How do you explain the occurrence of genius?

CoolTech

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Originally posted by: YHVH
I honestly don't think anyone you mentioned was really a genius.


then who is? I mean beethoven composed all those symphonies when he was a child and he was deaf, so how?
 

YHVH

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Originally posted by: CoolTech
Originally posted by: YHVH
I honestly don't think anyone you mentioned was really a genius.


then who is? I mean beethoven composed all those symphonies when he was a child and he was deaf, so how?
Gifted? Yes. And he was a composer before he went deaf.

 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: PaidLess
i think the 13yr old kids that are in college =D

I wouldn't be so quick to call them geniuses. Speaking from experience at a 'top' university (UCSD), a lot of lower division classes in college are pretty basic.
 

mdchesne

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genious is anyone naturally gifted with the talents a "normal" person needs to take years to learn. Such as:
a child who can pick up and learn abstract math while his age-group is strudying the mutliplication tables
a person who can develope theories of life and physics on their own (see story below)
a person who can learn from any medium, by any method, and at any speed
... list continues

(story time)
When I was 12, I was doodling in my notebook one day and "invented" a perpetual motion machine using a generator and charge-altering cylindrical electromagnets. This was just after we were learning about normal magnets in school and I was able to design a working electric motor without even seeing one in real life! brushes and everything. I figured out that minus friction, this thing would be able to run forever using generated vs. used power statements. I was pumped and ready to patent until my dad told me they beat me to it lol
(another story)
since freshman of high school, i've been tossing around an idea where a black hole is composed of energy, not mass. if it weren't for my undiagnosed ADD and newbness in quantum physics equations, i'd be somewhat done by now :p
 

YHVH

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hhhmmmm....forgot the thread asked how smart you were and if you could prove it through anecdotes.

Let me start my list...........
 

DAGTA

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Originally posted by: YHVH
I honestly don't think anyone you mentioned was really a genius.

So you could produce the equivalent of newton's, beethoven's, einstein's or da vinci's work?
 

Shawn

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usually their high intelligence is focused on one specific area and everywhere else it's lacking.
 

mdchesne

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I think talent signifies a genious, rather than IQ. Beetoven certainly wans't nuclear physisist-smart like Einstein, or astronomically smart like Hawkins, but his piano talent certainly was genious material. (was he the deaf one or mozart?)
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: PaidLess
i think the 13yr old kids that are in college =D

ah yes.. more people thinks booksmarts = genius.. :roll:

The geniuses are the guys who fail school, because they are so smart, they can't conform with society - like Einstein and Edison.
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: mdchesne
genious is anyone naturally gifted with the talents a "normal" person needs to take years to learn. Such as:
a child who can pick up and learn abstract math while his age-group is strudying the mutliplication tables
a person who can develope theories of life and physics on their own (see story below)
a person who can learn from any medium, by any method, and at any speed
... list continues

(story time)
When I was 12, I was doodling in my notebook one day and "invented" a perpetual motion machine using a generator and charge-altering cylindrical electromagnets. This was just after we were learning about normal magnets in school and I was able to design a working electric motor without even seeing one in real life! brushes and everything. I figured out that minus friction, this thing would be able to run forever using generated vs. used power statements. I was pumped and ready to patent until my dad told me they beat me to it lol
(another story)
since freshman of high school, i've been tossing around an idea where a black hole is composed of energy, not mass. if it weren't for my undiagnosed ADD and newbness in quantum physics equations, i'd be somewhat done by now :p

Yeah ADD kids are usually geniuses ;)
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: mdchesne
I think talent signifies a genious, rather than IQ. Beetoven certainly wans't nuclear physisist-smart like Einstein, or astronomically smart like Hawkins, but his piano talent certainly was genious material. (was he the deaf one or mozart?)

Exactly. I actually studied intelligence in psychology. There are many different types of intelligence. Western society seems to be too focused with the math and verbal part of it :roll:. Beethoven's ability to come up with all of these magnificent pieces IS the work of a genius.

Conversely, someone who is able to memorize everything on the test, and get their homework done all the time has NOTHING to do with intelligence.
 

YHVH

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: YHVH
I honestly don't think anyone you mentioned was really a genius.

So you could produce the equivalent of newton's, beethoven's, einstein's or da vinci's work?

Beethoven/ Da Vinci? No. I don't consider them genius either. Newton or Eistein? Possibly.


 

YHVH

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: mdchesne
I think talent signifies a genious, rather than IQ. Beetoven certainly wans't nuclear physisist-smart like Einstein, or astronomically smart like Hawkins, but his piano talent certainly was genious material. (was he the deaf one or mozart?)

Exactly. I actually studied intelligence in psychology. There are many different types of intelligence. Western society seems to be too focused with the math and verbal part of it :roll:. Beethoven's ability to come up with all of these magnificent pieces IS the work of a genius.

You consider them magnifecent. I don't. He was simply better than his peers. Is your favorite musician a genius?
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: YHVH
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: YHVH
I honestly don't think anyone you mentioned was really a genius.

How about Bobby Fischer or Friedrich Gauss?
closer to the idea of "genius"

So what is a genius? I think you just got too worked up with western society's notion that math and verbal skills = genius.
Go study more about what intelligence is and you'll find that it's much much deeper than that.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: YHVH
Beethoven/ Da Vinci? No. I don't consider them genius either. Newton or Eistein? Possibly.
What are your criteria to be a genius?

 

YHVH

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: YHVH
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: YHVH
I honestly don't think anyone you mentioned was really a genius.

How about Bobby Fischer or Friedrich Gauss?
closer to the idea of "genius"

So what is a genius? I think you just got too worked up with western society's notion that math and verbal skills = genius.
Go study more about what intelligence is and you'll find that it's much much deeper than that.
Wait, so now you are on some higher plane of understanding? You assume to know what I have studied................


What is genius? There isn't such a thing.
 

YHVH

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: YHVH
Beethoven/ Da Vinci? No. I don't consider them genius either. Newton or Eistein? Possibly.
What are your criteria to be a genius?

Look up.

I couldn't possibly be on the level of Beethoven or Da Vinci because I'm simply not artistic. Coming to a scientific/ observational "revelation" is entirely possiblr with my "wiring" though.
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: YHVH
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: YHVH
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: YHVH
I honestly don't think anyone you mentioned was really a genius.

How about Bobby Fischer or Friedrich Gauss?
closer to the idea of "genius"

So what is a genius? I think you just got too worked up with western society's notion that math and verbal skills = genius.
Go study more about what intelligence is and you'll find that it's much much deeper than that.
Wait, so now you are on some higher plane of understanding? You assume to know what I have studied................


What is genius? There isn't such a thing.

Nice job beating around the bush. :roll: