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How do you pronounce Sherlock Holmes

  • Sherlock "Homes"

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Brigandier

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Haven't a clue, Americans took the language then looked at bits and arbitrarily decided they didn't like some of it, and made up their own version, different from the original.

Could be, I was thinking the influence immigrants had may also play a part. We had large populations that came here and had to learn the language, and when they did it changed.

Whatever it is, I think it's pretty interesting to look at in the evolution of languages.
 

HAL9000

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Could be, I was thinking the influence immigrants had may also play a part. We had large populations that came here and had to learn the language, and when they did it changed.

Whatever it is, I think it's pretty interesting to look at in the evolution of languages.

Yep that's definitely a contributing factor. Definitely. It is interesting isn't it?
 

Brigandier

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Yep that's definitely a contributing factor. Definitely. It is interesting isn't it?

Quite, I wish I had a grant so I could do loads of research on it. Perhaps, after our revolution, we deliberately tried to sound un-British, and that's where it started.

All in all, I think English is a wonky language, lots of little rules and silent letters. Must be a bitch to learn if you learned a different language first.
 
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Lifer
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Quite, I wish I had a grant so I could do loads of research on it. Perhaps, after our revolution, we deliberately tried to sound un-British, and that's where it started.

All in all, I think Egnlish is a wonky language, lots of little rules and silent letters. Must be a bitch to learn if you learned a different language first.

It is, however if you ask me it's complexity is what gives it it's elegance and poetry.
 

JujuFish

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It's because the word is essentially a word that expresses a multitude of things, mathematics, not a mathematic, studying mathematics not the art of mathematic. Like a Plural you need the s.
It's a word that's singular in construction. There is no "mathematic" from which we would get math as an abbreviation. Plus, maths sounds just plain wrong.

Oh, and "math" came before "maths" by about 6 decades. :p
 

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Lifer
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It's a word that's singular in construction. There is no "mathematic" from which we would get math as an abbreviation. Plus, maths sounds just plain wrong.

Oh, and "math" came before "maths" by about 6 decades. :p

Both the Oxford and the Merriam-Webster dictionaries say the word is plural – hence the s on the end – but also that it is usually used as if it was a singular noun. So, most people would say “mathematics is my best subject” and not “mathematics are my best subject”. The shortened form “maths”, then, makes sense because the word is still a plural noun and so should still have the “s” on the end. On the other hand, it could be argued, “math” makes sense because it seems wrong to remove the letters “ematic” from the middle of the word and leave the final “s”.

There are a number of other plural nouns that are used as if they were singular – for example economics, ethics, politics, gymnastics, measles and dominoes. These words, however, are not habitually shortened, making math/maths rather an unusual word. http://www.dailywritingtips.com/math-or-maths/

This states that there is a case for the word "math" but as the word Mathematics is a plural noun I'm sticking with Maths, and so should you.
 

Demo24

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Haven't a clue, Americans took the language then looked at bits and arbitrarily decided they didn't like some of it, and made up their own version, different from the original.


Lol, actually southern and those 'low end english' forms you like to criticize are more similarly related to the 'English' that existed before William I conquered England in 1066 and changed the official langue of the court to French for the next 300+ years until about the time of Henry V where it was restored. Of course by this time it had been heavily influenced by French, and eventually evolved into what we speak today. So you critizing it is amusing considered your 'proper' form comes from a mis-mash of french and middle english.


So *yawn*, another Hal bashing America thread. Who gives a fuck who speaks what, languages change over time and geography. The simple reality is that ours has changed largely because of a change in the class structure. The 'proper/formal' english that exists in your country (aka, the queens english spoken by official people, etc) has never really existed in this country. Instead it got broken into regional dialects, and eventually yes there 'can' be a change depending on education level, but not always. In old times of the south there was a rather distinct difference between a 'southern' accent(usually spoken by plantation owners/prominent peoples) and the drawl most think of.
 

JujuFish

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This states that there is a case for the word "math" but as the word Mathematics is a plural noun I'm sticking with Maths, and so should you.
As your own quote shows, it is singular in construction.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mathematics
"noun pl but usually singular in construction"

As the word mathematics is usually singular in construction, I'm sticking with math, and so should you. ;)
 

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Lifer
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As your own quote shows, it is singular in construction.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mathematics
"noun pl but usually singular in construction"

As the word mathematics is usually singular in construction, I'm sticking with math, and so should you. ;)

Well whatever you call it in American, if you want to talk in English then use Maths, but aside from that this isn't the thread for that conversation.
 

Rumpltzer

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Got a call yesterday because a friend's kid in Taiwan was asked to enter a speech contest. They had the "English" teacher at school record the speech onto a CD to help the kids practice.

They got to the word, "vitamins," and the teacher pronounces it "vit-ah-mins" instead of "vie-tah-mins". The parent is concerned that they might have a cloaked Brit posing as an American on their hands. Turns out that the teacher is Canadian (not as bad, but still unacceptable). Either way, they don't want to have the next generation speaking an inferior version of Engrish.


Another child saved.
 

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Lifer
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66 posts, and half of them are your responses to the other half.

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Brilliant you can count....! What's your point? Just showing off your maths skills?

Got a call yesterday because a friend's kid in Taiwan was asked to enter a speech contest. They had the "English" teacher at school record the speech onto a CD to help the kids practice.

They got to the word, "vitamins," and the teacher pronounces it "vit-ah-mins" instead of "vie-tah-mins". The parent is concerned that they might have a cloaked Brit posing as an American on their hands. Turns out that the teacher is Canadian (not as bad, but still unacceptable). Either way, they don't want to have the next generation speaking an superior version of English.


Another child lost.

Fixed.
 
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