicious.

And yes, the sun will rise the next day. Life will go on.

 

[fskimospy]

Exactly. This is a BS excuse. It does not restrict voting.

The requirements for government aid are different than for photo ID.

It inarguably restricts voting. That's in fact the purpose of the law.

 

[steppinthrax]

Please note my first response in this thread, I gave a somewhat brief but accurate response attempting to answer your question. I even did my best to leave partisanship out of it.

Sorry,

I think when I was writing my response you were writing yours...

 

[thraashman]

The requirements for government aid are different than for photo ID.

It inarguably restricts voting. That's in fact the purpose of the law.

You have to remember eskimospy, people like piasa WANT legal voters to be suppressed. He's the type of bad human being that would rather his team win than play with integrity... He's probably a New Orleans Saints fan too.

 

[lopri]

How do you apply for welfare or government aid without documentation???

Offensive and predictably ignorant suggestion that minority = welfare recipients. Especially when the facts are to the contrary. Have you visited, say, a local senior home?

 

[WackyDan]

Minorities, the poor, the elderly are all statistically less likely to maintain an up-to-date ID. And in the case of poorer individuals, most of these IDs cost money and/or require documentation that if you haven't maintained (like birth certificate) costs money as well. In addition the process of getting an ID can be burdensome on those who barely get by (work sometimes multiple jobs, travel time for work, kids, school, etc). While the burden may not seem particularly heavy to those of us who are amongst the more privileged, for less fortunate it is oftentimes enough to simply not bother maintaining the ID.

Thus adding an ID requirement can and studies have shown often is a deterrent to vote for millions of fully legal voters.

How do you rationalize their ability to prove who they are for medical care/benefits, Welfare benefits, their driver's license (if they have one), etc?

There are gov't programs and private services that require some form of official ID. How is it these people are expected to have that ID in those scenarios and do indeed provide it but can't be required to show an id when they vote?

 

[fskimospy]

How do you rationalize their ability to prove who they are for medical care/benefits, Welfare benefits, their driver's license (if they have one), etc?

There are gov't programs and private services that require some form of official ID. How is it these people are expected to have that ID in those scenarios and do indeed provide it but can't be required to show an id when they vote?

Because voting is held to a higher standard than receipt of benefits. You have to cross a higher hurdle to restrict it.

 

[WackyDan]

Offensive and predictably ignorant suggestion that minority = welfare recipients. Especially when the facts are to the contrary. Have you visited, say, a local senior home?

Yet there are indeed numerous scenarios like healthcare insurance and providers requiring proof of identification - Not to mention numerous other scenarios where some form of official ID is required just to get by in your life, but no... You can't ask for ID when voting?

Give me a break.

 

[WackyDan]

Because voting is held to a higher standard than receipt of benefits. You have to cross a higher hurdle to restrict it.

I understand the "it's a right" argument.

That said, we place plenty of restrictions and proof of ID on the 2nd amendment so you shouldn't have a problem with voter ID.