I'm sure there are a lot of fine DO's. But it's still incorrect to say that MD programs aren't more selective than DO ones.
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"Alternative" doctors are pill-pushers as well...theirs just aren't controlled, studied or tested in any scientific way. A lot of them have their own "name-brand" supplements and treatments that they make a fortune off of. Conversely, the "doctors who are sold-out to the drug companies" make nothing from prescribing medications. Because of the advances in modern medicine the average life-span of an American has increased by 20 years over the last half century. If that's not good enough for you then pay someone a lot for a bunch of their brand-name vitamins (that contain 0.0001% of the substance advertised on the label) or move to China.
You're saying that doctors don't get bennies from drug companies?
I find that very hard to believe.
Can you explain why the AHA puts its "Heart-Check" seal of approval on high sugar, empty calorie foods like Count Chocula and Froot Loops?
Can you explain the push towards margarine when its loaded with trans-fat?
Can you explain the prohibition on eggs when they are a great source of protein and other nutrients and actually raise HDL?
Why is diabetes and obesity sky rocketing?
Is it because of the medical communites obsession with reducing fat at all cost?
Yeah, we're living longer but the quality of life for a lot of people sucks.
Heart disease and child obesity were practically unheard of 75 years ago.
You're saying that doctors don't get bennies from drug companies?
a lot of doctors don't.
Can you explain why the AHA puts its "Heart-Check" seal of approval on high sugar, empty calorie foods like Count Chocula and Froot Loops?
it's likely they approve it as part of a balanced diet.
Can you explain the push towards margarine when its loaded with trans-fat?
who's pushing towards margarine? the last i heard people were being told to use this (and butter) sparingly. but fat makes food taste good so who's going to listen?
Can you explain the prohibition on eggs when they are a great source of protein and other nutrients and actually raise HDL?
do you have any studies on that? dietary cholesterol actually lowers ldl only if saturated fat intake stays the same or is reduced.
Why is diabetes and obesity sky rocketing?
because people overeat!
Is it because of the medical communites obsession with reducing fat at all cost?
see above
Yeah, we're living longer but the quality of life for a lot of people sucks.
it's also good for a lot of people. what's your point?
Heart disease and child obesity were practically unheard of 75 years ago.
that's because people weren't eating as much back then. it was also during the depression.
a lot of doctors don't.
Can you explain why the AHA puts its "Heart-Check" seal of approval on high sugar, empty calorie foods like Count Chocula and Froot Loops?
it's likely they approve it as part of a balanced diet.
Can you explain the push towards margarine when its loaded with trans-fat?
who's pushing towards margarine? the last i heard people were being told to use this (and butter) sparingly. but fat makes food taste good so who's going to listen?
Can you explain the prohibition on eggs when they are a great source of protein and other nutrients and actually raise HDL?
do you have any studies on that? dietary cholesterol actually lowers ldl only if saturated fat intake stays the same or is reduced.
Why is diabetes and obesity sky rocketing?
because people overeat!
Is it because of the medical communites obsession with reducing fat at all cost?
see above
Yeah, we're living longer but the quality of life for a lot of people sucks.
it's also good for a lot of people. what's your point?
Heart disease and child obesity were practically unheard of 75 years ago.
that's because people weren't eating as much back then. it was also during the depression.
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Or, you could talk to somebody who has had 3+ years of schooling on drugs and talk to your local pharmacist. Tell them that you don't think your current perscription is working well, explain to them what is/isn't happening, and see if they have any suggestions.
it's difficult to find doctors that will suggest those kind of remedies because the vast majority of it is bunk, and they know it. the companies making herbal remedies have no interest in publicizing studies on their products because they know they just don't do what they're advertised to do, and if legitimate drug companies (ie pfizer, merck, etc) performed these studies, the herbal companies would blast them as being a part of the "stiff, narrow minded, self serving" school, and faking the results in some way. which is what the people taking the bogus stuff want to believe anyway, and everyone knows it.
which gets to the root of the problem: there are a growing significant number of people like you, riprorin, who have the opinion that the established medical community isn't interested in curing you, but only in making money off you. sadly, there's little that can be said to change your mind, because it's your personal belief that isn't founded on anything but vague "feelings."
the only advice i can offer to you is to try whatever you want, but be careful, because whereas this stuff isn't the next penicillin, it's far from being as benign as sugar pills. by themselves, they're usually harmless, but when some of them are combined, they can have varying levels of toxicity. ask your "sold-out" doctor if the combination of whatever it is you're taking will make you sick(er), they will usually have no problem telling you the truth.
out of curiousity, i've spoken with my doctor about alternative medicines. he actually encourages patients to try them because it surprises the hell out of the patients. but for the ones that come in to see him complaining of a bellyache when they're taking half a dozen different supplements a day, he only prescribes to take nothing at all for a couple of weeks, which usually does the job remarkably well.
which gets to the root of the problem: there are a growing significant number of people like you, riprorin, who have the opinion that the established medical community isn't interested in curing you, but only in making money off you. sadly, there's little that can be said to change your mind, because it's your personal belief that isn't founded on anything but vague "feelings."
the only advice i can offer to you is to try whatever you want, but be careful, because whereas this stuff isn't the next penicillin, it's far from being as benign as sugar pills. by themselves, they're usually harmless, but when some of them are combined, they can have varying levels of toxicity. ask your "sold-out" doctor if the combination of whatever it is you're taking will make you sick(er), they will usually have no problem telling you the truth.
out of curiousity, i've spoken with my doctor about alternative medicines. he actually encourages patients to try them because it surprises the hell out of the patients. but for the ones that come in to see him complaining of a bellyache when they're taking half a dozen different supplements a day, he only prescribes to take nothing at all for a couple of weeks, which usually does the job remarkably well.
What do most doctors see 25 - 30 patients a day? It's like an assembly line.
It's a lot easier to write a prescription then to figure out what the root cuase of the problem is.
My main point is do your own research and don't treat doctors as gods especially when it come to diet and nutrition.
By the way, doctors in France routinely prescribe homeopathic medicines. I'm sure that's true of other advanced countries too.
It's a lot easier to write a prescription then to figure out what the root cuase of the problem is.
My main point is do your own research and don't treat doctors as gods especially when it come to diet and nutrition.
By the way, doctors in France routinely prescribe homeopathic medicines. I'm sure that's true of other advanced countries too.
The health of people in certain Asian countries has absolutely nothing to do with their medical systems or medical philosophies. Like going to an Asian practitioner so he can smell your urine then prescribe rhino penis for you is really contributing to anyone's health. 
Its their diet and lifestyle, largely. Enjoy a subsistence level diet and work your fingers to the bone all day doing real physical work like they do and I guarantee you'll have no diabetes or heart disease, either.
The only way physicians can 'treat' many of the underlying causes of disease is to follow people around and smack the fried chicken out of their hand as they bring it to their mouths or come into our homes and nag us to death to get our fat asses off the couch and stop watching TV.
Our diabetes and heart disease is 99.9% lifestyle and diet related, with the exception of genetic predispositions.
Its their diet and lifestyle, largely. Enjoy a subsistence level diet and work your fingers to the bone all day doing real physical work like they do and I guarantee you'll have no diabetes or heart disease, either.
The only way physicians can 'treat' many of the underlying causes of disease is to follow people around and smack the fried chicken out of their hand as they bring it to their mouths or come into our homes and nag us to death to get our fat asses off the couch and stop watching TV.
Our diabetes and heart disease is 99.9% lifestyle and diet related, with the exception of genetic predispositions.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
The health of people in certain Asian countries has absolutely nothing to do with their medical systems or medical philosophies. Like going to an Asian practitioner so he can smell your urine then prescribe rhino penis for you is really contributing to anyone's health.
Its their diet and lifestyle, largely. Enjoy a subsistence level diet and work your fingers to the bone all day doing real physical work like they do and I guarantee you'll have no diabetes or heart disease, either.
The only way physicians can 'treat' many of the underlying causes of disease is to follow people around and smack the fried chicken out of their hand as they bring it to their mouths or come into our homes and nag us to death to get our fat asses off the couch and stop watching TV.
Our diabetes and heart disease is 99.9% lifestyle and diet related, with the exception of genetic predispositions.
not exactly,
since the AHA decided that FAT was the enemy, we did change our diets. Fat consumption HAS been reduced and unfortunately meant and increase in Carb consumption.
Ironically during the same period of time, Heart diseases WENT up. because Fat isn't the enemy, Carbs are.
yes, it is also lifestyle related.
I think that they can do more than just mouth platitudes like eat a balanced diet and reduce fat and red meat.
From my experience that's generally the advice you get and frankly, it's pretty useless.
From my experience that's generally the advice you get and frankly, it's pretty useless.
The health of people in certain Asian countries has absolutely nothing to do with their medical systems or medical philosophies. Like going to an Asian practitioner so he can smell your urine then prescribe rhino penis for you is really contributing to anyone's health.
Its their diet and lifestyle, largely. Enjoy a subsistence level diet and work your fingers to the bone all day doing real physical work like they do and I guarantee you'll have no diabetes or heart disease, either.
The only way physicians can 'treat' many of the underlying causes of disease is to follow people around and smack the fried chicken out of their hand as they bring it to their mouths or come into our homes and nag us to death to get our fat asses off the couch and stop watching TV.
that's so true. i see so many overweight people who don't want to give up their foods and don't make the effort to exercise. and then a lot of them smoke and drink...
Its their diet and lifestyle, largely. Enjoy a subsistence level diet and work your fingers to the bone all day doing real physical work like they do and I guarantee you'll have no diabetes or heart disease, either.
The only way physicians can 'treat' many of the underlying causes of disease is to follow people around and smack the fried chicken out of their hand as they bring it to their mouths or come into our homes and nag us to death to get our fat asses off the couch and stop watching TV.
that's so true. i see so many overweight people who don't want to give up their foods and don't make the effort to exercise. and then a lot of them smoke and drink...
I have no idea what a DO is, but from some of the posts, I'm getting the impression that its a dentist. is that correct?
Well, in other news, my mom likes alternative medicine and she goes to Thai, Vietnamese or Chinese doctors to get advice on those. American Doctors don't know anything about it.
My aunt had some disease one time where her skin turned all yellow. The doctor said she was going to die within 6 months. Scared the shtt out of her. They said there was nothing they could do about it because one of her organs was not functioning properly (forgot which one, maybe pancrease). Well she went to this chinese doctor who took one look at her, sold her some herbal remedy. Two weeks later, she was back to normal. She loved him like a father after that. He died 6 months later and she was soooo sad about it, told us all she felt like she'd lost her savior.
Well, in other news, my mom likes alternative medicine and she goes to Thai, Vietnamese or Chinese doctors to get advice on those. American Doctors don't know anything about it.
My aunt had some disease one time where her skin turned all yellow. The doctor said she was going to die within 6 months. Scared the shtt out of her. They said there was nothing they could do about it because one of her organs was not functioning properly (forgot which one, maybe pancrease). Well she went to this chinese doctor who took one look at her, sold her some herbal remedy. Two weeks later, she was back to normal. She loved him like a father after that. He died 6 months later and she was soooo sad about it, told us all she felt like she'd lost her savior.
Carbs (mainly from sugars) are certainly a prime underlying contributor to our increasing waist lines and rates of diabetes, but it has little to do with our cardiovascular disease rates even among people who are only slightly overweight or not overweight at all.
That is from our intake of fats and lack of physical activity, primarily from our lack of daily arduous physical activity. Only in cultures where their daily lives involve a fair amount of arduous physical activity do you find high fat consumption without a commensurate increase in cardiovascular disease.
Take away the daily physical activity, then yes fat becomes the only other way to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease (besides not smoking, of course).
What makes advice 'useless' isn't people's likelihood of following it.
Good advice that nobody chooses to follow is still good advice.
Cut carbs and your triglycerides will go down. HDL is likely to go up too.
My triglycerides went from 216 to 78 and my HDL went from 46 to 85 in about 6 weeks.
I started excecising too, but I think that the benefits from excercise lag more than diet, so I'm assuming that the improvement in my blood work is mostly diet related.
I disagree with your statement that there's no connection between carb consumption and cardiovascular health. It also makes me wonder why the AHA is endorsing high sugar junk food.
My triglycerides went from 216 to 78 and my HDL went from 46 to 85 in about 6 weeks.
I started excecising too, but I think that the benefits from excercise lag more than diet, so I'm assuming that the improvement in my blood work is mostly diet related.
I disagree with your statement that there's no connection between carb consumption and cardiovascular health. It also makes me wonder why the AHA is endorsing high sugar junk food.
Just my opinion but...Pharmaceuticals = more $$$ for the health care industry. Vitamin/Nutrient supplements = less $$$ for the health care industry.
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The problem with the word "CARBS" is that it's a VERY broad span of food types.
A lump of sugar is a carb.
A glass of milk is considered carbs.
A slice of white bread is carbs.
Potato chips are carbs.
Orange juice is largely carbs.
Pop is carbs.
Whole wheat bread is carbs.
Pasta is carbs.
Carbs ARE NOT BAD! And anything, not done in moderation is bad as well.
Bad carbs are bad. Bad carbs being unrefined and simple carbs like candy, junk food, pop's, sweetened juicies, ect.
Replacing white breads with whole wheat, switching to diet sodas, and cutting out junk food does wonders to cut the flab.
A lump of sugar is a carb.
A glass of milk is considered carbs.
A slice of white bread is carbs.
Potato chips are carbs.
Orange juice is largely carbs.
Pop is carbs.
Whole wheat bread is carbs.
Pasta is carbs.
Carbs ARE NOT BAD! And anything, not done in moderation is bad as well.
Bad carbs are bad. Bad carbs being unrefined and simple carbs like candy, junk food, pop's, sweetened juicies, ect.
Replacing white breads with whole wheat, switching to diet sodas, and cutting out junk food does wonders to cut the flab.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
lets see, "modern medicine" has evolved over at least 2500 years.
life expectacy and infant mortalilty are the lowest they've ever been in the
recorded history of man, illnesses that would have routinely killed, maimed, or limited the
pleasure of life, have been cured or controlled. but your not satisfied....
"complementary and alternative" medicine...what's that?
let's take one small example...heart disease and heart attacks.
with diet, exercise, and a "holistic" approach, the average reduction in a persons "bad cholesterol", and their ability to reduce the risk of heart attack is limited, average is 10% reduction.
if you take a cholestrol lowering medication like lipitor, your reduce the cholesterol and risk of heart attack by at least 35%.
take your pick..personally, i'm for the medications.
medications are your friend..not your enemy.
if you don't understand how powerful and useful your medications are, you need a different doctor who can educate you appropriately.
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