How do you think the new ATi card is gonna stack up??

digim0rtal

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Well any thoughts on what this new ATi card (9700) is gonna do to my GF4 Ti4600? :D

Since my 3dfx days, I've owned a Radeon, GF2 Ultra, GF3 Ti500, Radeon 8500, and now a GF4 Ti4600. Regardless of what people say i have been MUCH more satisfied with my ATi cards. Perhaps it's because I wait for the driver to mature to buy, or maybe I'm just lucky. Regardless I can't wait for ATi's new offering. I hope they get this one right from the start to show what this thing can do!
 

lifeguard1999

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Well, right now and for the next few weeks your 4600 is faster than the R9700. :) After all, the R9700 is not available (and won't be until Aug/Sept) and the 4600 is available.

Oh, and I plan to get the R9700 ... provided its performance is there.
 

BFG10K

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I think even the initial release will be faster than the Ti4600 and new driver updates will increase the lead.
 

cmdrdredd

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Yeah yeah...faster this and faster that, but what game will you play with that new video card that you can't play now? haha don't say Doom3 because by that time the new Radeon will be a piece of junk for $100.
 

daywalker

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All i know is that these damn new cards are supposed to be released today and there is NOTHING in ATI's website, NOTHING or Anandtech or Tomshardware... WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY?????
 

DeepBlueJH

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Originally posted by: daywalker
All i know is that these damn new cards are supposed to be released today and there is NOTHING in ATI's website, NOTHING or Anandtech or Tomshardware... WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY?????
I'm wondering the very same thing

 

Killrose

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Why the hell 6pm London time? What's the reasoning behind that? The Inquirer is wrong again, as they said the anouncement was going to be on the 17th, now, umm..the 17th, 6pm London time. Yea, that's it, that's the ticket.

And the R300 handily beats the Ti4600 no problem. Especially at high res, AA, Ansio, ect. The RV250 though is just a refreash of the RV200 (7500) so won't be anything special till it gets a mobile/Laptop version.
 

DeepBlueJH

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Originally posted by: Killrose
Why the hell 6pm London time? What's the reasoning behind that? The Inquirer is wrong again, as they said the anouncement was going to be on the 17th, now, umm..the 17th, 6pm London time. Yea, that's it, that's the ticket.

And the R300 handily beats the Ti4600 no problem. Especially at high res, AA, Ansio, ect. The RV250 though is just a refreash of the RV200 (7500) so won't be anything special till it gets a mobile/Laptop version.
I thought the R200 core was the 8500 GPU

 

rockandroll

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Everybody keeps talking about Doom III and the new ATI cards. John Carmack himself said TruForm won't be a option in Doom III, it won't work. So one of ATI's nifty features is already in the toilet. Also, by the time Doom III comes the new ATI card will be almost a year old and Nvidia will have their new cards out. I bought a Ti4200 128 meg card two weeks ago, it overclocks like an animal and it was $179, I love it. I've had ATI cards and Nvidia cards and Nvidia has always treated me better. I don't like waiting six months for anything to mature, I like it to perform great with the drivers out of the box on the first day. ATI doesn't seem to be able to do that with anything, not even my $39 ATI TV Wonder VE card.
 

Cydewayz

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How about we compare the nextgen ati cards to the nextgen NVIDIA cards. of course the ati card will best the seven month old ti4600. Where talking about the VGA industry here.
 

mangled

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Until ATI puts out good solid drivers, and continues to update them as frequently as Nvidia, I'm staying away from ATI cards. I've had two in the past and hated them.
 

SickBeast

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my guess would be that it will be 50% faster than the gf4ti4600 if the chip is running at 315mhz. if it's 350mhz like some have speculated, then i think it will be more like 65% faster. personally i'm saving up for the r400 that *apparently* will be coming out early next year. it's going to run 400-450mhz on 0.13 microns and will have more features than r300.

--original
 

Robor

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I had an ATI Radeon64 a while back. Paid nearly $300 for it and it was nothing but a headache. I spend more time over at the Rage3D forums looking for fixes and workarounds than I'd like to admit. Not only that, the dasmed thing had a problem with Sony Trinitron monitors (I have one) that took several months to fix.

No offense to the ATI fans but to me ATI is like that star athlete that has all this ability and potential but can't quite put it all together. I'm on my 2nd GeForce card and I'm very happy with the speed, image quality, and stability of them. I'm sticking with Nvidia until they fail me.
 

AnAndAustin

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For me the biggest thing ATI need to address is their stupid pricing. Outside the US & Canada the Rad7500 is often more expensive than GF3TI200, the Rad8500LE is more expensive than the GF4TI4200, now where's the logic in that, most of these GF4TI cards have been out for 5 months!
 

MSNY

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Saw on another forum that Best Buy in GA already has shelf space set aside with stickers printed pricing
the 9700 at $299. If true it looks like the release is iminant and net "weeks away" . Also, we all know
that the unternet prices will be much lower. If true, and the benches truly beat the GF4 then we have
a true GF killer.

One thing to keep in mind is that when this happens expect good deals to start apperaring accross the
GF4 lines withouta doubt.

I luv competition, cause we the consumer WIN !
 

lifeguard1999

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mangled, obviously you have not followed the driver releases for the 8500. They have been very good. Now for the Radeon, they were nearly nnexistent. I had an ATI XPert98 (horrible), an ATI Radeon (o.k.), and an ATI Radeon 8500 (good).

As for the release date, it is the 17th in London (at some gala or other), and 18th for the rest of the world.
 

BFG10K

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Yeah yeah...faster this and faster that, but what game will you play with that new video card that you can't play now?
Any modern game (eg RTCW, MOHAA, JK2 etc) at 1600 x 1200 or higher combined with 64 tap anisotropic filtering.
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
Yeah yeah...faster this and faster that, but what game will you play with that new video card that you can't play now?
Any modern game (eg RTCW, MOHAA, JK2 etc) at 1600 x 1200 or higher combined with 64 tap anisotropic filtering.
That's exactly why I really want a next generation card. Once you have seen 64-tap in action, it is hard to accept less.
 

cmdrdredd

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I run MOHAA and RTCW with ansiotropic filtering maxed. And remember ATI's cheat around the ansio? in Serioussam some textures were omitted from any ansio.

I don't see why you need a new card. a GF4 Ti4600 is PERFECT for any game right now. Even Ut2003.
 

sxr7171

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GTA3 crawls (7-11 fps) at 1024x1280 with 64 tap Anisotropic filtering on a GeForce 4 4400 overclocked to 305/650 and it will crawl on a GeForce 4600 as well. Playing on the Radeon 8500 looks absolutely terrible without enabling their "Smoothvision" with the Omega drivers (I didn't play with the Aniso settings since the drivers supposedly enable a higher quality level of Aniso than than possible using the ATI tool). The 8500 runs a pretty decent 30 fps without FSAA but suffers from annoying slow-downs when I enable 2x FSAA.

For some reason the GeForce 4 at 1280x1024 with no FSAA and only 16-tap aniso looks a lot better than the Radeon 8500 without FSAA and whatever maximum Aniso that Omega drivers enable.

The point of the above ramble is that we need faster cards.
 

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