Originally posted by: Madwand1
Originally posted by: daishi5
if anyone is familiar with Thomas Kuhn, and could provide me with more information, either in support of my view, or to prove that I am off my rocker I would appreciate it.
What Kuhn was discussing was not actually science, but a philosophy of science. In this view, the broader domain is philosophy, and it's quite appropriate for that philosophy to go beyond the constraints of a scientific domain.
It seems to me that you should try to actually think about your teacher's position instead of taking a narrow historical focus which misses the point altogether and does more to end thought than to encourage it.
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
He's learning on his own! GET HIM!
Originally posted by: daishi5
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
He's learning on his own! GET HIM!
Maybe, madwand could be right, and I could be completely off my rocker here.
Originally posted by: Savij
Originally posted by: daishi5
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
He's learning on his own! GET HIM!
Maybe, madwand could be right, and I could be completely off my rocker here.
So talk to him before or after class. Instead of saying "I'm right and you're wrong" you can say, "I read this other thing and it says this blah blah blah at first it sound like they were saying the oposite, but someone pointed out that instead of talking about science he was talking about the philosophy of science blah blah blah"
If you say right/wrong then he'll hate you. If you go with the second option then he'll love you for being interested and persuing this outside of the minimum required reading.
Originally posted by: daishi5
think the important thing here is that he is discussing how science has evolved, and that science is based on a shared "paradigm" or "rational matrix" that all members of a scientific community must agree on in order to advance science in the normal fashion through "puzzle solving." And that a paradigm shift, which is the focus of his lecture, is a shift in that overall agreement on how the world is viewed by scientists and changes how they view the world. I have been reviewing this material for 3 days now before coming to the conclusion that I believe he is wrong. However, I also recognize that my conclusion is based on incomplete information. The problem is that I can only make my decision based on the information that is provided, and everything that I have found is very specific that his theory relates to how science advances, and I can find no supporting literature for the idea that his theory expands beyond that scope.
Originally posted by: Madwand1
Originally posted by: daishi5
think the important thing here is that he is discussing how science has evolved, and that science is based on a shared "paradigm" or "rational matrix" that all members of a scientific community must agree on in order to advance science in the normal fashion through "puzzle solving." And that a paradigm shift, which is the focus of his lecture, is a shift in that overall agreement on how the world is viewed by scientists and changes how they view the world. I have been reviewing this material for 3 days now before coming to the conclusion that I believe he is wrong. However, I also recognize that my conclusion is based on incomplete information. The problem is that I can only make my decision based on the information that is provided, and everything that I have found is very specific that his theory relates to how science advances, and I can find no supporting literature for the idea that his theory expands beyond that scope.
Kuhn's theories refer to some facts about thought and behavior, so to speak, and while it's appropriate to discuss Kuhn's theories as Kuhn's theories in some cases, it's also appropriate to discuss his theories in a broader context, in particular with respect to the facts and behavior that those theories hinge upon. To put it another way, if you see the notion of paradigm shift being owned and originated by Kuhn, then your notion that your teacher is wrong might easily apply whenever he says anything which is not attributable to Kuhn. This then amounts to the historical regurgitation of teaching material.
But IMO, to think that way is contrary to the reality that underlies Kuhn's theories and the perspectives of the times we live in. Scientists don't live in a vacuum where they only ever think about science and don't participate in the broader world and its evolution. Similarly, philosophers don't live in a vacuum unaffected by science. There's plenty of literature to back up this point. Whether or not Kuhn did it himself would be a reflection on him, not on the reality which underlies the broader point.
You have choices on your perspective on these topics, and you can choose to adopt the narrower perspective and see the notion of paradigm shift strictly in a Kuhnian manner, but even if you do so, you should recognize that this is a choice which you're making -- one which is not made by others. In this sense, your teacher is neither right nor wrong -- he's simply taken a view which covers an area that Kuhn didn't focus upon. You can take the view that Kuhn's focus contrasted or conflicted with your teacher's view, but that in itself does not make your teacher wrong, because that sort of thinking rests on an assumption that Kuhn was somehow 100% right and therefore any divergence is wrong -- it just doesn't work that way with philosophies in practice, and Kuhn didn't come up with a proof which makes his philosophy that exceptional. The point here however is that if you're going to make a judgment of right or wrong, you're doing that in a specific context, and not as not everyone is limited to that same context, you should try to recognize the difference of the judgment in your context and the context that others are operating in.
Originally posted by: daishi5
maybe you can help give me feedback on my conclusion. Would the shift of higher education from a formal classroom setting to a new delivery method through the internet be a paradigm shift in the form that Kuhn meant when he talked about scientific revolutions?
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
I would like him to show proof of C. Management theories, the move from central decision making to more lower level decision making and the empowering of employees. This is simply not happening.
Originally posted by: grrl
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
I would like him to show proof of C. Management theories, the move from central decision making to more lower level decision making and the empowering of employees. This is simply not happening.
I'd also like him to prove there's been a great shift to online learning.
Originally posted by: OCfreakley
Ever heard the old analogy "feed the boss's parrot"?
If you want to get a good grade in the class, you always need to feed
your instructors parrot, whether said instructor is correct or not.
You can do your own research and form your own opinions, but
there isn't any need to prove the instructor wrong.
You will only be taking unnecessary risks with your grade,
unless you know for sure the instructor will appreciate your pwning them.
Which means more, being right or getting a good grade?
Someone who has gotten everything they have ever wanted and more
out of life gave me this advice once, and it has served me well.
Originally posted by: LemonHead
Originally posted by: Imp
Just call him out. Unless you're afraid of him/her raping your grades.
Right....or raping you.
