How does a FX-6300+RHD7750gpu compare to the high end A10K?

[MightyMalus]

Simple question, yet not sure what to expect.

I want to build a PC in awhile and I'm looking for something "good enough" but upgradable.

Considering that there is no FM2+(Bolton D4 Motherboards out yet), and building an APU system in the hopes of Kaveri, seems unlikely atm. I was wondering if an AM3+ system would fair better. Even tho, it ends up slightly more expensive. But, at least I can upgrade the GPU more often or be more up-to-date with them. For example, the "big core" APU's don't even use GCN yet, and we about to get the next GCN. That does bother me.

So, how does a FX-6300 with a HD7750 compare for gaming to an A10-5800K?
Anyone got something like that around?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Simple question, yet not sure what to expect.

I want to build a PC in awhile and I'm looking for something "good enough" but upgradable.

Considering that there is no FM2+(Bolton D4 Motherboards out yet), and building an APU system in the hopes of Kaveri, seems unlikely atm. I was wondering if an AM3+ system would fair better. Even tho, it ends up slightly more expensive. But, at least I can upgrade the GPU more often or be more up-to-date with them. For example, the "big core" APU's don't even use GCN yet, and we about to get the next GCN. That does bother me.

So, how does a FX-6300 with a HD7750 compare for gaming to an A10-5800K?
Anyone got something like that around?

Depending on what budget you have and what kind of games you want to play, there are also quite a few other options. If budget permits, you would do better to go intel with a low end i5 (or 3570K if you plan to overclock) and a more powerful graphics card.

However, to answer specific question you proposed, the 6300 plus 7750 would be much faster than the A10 without a discrete card. The perfomance of the A10 is not listed in Anand's bench, but it is somewhat lower than a GT640 ddr3, which if you compare to the 7750, the 7750 is 50 to 100 percent faster. The A10 is very limited for serious gaming. Some current titles will be unplayable except at lowest settings at very low resolutions, not to mention future more demanding games.

The other question is why you are limiting yourself to a HD7750. The only reason I see to get that card is if you have an off the shelf OEM system with a weak power supply, because it does not require an external power connector. If I were building my own system with a decent power supply, I would get at least a HD7770 (only slightly more expensive than the 7750 and 30 to 40% faster) or for about 80.00 more get a HD7850. The 6300 would be more than fast enough to match with any of those cards and blow away the performance of the A10 apu.

 

[Soulkeeper]

As suggested it really depends what you are running.

Just looking at video card bandwidth alone (assuming the 7750 has 128-bit gddr5) the FX-6300 with a HD7750 could be up to twice as fast from that metric.
72.0GB/s vs. ~30GB/s (shared with cpu's)
Also the FX-6300 has an extra module and more cache, which could again offer a noticeable performance boost in many things.

On the other hand the APU will win for power usage, and if it's "good enough" for what you do then that's an added bonus.

 

[SPBHM]

CPU
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=699


GPU
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-10/amd-a10-5800k-5700-a8-5600k-5500-apu-desktop-deuxieme.html


if it's worth the price difference? I really don't know, "good enough" for what?

 

[MightyMalus]

The 7750 was more like a stepping stone for the next line of cards.(Maybe I will wait for the next cards anyways.)

I'm not going Intel at all. I know they got better CPU's but Haswell not having GT3 on the Desktop chip is bleh. I'll stick to AMD.

I was thinking, "good enough" 1080p over an LCD TV.

 

[inf64]

I guess the discrete option with FX would get you decently better performance in games. Now if gaming is not primary usage of your PC but it's just general purpose one(like browsing,occasional light gaming,occasional video encoding for android format etc.) then 5800K can be "good enough". FX6300 does have considerably better x86 performance and is more "future proof" when it comes to future workloads since it has 50% more cores and L3 cache. Both cpus are unlocked so maybe ~4.4Ghz is around max. for both on solid air cooler.

Price is 5800K's advantage and it boils down to what you need your PC for. Give a bit more and have a system that will last longer or save some $ and go with good enough build that you will probably replace in ~1 year or so since by that time Kaveri will be on the shelves with much better x86 and (GP)GPU performance.

 

[AtenRa]

The FX6300 + discrete GPU will be faster than the A10-5800K.

You have two choices,

1: Get a FM2 mobo with Quad core A8-5600K + Discrete. Save a few bucks over the AM3+ Mobo+ CPU and get a higher Discrete GPU like HD7850. You can also OC the Quad Core CPU for higher performance. Next year you can upgrade the CPU to the kaveri line keeping the same Mobo.

2: Get a 970 chipset AM3+ mobo + the FX6300 and HD7750, upgrade the GPU next year.

PS: You can save even more bucks by getting the AMD Athlon II X4 750K Black Edition for FM2 if you can find it. http://geizhals.de/846121

 

[MightyMalus]

1: Get a FM2 mobo with Quad core A8-5600K + Discrete. Save a few bucks from the Mobo+ CPU and get a higher Discrete GPU like HD7850. You can also OC the Quad Core CPU for higher performance. Next year you can upgrade the CPU to the kaveri line keeping the same Mobo.

This is what I was thinking before but with the FM2+ socket rumor and the Bolton D4 chipset coming out soon...how certain is Kaveri to work on current mobos?

Edit: Do dGPU's none "dual graphics" play happily with APU's? Example, A10K+HD7950...

 

[AtenRa]

A10 + HD7950 is fine. You may need to OC a little bit (~4.5GHz) for some games though.

 

[Hubb1e]

FX 6300 is a decent CPU for gaming as long as you put an overclock on it. The A10 is faster than the FX6300 stock but they reach similar overclocks and the FX 6300 has an extra 2 cores for the rare games that can take advantage of that. The 7750 is much faster than the A10's graphics. I think you'll be better off with the FX6300 and 7750 (I'd get the 7770) if you're planning on more than casual gaming. The A10 is great for casual gamers who just want something that can handle a game once in awhile, but if you're building a gaming computer you'll need a real discreet card.

The FX6300 and FX7770 are well paired and would make a good gaming platform. I'd prefer the FX6300 over a similarly priced i3 only for the extra cores. Gaming is gettign better threaded and the FX chips are well suited to handle future multithreaded loads.

 

[SPBHM]

A10 + HD7950 is fine. You may need to OC a little bit (~4.5GHz) for some games though.

it doesn't make much sense really, the FX 6300 is only what? 10, 20 more expensive? and look at how much you are expending with the VGA for a 7950.

at the same clock even the 4300 have a clear lead for gaming (for the same money http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=700), now the 6300 have twice the l3 of the 4300 and another "2 cores"...

and to be honest, with a high end GPU I would recommend a core i5 at least, but if you want AMD, you should only go with Fm2 if you need to use the IGP I think, if not, the 6300 or 4300 makes more sense!?
(although is nice to have the IGP, you never know when you will need another "card" for emergency)

 

[AtenRa]

it doesn't make much sense really, the FX 6300 is only what? 10, 20 more expensive? and look at how much you are expending with the VGA for a 7950.

at the same clock even the 4300 have a clear lead for gaming (for the same money http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=700), now the 6300 have twice the l3 of the 4300 and another "2 cores"...

and to be honest, with a high end GPU I would recommend a core i5 at least, but if you want AMD, you should only go with Fm2 if you need to use the IGP I think, if not, the 6300 or 4300 makes more sense!?
(although is nice to have the IGP, you never know when you will need another "card" for emergency)

I replied to hes question about the A10 + 7950.

I have already said that either the FX6300 + Discrete or FM2 Athlon + higher end Discrete is the better choice.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I replied to hes question about the A10 + 7950.

I have already said that either the FX6300 + Discrete or FM2 Athlon + higher end Discrete is the better choice.

I think the OP was referring to asymmetric crossfire with the discrete GPU and the A10. If that was the question, and I am sure you are knowledgeable about this too, the 7750 or anything higher will not work in crosssfire with the igpu. I think what, 6670 is the highest level that will work in crossfire with the igpu?

 

[frozentundra123456]

The 7750 was more like a stepping stone for the next line of cards.(Maybe I will wait for the next cards anyways.)

I'm not going Intel at all. I know they got better CPU's but Haswell not having GT3 on the Desktop chip is bleh. I'll stick to AMD.

I was thinking, "good enough" 1080p over an LCD TV.

If you want to play any kind of demanding game at 1080p, I would strongly suggest a discrete card.

 

[Red Hawk]

The 7750 was more like a stepping stone for the next line of cards.(Maybe I will wait for the next cards anyways.)

I'm not going Intel at all. I know they got better CPU's but Haswell not having GT3 on the Desktop chip is bleh. I'll stick to AMD.

I was thinking, "good enough" 1080p over an LCD TV.

Intel's graphics performance is irrelevant if you get a discrete card. Why pass on superior CPU performance on account of GPU performance that wouldn't even effect you?

 

[AtenRa]

I think the OP was referring to asymmetric crossfire with the discrete GPU and the A10. If that was the question, and I am sure you are knowledgeable about this too, the 7750 or anything higher will not work in crosssfire with the igpu. I think what, 6670 is the highest level that will work in crossfire with the igpu?

If he was talking about Hybrid CrossFire then yes, the highest Discrete he can pair with the A10-5800K is the HD6670. I thought he was talking if the A10-5800K would have any probs/bottlenecks driving the HD7950.

 

[MightyMalus]

I think the OP was referring to asymmetric crossfire with the discrete GPU and the A10.

I wasn't, my concern was what would happen with the iGPU if I added a more powerful GPU in the mix. Would it shut off? Not use power? Not cause issues? Etc...

I thought he was talking if the A10-5800K would have any probs/bottlenecks driving the HD7950.

Yup, that was it! =)

Intel's graphics performance is irrelevant if you get a discrete card. Why pass on superior CPU performance on account of GPU performance that wouldn't even effect you?

Anything I get right now would be many times more performant than what I currently have. Plus, I am a fan of the underdog.

My biggest problem has been deciding on the socket(and a case -.-''), since it seems that its a bad time to build a PC if one cares about the future and does not want to spend much more.

AM3+ seems that it will not change until after big core SR comes out for it, which would probably be somewhere in 2014~2015.
FM2 has already been rumored to change, in chipset at least. That could mean, Kaveri won't work?

I'm not pushing this build yet. Just some pre-planning.

At the moment, this is what I have on plan:

Motherboard(I live in the tropics, I "need" durability)
ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
$180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...%20motherboard

CPU
AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor
$140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113286

RAM
AMD Performance Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model Radeon RP1866
$55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820103023

PSU(Aiming around for 50%~60% consumption)
CORSAIR AX760 760W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
$180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139042

SSD(Optional)
OCZ Vector Series VTR1-25SAT3-256G 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC
$240 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227916

HDD
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148844

Optical Drive
LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-Ray Burner with SW, 3D Play Back - BH14NS40
$90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136249

Keyboard(Already bought)
Perixx PERIBOARD-716, Wireless Keyboard with Touchpad
$30 http://www.amazon.com/Perixx-PERIBOA...pr_product_top

GPU(HD7750 or maybe less haven't really checked much, a stepping stone for a GCN2 card)


I am missing a Case, there are so many, its a complete pain -.-'' And I need something durable but not huge. I live in a humid place, and it can get pretty hot sometimes.

Suggestions on Build and Case?

 

[The Alias]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BpPT

I had a 7850 power edition instead of the 7770 and hit 1300 core on that thing it was ridiculous and the cpu hit 4.9 after a verrrry modest volt bump also very beautiful

the thing for me is making sure the power delivery is always top notch. the kingwin lzp is the best psu [h] has ever seen, the mobo has a great power design and the 7850 is also beastly in that regard so the power delivery is always extremely stable therefor allowing better overclocks

 

[insertcarehere]

No one mentioned the amd athlon x4 740/750K? Those are essentially A10/A8 without the igpu, and only cost approx $75, sounds like they would be perfect for what the OP wants.

 

[AtenRa]

No one mentioned the amd athlon x4 740/750K? Those are essentially A10/A8 without the igpu, and only cost approx $75, sounds like they would be perfect for what the OP wants.

PS: You can save even more bucks by getting the AMD Athlon II X4 750K Black Edition for FM2 if you can find it. http://geizhals.de/846121

Perhaps he didn't see it.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I wasn't, my concern was what would happen with the iGPU if I added a more powerful GPU in the mix. Would it shut off? Not use power? Not cause issues? Etc...




Yup, that was it! =)



Anything I get right now would be many times more performant than what I currently have. Plus, I am a fan of the underdog.

My biggest problem has been deciding on the socket(and a case -.-''), since it seems that its a bad time to build a PC if one cares about the future and does not want to spend much more.

AM3+ seems that it will not change until after big core SR comes out for it, which would probably be somewhere in 2014~2015.
FM2 has already been rumored to change, in chipset at least. That could mean, Kaveri won't work?

I'm not pushing this build yet. Just some pre-planning.

At the moment, this is what I have on plan:

Motherboard(I live in the tropics, I "need" durability)
ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
$180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...%20motherboard

CPU
AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor
$140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113286

RAM
AMD Performance Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model Radeon RP1866
$55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820103023

PSU(Aiming around for 50%~60% consumption)
CORSAIR AX760 760W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
$180 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139042

SSD(Optional)
OCZ Vector Series VTR1-25SAT3-256G 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC
$240 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227916

HDD
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148844

Optical Drive
LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-Ray Burner with SW, 3D Play Back - BH14NS40
$90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136249

Keyboard(Already bought)
Perixx PERIBOARD-716, Wireless Keyboard with Touchpad
$30 http://www.amazon.com/Perixx-PERIBOA...pr_product_top

GPU(HD7750 or maybe less haven't really checked much, a stepping stone for a GCN2 card)


I am missing a Case, there are so many, its a complete pain -.-'' And I need something durable but not huge. I live in a humid place, and it can get pretty hot sometimes.

Suggestions on Build and Case?

If you are determined to go with AMD it is a decent system. PSU seems overpowered though. Philosophically, I dont know why you are so concerned about upgrading. It seems to me that right now is a great time to buy or build a system, and the rate of increase in performance, especially for CPUs is really slowing down or at least being diverted to low power mobile processors and igp performance. I also dont understand why you would buy a 7750 now and buy another card when the next gen AMD cards come out. Would seem to save a lot of money to just buy a higher end card now and be done with it. There are plenty of cards on the market that would pretty much use the FX 6300 to its max, maybe HD7950 or anything in that class or higher.

 

[SPBHM]

well, looking at the combination of components, you are clearly not going for the best performance/price,

I wouldn't recommend a $180 MB for a $140 CPU,
you know, with this money you can get a 3570K + z77 MB from asrock or MSI.

the PSU makes even less sense...

 

[shady28]

Simple question, yet not sure what to expect.

I want to build a PC in awhile and I'm looking for something "good enough" but upgradable.

Considering that there is no FM2+(Bolton D4 Motherboards out yet), and building an APU system in the hopes of Kaveri, seems unlikely atm. I was wondering if an AM3+ system would fair better. Even tho, it ends up slightly more expensive. But, at least I can upgrade the GPU more often or be more up-to-date with them. For example, the "big core" APU's don't even use GCN yet, and we about to get the next GCN. That does bother me.

So, how does a FX-6300 with a HD7750 compare for gaming to an A10-5800K?
Anyone got something like that around?

That setup would be quite a bit better than an A10-5800K for both gaming and general computing.

The A10 is really only good for 720p gaming. It just doesn't have the memory bandwidth or GPU grunt to do much more.

On your builds - do you live near a microcenter? If so, you can get an FX-8320 + motherboard for ~$195.

Everything I've read on the Vishera FX processors has been good, they're very competitive within their price point. i.e., the FX-6300 usually comes out ahead vs the Core i3's that its price point has it competing against. A core i5 as some suggest has a price point that puts it in competition with the FX-8320 and FX-8350.

I would suggest getting a Radeon 7770 vs the 7750. The 7770 can be had in single slot designs, and proves to be quite a bit faster than a 7750. In fact, I'd say the 7770 is really in the 'sweet spot' for a competent, if not high-end, gaming build.

ie :

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7770/8.html

 

[Hubb1e]

PSU is too much by a big margin

Motherboard is too much

RAM is a bit expensive

 

[inf64]

Yeah the board looks pretty pricey,you could save a bit there.