How do you make a really fast Hard Drive? RAID? SCSI?

venom600

Senior member
May 7, 2001
395
0
0
I was wondering how do you make a really fast HDD

I am no computer expert so you guys have to help me out
This is what i would do, I think.

I would have a SCSI setup in RAID 0
And i'm not sure but is it the more Hard drives you got in the RAID the faster it goes?
Like 4x 15k rpm Drives at RAID 0?

Not sure if i am making any sense.
I basically am wondering how do i make a really really fast drive or combined drives

Please let me know what to do.
 

AntaresVI

Platinum Member
May 10, 2001
2,152
0
0
Originally posted by: venom600
I was wondering how do you make a really fast HDD

I am no computer expert so you guys have to help me out
This is what i would do, I think.

I would have a SCSI setup in RAID 0
And i'm not sure but is it the more Hard drives you got in the RAID the faster it goes?
Like 4x 15k rpm Drives at RAID 0?

Not sure if i am making any sense.
I basically am wondering how do i make a really really fast drive or combined drives

Please let me know what to do.

lol u sound like NFG.
 

mechBgon

Super Moderator<br>Elite Member
Oct 31, 1999
30,699
1
0
First, get enough RAM that your system can cache your applications after initial launch, so it avoids re-launching from the hard drive as much as possible. RAM >> hard drives.

Beyond that, don't get carried away on anything past a two-drive RAID0 because the peak effective throughput of two fast SCSI drives is enough to max out a 32-bit 33MHz PCI bus like your motherboard most likely has (unless you've got a server/workstation board with a 64-bit PCI bus). A couple of Maxtor Atlas 10k IV's or Seagate Cheetah 15k.3's would be good picks as far as the drives go.
 

sharkeeper

Lifer
Jan 13, 2001
10,886
2
0
It's only a matter of how much you want to spend. Give me a blank check and come back in a week and I'm sure you'll be pleased with the results.

Cheers!
 

venom600

Senior member
May 7, 2001
395
0
0
For a really fast Hard Drive setup i would be willing to spend quite a bit.

What would you need to have a great setup like that?

Ultra320 SCSI RAID 0
2 or 4 15k RPM Hard Drives?

would you need anything else?
 

sharkeeper

Lifer
Jan 13, 2001
10,886
2
0
SMP mainboard supporting at least 64/66 PCI.

Dual processors and 2~4 GB of RAM would be a good start.

Cheers!
 

everman

Lifer
Nov 5, 2002
11,288
1
0
First I need to ask: "What do you do with your computer?" If it's just gaming and surfing then you're just throwing your money away.
 

mechBgon

Super Moderator<br>Elite Member
Oct 31, 1999
30,699
1
0
And a RAID card of course :D sharkeeper, do you have any most/least favorite brands?
 

sharkeeper

Lifer
Jan 13, 2001
10,886
2
0
LSi Logic, ICP Vortex are most popular. Chaparral makes some rather avant garde HBA's as well. Stay AWAY from Adaptec. Run do not walk away from a "deal" with one no matter how good it seems. :)

For the disk components, the choice is easy. Seagate Cheetah X15.3. Prefereably SCA drives mounted in a hot swap enclosure.

Cheers!
 

marat

Senior member
Aug 2, 2001
207
0
0
Originally posted by: venom600
I was wondering how do you make a really fast HDD

I am no computer expert so you guys have to help me out
This is what i would do, I think.

I would have a SCSI setup in RAID 0
And i'm not sure but is it the more Hard drives you got in the RAID the faster it goes?
Like 4x 15k rpm Drives at RAID 0?

Not sure if i am making any sense.
I basically am wondering how do i make a really really fast drive or combined drives

Please let me know what to do.

There are reaaaaly fast harddrives made made of memory modules. It's like having 30GB ramdisk :). If you are willing to spend >$15K for it - it will fly...
 

tinyabs

Member
Mar 8, 2003
158
0
0

I saw in Quantum website few years ago that they offer SSD (Solid State Device). It is a bundle of RAM with a battery pack and sounds alot like a persistent RAM disk.

I have a silly idea. Since SDRAM are dirt cheap nowadays, why not make a board with 32 ram slots and you can fill it with rams. Pure 133Mb per sec and upgrade at will. 32x256mb=8Gb. Perhaps in the not-too-distant future, something like this will emerge with some technology like protein or crystal memory.
 

Idontcare

Elite Member
Oct 10, 1999
21,110
59
91
Originally posted by: tinyabs
I saw in Quantum website few years ago that they offer SSD (Solid State Device). It is a bundle of RAM with a battery pack and sounds alot like a persistent RAM disk.

I have a silly idea. Since SDRAM are dirt cheap nowadays, why not make a board with 32 ram slots and you can fill it with rams. Pure 133Mb per sec and upgrade at will. 32x256mb=8Gb. Perhaps in the not-too-distant future, something like this will emerge with some technology like protein or crystal memory.

Often wondered why we don't see more of these kinds of devices being built, even for the enthusiast market.

From Crucial.com PC2700: 512MB PC2700 x 10 = 5GB of ram-drive for $760 (+S/H).

Throw in a Chipset (custom design, $50 each for small volume) to negotiate logic of data requests and you've got yourself a nice (and small) uber fast data peddler.

Scale to generate your product family in 1GB increments ($150 for $1GB ramdisk that works RIGHT in WinXX, I'll buy one). This is your "IDE" family, cheap technology but lower performance limited by 32bit/33MHz PCI. Also, as a business, you would artificially limit the bandwidth of your PC2700 chips at 133MB/sec to gain market segmentation and to keep businesses from buying the cheaper devices and "overclocking".

For your top 1% enthusiast market and server/workstation arena (i.e. 66MHz/64bit crowd) offer the same hardware with "special bios" and call it your Enterprise edition. Let'er rip along at full PC2700, which the bus will limit to 533MB/sec. Not bad performance, charge a 1x premium for giving your customers advanced technology and 4x speed.

Gain rapid market penetration with help of excess media generated when you license bus technology to SiS, Via, etc. so that they can tap your "proprietary" ram-disk controller directly into north-bridge for full ram-disk speeds (taken down a notch or two for stability).

Ah, what is that I see in the sky? Why it looks like a pie...someday tinyabs, someday...
 

WyteWatt

Banned
Jun 8, 2001
6,255
0
0
Originally posted by: everman
First I need to ask: "What do you do with your computer?" If it's just gaming and surfing then you're just throwing your money away.



everman why will you be throwing your money away if you will game, do heavy mult. tasking, download 5 + files at once, etc ? Wouldn't it be good to have sense you wouldn't have to upgrade most of the parts for a long time? Plus be insanely fast for anything just about?
 

arcenite

Lifer
Dec 9, 2001
10,660
7
81
Fastest HDD would be solid state ^^

Second fastest HDD would be getting millions of SCSI drives and thousands of RAID controllers with petas of memory and a few hundred p4 3.06's and you'd be home free ^^


Bill

edit: spelling
 

arcenite

Lifer
Dec 9, 2001
10,660
7
81
Oh yeah, BTW.. how do I build my own Video Card...? What kind of parts from radio shack will I need? It must be AGP 8x with 256mb and 2x faster than the 9800pro!!

Bill
 

thermite88

Golden Member
Oct 15, 1999
1,555
0
0
venom600

Maximum PC

You can find the answer in the March issue of the Maximum PC magazine, the SPEED issue. A pair of 15K SCSI setup in RAID is quite a bit faster than ATA in many benchmarks. However, if you are not running a sever with heavy traffic, the advantage in real world performance is minimal.

I tried ATA RAID with the Adaptec 1200A card and found the result not worth the effort. On my main computer, I run RAID 0 (Megaraid Express 500 card) with a pair of 10K, Ultra160, 18GB drives. It is very responsive and have good benchmarks. But not much a different from the Adaptec 29160 setup in normal daily routine.

It is fun to configure and setup the SCSI RAID, particularly you can get 10K, Ultra160, 18G drives for well under a $100. Go for it for fun, not for performance.