Not really...What was so spectacular about using a calculator and listing the test by percentages???? You judge the reasons and the conclusions for the leads or deficits.....
Not really...What was so spectacular about using a calculator and listing the test by percentages???? You judge the reasons and the conclusions for the leads or deficits.....
After reading the review, as well as the Barton 3000+ review, here's their conclusion:
"In many cases the Athlon XP 3000+ can outperform the 3.06GHz Pentium 4, while in others it manages to tie with Intel's flagship and yet in others it falls behind just as much. The overall performance is close enough to warrant the 3000+ rating in some cases, but there's no question that it is a very close call between the two top performing CPUs."
So basically, performance is a wash - pick the chip that does best for your particular needs in that circumstance. I personally will stay with the Athlon, as I much perfer it's considerably greater price/performance ratio.
"In many cases the Athlon XP 3000+ can outperform the 3.06GHz Pentium 4, while in others it manages to tie with Intel's flagship and yet in others it falls behind just as much. The overall performance is close enough to warrant the 3000+ rating in some cases, but there's no question that it is a very close call between the two top performing CPUs."
So basically, performance is a wash - pick the chip that does best for your particular needs in that circumstance. I personally will stay with the Athlon, as I much perfer it's considerably greater price/performance ratio.
Yeah, I'm not sure why the conclusion reads that way. I pointed that out when the article was first put up. But if you look at the benchmarks, the P4 comes out way ahead in the vast majority of examples.
It's not like the engineers at Intel couldn't come up with a lower clocked cpu that performs higher on a clock-for-clock basis... (i.e. Take a look at Banias/Centrino, it outperforms the Athlon at equal clockspeeds.) It's just that they decided to take a different approach to acheiving the world's fastest desktop cpu. Oh yeah, not to mention that they happened to accomplish that goal.
By your reasoning, you could point out how "embarrassing" it is that AMD has only been able to scale their cpu's a few hundred mhz in a couple of years (and are actually going backwards.) That's pretty much just as rational.
I also cant figure out that conclusion based on the percentages I ran (and you too can verify my numbers)....The p4 3.0ghz wins by a big margin and it did step back 60mhz...That aside the 3.06ghz was not that far off to the 3.0ghz p4c...heck for that conclusion by anandtech the barton 3000+ sould have had the p4 3.06ghz numbers, which it did not....
I have always thought the 3000+ barton should have been at least the same clock speed as the 2800+xp and then it may have truly deserved the 3000+ tag....Unfortunately it did not and I can't see how many can justify it after its review against its own sibling in the 2800+ xp. The 3200+ will definitely be closer and likely should be the 3000+ chip....
I think a better comparison of new chips to new chips should show the Barton 400Mhz FSB 3200+ (released this week?). Ohterwise it's much like comparing an Athlon to a Celeron, because the names sound the same at the end. Is a Athlon a better performer than a Celeron? What isn't? I think I have a calculator more powerful than a Celeron. Seriously, 800Mhz FSB to 333Mhz, that's skewing the results. Compare the 333 Bartons to the 533 Pentiums, and this new chip to the new pentiums.
The 400Mhz 3200+ is listed at excaliber for $448. What's the price on the P4C? Assuming you can actually find it in stock somewhere?
The 400Mhz 3200+ is listed at excaliber for $448. What's the price on the P4C? Assuming you can actually find it in stock somewhere?
Looks like Tom's Hardware already has a comparison. And there wasn't a single test (that I noticed) where the "3200+" outperformed the P4-3000mhz.
And if Tom's isn't good enough for you (who IS it good enough for?), then here's The Tech Report's conclusion:
It was (is?) only a matter of time.Originally posted by: ElFenix
thats all well and good until someone throws in that its not a pentium rating its a thunderbird rating
I love my AMD because they supply me with $50 processors that run at 2100mhz...If I had the money to blow on a P4c I would, also if I had the money to get rid of my ti4200 and get a 9800pro I would also do that, but until then I and a lot of others like to buy something cheap that performs excellent for the price...either way with my $50 1700+ I'm still not TOO far behind the $450 processors some people think are MUST HAVE...like others have said, if you're going to sit through 2 hours of video encoding what's another 20 or 30min anyway?
Oops, I only looked for in stock items at newegg. Excaliber has the 3200+ 400Mhz FSB Athlon XP listed for $488, but I somehow doubt it is in stock at this time either.
That makes our whole argument about which is better not matter, since we can't buy 'em anyways. Damn it, my siliconvaporware is better than your siliconvaporware, I swear!
That makes our whole argument about which is better not matter, since we can't buy 'em anyways. Damn it, my siliconvaporware is better than your siliconvaporware, I swear!
newegg is not the only store...Why don't you use Pricewatch??? Do a search for p4 3.0ghz 800fsb and you will find a 459.00, 460 something, and 470 something....
Ofcourse we shouldn't compare the barton 3000+ to a 3.0ghz, because of the obvious performance in the reviews plus the fact Elfenix has pointed out it is a tbird rating!!!!
barton 3000+should have been 2700-2800+
Barton 3200+ should have been a 2900-3000+ not a 2800+ like one of the reviews stated....
Jeff7181
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Dude, please... I quoted the prices all from the same place so there was some sort of order or method to it... geeze... I bet I can find an XP3000 cheaper than I quoted it from Newegg too... but who gives a flying cow turd? a 3Ghz P4 will ALWAYS be more expensive than an XP3000...
some people...
some people...
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Dude, please... I quoted the prices all from the same place so there was some sort of order or method to it... geeze... I bet I can find an XP3000 cheaper than I quoted it from Newegg too... but who gives a flying cow turd? a 3Ghz P4 will ALWAYS be more expensive than an XP3000...
some people...
You are right!!! I found one for 310.00...Wow $5.00 less yet the p4c is a whopping 51.00 less...Just trying to keep you honest!!!
Even according to Intels pricing spec when the 3.2ghz is released along with the other p4c chips the 3.0ghz will be much lower then the 460 or the 510....
AMD will still be the cheapest from top to bottom, but usually by not as much at the top....AMD's rock at the bottom...
And to you AMD fanboys I actually buy AMD processors (planning on 2 now), whereas most of you asses can't say that!!!
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I wish I could buy an Intel rig... but I don't have the cash... most of the time when I upgrade, I do one part a time... CPU... motherboard... RAM... video card. I usually don't have the cash to do more than one at a time. Especially not $150-200 for a P4.
Buuuuut... if you'd like to chip in and start a "buy Jeff a P4" fund... I'd be more than happy to accept it =)
Buuuuut... if you'd like to chip in and start a "buy Jeff a P4" fund... I'd be more than happy to accept it =)
Well I can agree with you there!!! I know switching platforms is more costly then just upgrading a cpu here or there like me....I sold my 1.6a which did 2.7 for 100+ and got this chip below for 159.00 so my upgrade was 59.00 dollars. I could keep same board....My next upgrade will hopefully be an i865 mobo in the 100 dollar range and trade my 512mb ddr for 2 sticks of 256mb (dont need 1gb yet)...That should tie me over for the year until I see the hammer and the prescott a bit more...
LOL!!! I need a fund too!!! I need to try to keep up with the jone's like pastorJay (ministry biz pays well!!!), Thugsrook, jhites, etc.....Work is slow and my upgrades need to be very cost efficient...IE like the ram swap and getting good resale value out of my current items before I can purchase anything....
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