How do you deal with dysfunctional parents?

Scouzer

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Disclaimer: I'm 22. I live on my own. I have a professional career. I'm not whining teenage angst here.

My dad is a troubled man. He's been a barely functioning alcoholic for at least 20 years. He's fortunately not a violent alcoholic so I don't have tales of beatings but he still has more than his fair share of demons.

The company he works for forced him to go to alcohol rehab a few years ago. His alcoholism started really affecting his working life. He takes massive pride in his job and it's pretty much the only thing he's normally reliable at. The rehab really worked... for a time. He spent about 3-4 years barely drinking and doing really well at work again. We were all really excited and that's pretty much the only period I had much for a dad. That's why his behavior now is killing me so bad, I've SEEN him better I know he can do it, but he utterly refuses any help now.

In the last year and a half he met some 23 year old psycho girl (he's 53) and they've been in this bizarre dating thing. I don't know if I'd really call it dating or my dad being completely obsessed with this girl. It's not like stalking or anything, it is consensual, but it's really bizarre. They fight constantly and break up pretty much everyday. He also talks about her 24/7. Their relationship is so immature it's a lot like watching two 14 year olds dating.

This wouldn't be so bad but it's driven him to start drinking hardcore again and completely absolve himself of responsibilities. For example:

1) His basement flooded last year. It was pretty bad so there's mould everywhere in the basement now. I've offered to help him hire contractors etc. but he refuses to do anything about it. He is the type of person if I went ahead and hired contractors and stuff without telling him he's fucking blow a lid... it's not an option. It'd be unholy rage.
2) On the same note, he hasn't cleaned his house at all in pretty much 2 years. His idea of cleaning is running the dishwasher monthly and taking out the garbage when it stinks up his whole house.. nothing else. There's piles and piles of junk everywhere, the bathroom is beyond description, there's cat shit everywhere etc... if a health inspector came I'd bet $100 his house would be condemned. I have cleaned his entire house 4-5 times before which took 10 hours each time, but he's not willing to keep it clean so I don't do that anymore. He's not even willing to hire a maid. I offered to clean his house one more time top to bottom and he could hire a maid it that way--nope.
3) He won't take his anti depressants anymore. He took these reliably for years and he was stable for a time. On the same note we have an 80% drug plan at work and he can't be bothered to file claims to get his prescription drugs refunded. Oh, he doesn't file his taxes either and Revenue Canada is up his ass. He doesn't care. My mom has been divorced from him for 15 years and she was doing his taxes and his drug claims up until 2 years ago. She finally quit this since it's not her job so he won't do them.
4) He hasn't been showing up for work, and I'm pretty sure when he does he isn't doing a very good job This is really bad because I work in the same field as him. His coworkers know me so they're calling me wondering WTF is up... and I don't have anything to tell them. If he keeps this up he's going to get fired despite having 28 years of service. They're all worried about him being dead which he's not.. what do I say to them? My dad is a dysfunctional alcoholic who can't be bothered to write down his own work schedule? No... not so good to say.
5) He isn't paying his bills for his house. I don't know what he hasn't paid.. but I know he hasn't been paying some of them. I can't do anything about it though because he has 5 years worth of mail stacked on his kitchen table. I couldn't sort through them to find the new mail if I tried... there's just hundreds of unopened letters, bills, etc. Oh, and he has a huge peeve about mail. If you want to see my dad rage, touch his mail.
6) He won't answer the phone for anyone anymore. I called him 15 times in a row last night to get a hold of him (I knew he was home). He doesn't give a shit if it's urgent (it was), and he won't fix his voicemail (not that he'd check it if it did work......)
7) The overall problem with him if you haven't figured out is he just doesn't care about anything anymore. He doesn't care about shirking any responsibility but he'll ALWAYS blame it on someone or something else. He's never accepted blame in his life, and he's certainly never apologized, but it's never been this bad.

One point I should make very clear: He has plenty of money to do all of the above things. He's actually got quite a bit of money. He isn't cheap, he just refuses to do ANYTHING that isn't a part of his daily routine.

I could go on and on... I could list all the horrible things he's done in the past.. drinking and driving, losing his driver's license for 3 years because of it, etc etc etc but there's no point. I just really wanted to get this off my chest in a semi anonymous forum... I don't want to tarnish my dad's reputation with anyone that knows him so there's really no one for me to talk to.

The part that gets me to tears about this is when he's functional he's actually a really good dad. I can talk for hours and hours with him and have laughs and everything. He's a really good guy deep down inside but he just can't let that guy out for very long, usually only a couple days a month until he drinks himself into a stupor again. Lately though my "good dad" has been disappearing, even when he's sober he's bitter and disillusioned about everything. If I try to bring up ANYTHING that needs doing he just immediately gets pissed and shuts me up. I really try not no nag but there's some really big stuff that NEEDS to be done yet he will not discuss it.

Today I called him and basically unloaded on him how he's crushing everyone that loves him (he's known this for years and doesn't care, don't know why I bothered) and I will not be contacting him anymore. I told him if he's willing to do anything to get better or needs anything he knows how to contact me but I will not be making the effort to call him 15 times whenever I need him anymore. Every time I think about him or talk to him it utterly depresses me because he lives in such squalor yet there's nothing I can do about it. I don't know what else I can do anymore. I've tried so hard for years and he's just not willing to come around. I'll probably regret this as he'll NEVER call and I'll likely never talk to him again before he dies. Fuck.

UPDATE

I started talking to him again about a month after I posted. He's gotten much worse. He claims his 23 year old girlfriend is pregnant now and he's trying to convince her to keep the baby.

He's asked her to marry him and she's said no. He talks about her almost 24 hours a day--anyone who can speak English gets to hear about it. He talks all day about it at work, then he comes home and calls all sorts of family just to whine and talk about it.

It's stupid too, because it's not like he's actually looking for guidance or advice, he just wants to say the same 5 things over again. She's such a bitch, she's so great in bed, she dumps him all the time, she's such a bitch. That's about it, x100.

In a totally selfish perspective, this sucks: I work for the same company as him. I was always proud of him and being "his son" in the company for a long time...but not so much now. He's been missing work and the work he does show up for he's emotionally delusional, constantly talking about his girlfriend.

The problem is of course he refuses help. There's only two courses of action:

1) Do nothing.
2) Try to get the government involved with the Mental Health Act (aka put him in a psych ward)

There's not really any middle ground. It's getting bad enough now I don't know if #1 is an option anymore.
 
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Miramonti

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The first thing you don't do is create a thread here with 10 paragraphs about it and no cliffs.
 

AreaCode707

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This sounds less like "dysfunctional" and more like "medium level mental illness". The fact that he's so dependent on his daily routine is very telling; maybe he's a little ways in on the autism spectrum, or something with similar symptoms, and isn't able to deal with the demands of life without help. Sounds like a psychiatrist and AA would be the best two places to start.

Sorry that it makes your relationship with him so hard, but you sound like you've developed a pretty healthy coping pattern of taking care of yourself and being there to offer help for him whenever there's a chance he'll take it. At the end of the day, this is his life and it doesn't sound like he really wants (or can really want) it to be very much different than it is.

If you think the house is a health hazard you could try anonymously reporting that and see if the government can investigate, potentially forcing him into some basic mental health treatment. As difficult as that would be, it might enable him to make his own better decisions about his life.
 

Scouzer

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This sounds less like "dysfunctional" and more like "medium level mental illness". The fact that he's so dependent on his daily routine is very telling; maybe he's a little ways in on the autism spectrum, or something with similar symptoms, and isn't able to deal with the demands of life without help. Sounds like a psychiatrist and AA would be the best two places to start.

Sorry that it makes your relationship with him so hard, but you sound like you've developed a pretty healthy coping pattern of taking care of yourself and being there to offer help for him whenever there's a chance he'll take it. At the end of the day, this is his life and it doesn't sound like he really wants (or can really want) it to be very much different than it is.

If you think the house is a health hazard you could try anonymously reporting that and see if the government can investigate, potentially forcing him into some basic mental health treatment. As difficult as that would be, it might enable him to make his own better decisions about his life.

Oh man... I dunno. As much as I know you have a point, he'd never ever forgive me. Do I want a dad I know is there to some degree occasionally, or a guy who may or may not be more functional but certainly will never speak to me again no matter how hard I tried? It's selfish on my part but I'd have a hard time coping with knowing he'd never speak to me again.

I don't really have any faith that the government would make anything better, either. I suspect I'd just lose my relationship with him altogether and he'd be no better off.

I've asked him to see a psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist or anything but he won't. He used to occasionally go to AA meetings but he refuses to do that anymore now too.

Thanks for the reply though.. it's nice to let this out
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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"How do you deal with dysfunctional parents?"
You outlive them.
Seriously, the greatest motivation I had in HS to study and participate in after school activities was it meant not having to go home. The good news is that my parents, who were always intelligent if dysfunctional, got help and got better in later years. They were great people and parents for their last twenty years.
 

bobdole369

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You can only help those who really want to change. Obviously the first thing that has to happen is for your father to admit he has a problem. Not you forcing it out of him, but he has to do it himself. Unfortunately it may very well be that he dies before that happens.

Is there an al-anon group near you? They are very helpful.

aa.org
 

Ausm

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If you father doesn't want to help himself. I would suggest therapy for yourself. I am serious the fallout of having dysfunctional parents is huge. I know, I was there myself.
I didn't realize how much damage they did to me mentally.

There is such a huge rift in my family that I didn't talk to my parents for 13 years. It's weird but I came to the realization that having a shitty family was better then no family at all. I still to this day am very guarded when dealing with my parents.

My sister and brother are still on a no communication basis with them and they both think I am nuts for trying to rectify anything out of this situation.
 
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moshquerade

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If you father doesn't want to help himself. I would suggest therapy for yourself. I am serious the fallout of having dysfunctional parents is huge. I know, I was there myself.
I didn't realize how much damage they did to me mentally.

There is such a huge rift in my family that I didn't talk to my parents for 13 years. It's weird but I came to the realization that having a shitty family was better then no family at all. I still to this day am very guarded when dealing with my parents.

My sister and brother are still on a no communication basis with them and they both think I am nuts for trying to rectify anything out of this situation.
Scouzer doesn't need therapy. : /

He's recognized there is an issue and he's dealing with it as best he can, including getting it off his chest by posting here.

Scouzer, hard as it may be, you have to distance yourself from your father. You can only help someone who won't help himself so much and then you have to put on your "I don't care" hat in order to preserve your own sanity.

I have a relative who is addicted to gambling, a close relative. I have tried everything to get him to stop as he has pissed away his savings and got himself into deep debt. I have begged, pleaded, and cried trying to get him to stop with every means of help I could think of. He has told me many times he will stop, but falls back into the same destructive pattern over and over. Finally, I have said, "fuck it"... I cannot give anymore of myself to him. I have tried, and I have now reached my limit. I still talk to him, but rarely, and it's not about me trying to convince him to change his ways. I am still cordial and I still care about him, but I am not getting involved in trying to help him anymore. And I am satisfied with my decision at this point to do so.
 

hanoverphist

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ive come to enjoy the dysfunction of my parents. neither are a menace to themselves or others, they just have their fucked up things they do in their lives. they call it "eccentricities"...

as for the OP, he wont change unless he wants to. he wont want to change unless he sees there is a problem. he (likely) wont see the problem if you walk out of his life.
 

Ausm

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Scouzer doesn't need therapy. : /

He's recognized there is an issue and he's dealing with it as best he can, including getting it off his chest by posting here.

Scouzer, hard as it may be, you have to distance yourself from your father. You can only help someone who won't help himself so much and then you have to put on your "I don't care" hat in order to preserve your own sanity.

I have a relative who is addicted to gambling, a close relative. I have tried everything to get him to stop as he has pissed away his savings and got himself into deep debt. I have begged, pleaded, and cried trying to get him to stop with every means of help I could think of. He has told me many times he will stop, but falls back into the same destructive pattern over and over. Finally, I have said, "fuck it"... I cannot give anymore of myself to him. I have tried, and I have now reached my limit. I still talk to him, but rarely, and it's not about me trying to convince him to change his ways. I am still cordial and I still care about him, but I am not getting involved in trying to help him anymore. And I am satisfied with my decision at this point to do so.

Believe me dealing with dysfunctional people all your life fucks you up. Like I said in my previous post it helped me alot in dealing with my own fucked up family :(
 

MichaelD

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Wow, that's truly a rough situation. I wish I had something constructive to say but I don't. :(

Years ago, I dated a woman who's dad was almost a clone of yours, minus the psychotropic meds. Her parents were divorced for many years but she lived with her mom. Her Dads' house was THE epitome of "If the health dept ever came here, they'd burn this place to the ground."

He would kill a 12-pack a night, every night. Unless he was on vacation, in which case he would start at around 10:00AM and continue until he passed out. I hung out with him twice. In my late-20's, this late-40's guy could drink me under the table...and I could put a 12-pack away for starters back then. This guy was a bottomless pit.

In fact, 2 years before the divorce, there was a house fire (started by the water heater, confirmed by fire dept, etc). Basically the house was completely gutted...everyone got out OK, thankfully. The insurance paid him, big-time. He had a great ins policy. He took the money, and........................

Over the next 2 years he refused to fix the house. He patched the roof to keep rain out and had the interior framed and electric run but that's it. No sheetrock, no flooring (just the concrete slab). Divorce happened, mom and kids moved out. He KEPT THE HOUSE THAT WAY. In fact, he ripped out two of the aluminum studs to sandwich the big screen TV he bought with the insurance money there. I dated that girl for two years...finally ditched her and her dysfunctional family but we remained friends. Talked to her about 3 months ago and she said her father's house is still that way. He only cuts the grass in the front yard so the neighbors don't complain. The grass in the backyard is...alive. It reaches easily 6 feet tall in the summer and is so thick, stray dogs don't even go back there. It's scary.

Just wanted to share a similar story that I hope will make you realize you're not the only one in this predicament. Obviously, you still love your dad and good on you for it. :) Just don't put yourself out too much trying to move a mountain with good will, OK?
 
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LittleMsSnuggie

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As a child of addict/alcoholic parents, I highly suggest alanon meetings for you.
As a lot of others have mentioned, he is not going to get help unless he wants it. Him being forced to go to rehab by his employer is one of the reasons he hasn't stayed sober.
I wouldn't completely walk out of his life, but I would cut him off a great deal. Stop calling as often, and stop trying to help him so much. This is only hurting you, not helping him, just enabling him.
If you mention him getting help, he will surely push you away. Make the decision to keep your distance your self.
No matter how much you try, the only one that can save him from his self-destruction is him.
He obviously hasn't hit his bottom yet and things aren't going to change until he does. Since everyone's is different, no one can out right tell you what his is.
Maybe losing his job would help since you said he takes a lot of pride in his work. Maybe it won't. Who knows...
All I can say it stop worrying about him and worry about yourself. It sucks and it's hard, I know, but it is the best thing you can do for yourself.

Here are a few al anon links
http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/new_10question.html
http://www.alanon.org.za/

Best of luck to you. Keep us posted.
 

Miramonti

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As a child of addict/alcoholic parents, I highly suggest alanon meetings for you.
As a lot of others have mentioned, he is not going to get help unless he wants it. Him being forced to go to rehab by his employer is one of the reasons he hasn't stayed sober.
I wouldn't completely walk out of his life, but I would cut him off a great deal. Stop calling as often, and stop trying to help him so much. This is only hurting you, not helping him, just enabling him.
If you mention him getting help, he will surely push you away. Make the decision to keep your distance your self.
No matter how much you try, the only one that can save him from his self-destruction is him.
He obviously hasn't hit his bottom yet and things aren't going to change until he does. Since everyone's is different, no one can out right tell you what his is.
Maybe losing his job would help since you said he takes a lot of pride in his work. Maybe it won't. Who knows...
All I can say it stop worrying about him and worry about yourself. It sucks and it's hard, I know, but it is the best thing you can do for yourself.

Here are a few al anon links
http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/new_10question.html
http://www.alanon.org.za/

Best of luck to you. Keep us posted.

Good advice.

Your father will either hit rock bottom and seek help, or kill himself drinking.

Its sad but that's often the case. Unfortunately you can't help drug addicts or alcoholics that don't want to help themselves. Could an intervention work with his remaining family (and concerned employer/coworkers?)...maybe, perhaps something to discuss at alanon meetings.

Whatever you do, don't be an enabler and think of what's best for him vs. what's best for him to not be pissed at you. Its better that he's pissed at you and alive, than not pissed at you and dead.
 

Zebo

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Sometimes you gotta let go. I have a brother that's a total loser and won't even talk to him.

Some people are bound and determined to ruin their lives NOTHING you can do about it.

Don't let yourself get taken down with them.
 

Scouzer

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Thanks a lot for the replies guys... it helps a lot. I'll probably try to contact him again in a few months, I don't want to regret this if he died or something.
 

IronWing

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The holidays are great! I recall many a Christmas smashed by the smashed. Here's the advice I just posted in this evening's alcoholic sister thread:

Anyway, from experience I can tell you that you can't fix the problem, only she can. All you can do is protect yourself through your own actions and responses to the issue. Consider alcoholics as radioactive and use the same precautions: time, distance, and shielding. Less time together = less time to do damage, more distance = less damage, emotionally shield yourself. Not cheerful advice but it worked for me.
Also, if you find yourself upset, and you posted here so that says something, think about giving al-anon a try. If you live in a town of any size there are likely multiple meeting on any given night. It might help, and if it isn't your thing, you've only lost an hour or two.
 

Scouzer

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I wonder if there's anything similar to the Baker Act that is in the state of Florida that you could enact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Mental_Health_Act

I've Googled and yes there is. Our laws are nearly identical, except perhaps slightly more stringent. It says though that he has to be a gross immediate danger to himself or others. I don't think he'd qualify as being gross or substantially dangerous to himself, so I don't think he qualifies...

I'm pretty sure if I pursued this route my extended family would disown me regardless of how correct I am. We aren't really a therapy/psychiatry/government intervention supporting family. Hell, my mom's been divorced to him for like 15 years and I doubt she'd treat me the same if I did this.
 

meltdown75

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I don't have any good advice for you that hasn't already been given... I can share my own personal stories of an extremely fucked up Jeckyl & Hyde alkie that my Mom was married to (her 2nd marriage) but that won't help. The best thing that ever happened to my Mom was him being blasted to oblivion in an explosion while working (he was a welder / pipe fitter). He was abusive and crazy, and an angel when sober. One of my greatest memories is knocking him out cold with one shot. Damn that felt good. Bastard tried to hurt my dog. No one fucks with my dog. RIP Toby. Anyhoo...

Only your Dad can help himself........ you sound like a good guy with a level head on your shoulders. I know it hurts to see him live his life like this, and the fact that you care enough to post about it here speaks volumes about your personality. Keep venting and talking about it... I know it's not much but I'm here for you man. Life is a bitch, it is never easy and never fair. I wish you all the best... and I hope your Dad turns it around.
 

Pliablemoose

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Yep, go hit up Al Anon, they'll help you deal with some of the shit...

I'm gonna go a different direction than the other posters here and suggest you not cut off communication with him.

He's not going to live forever, if he dies do you really want to think for the rest of your life that you blew him off before he died?

Unless the only for you to keep your shit together is to cut him off, don't do it.
 

sixone

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I'm pretty sure if I pursued this route my extended family would disown me regardless of how correct I am. We aren't really a therapy/psychiatry/government intervention supporting family. Hell, my mom's been divorced to him for like 15 years and I doubt she'd treat me the same if I did this.

So maybe they would disown you. If it keeps your dad from hurting himself, isn't it worth it?

As for your dad, he would forgive you, when he's back in a healthy frame of mind. Any family member who doesn't isn't really family, IMHO.