How do we solve global conflict ?

[Zebo]

We will never stop war. War, death and taxes. Life is all about fighting from the education you get to business to the football feild to marriage to global affairs, everything everyday even with yourself... Because people look out for thier own self intrest. Nothing wrong with that per se until your intrests run into conflict with anothers then fighting occurs or you become altruist/appeaser/self sacifical like this author. IE Surrender. All sorts of forms fighting can take from a compromise which in an of itself is a fight to all out total war.

As far as the Middle East: Israel and USA is not really figthing with all thier abilites or to win which is sad because history has shown you lose your strategic objectives that way. If Israels Goal is to stomp out terror, not only should they attempt to kill terrorists like they are, they need to exploit evolutionary psychology: family responsibility like we have in all sucessful campaigns. Soldiers, like most suicide bombers and terrorists is a person that does not fear his own death or any guilt about it, he volunteers for it , but he fears negative consequences for his relatives. Taking his relatives out until that guilt is retored and the opportunity cost of contining to fight is too high would erase terror and the will to continue fighting.. Flashback to Dresden or Nagasaki if you want a historical example of sucess.

 

[maluckey]

Zebo,

I have to agree on this one, but that is not acceptable in todays soceity of self-involved citizens. In order to cure cancer, you have to harm the patient. In some cases it almost kills them between surgery and chemo. Curing humanity of violence is like curing cancer. In the end you sve the patient (kinda), but no guarantee of recurrence. You can't cure humanity from violence. All you can do is make it soooo distasteful and harsh that the offender will think twice before engaging in warfare.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Zebo,

I have to agree on this one, but that is not acceptable in todays soceity of self-involved citizens. In order to cure cancer, you have to harm the patient. In some cases it almost kills them between surgery and chemo. Curing humanity of violence is like curing cancer. In the end you sve the patient (kinda), but no guarantee of recurrence. You can't cure humanity from violence. All you can do is make it soooo distasteful and harsh that the offender will think twice before engaging in warfare.

And how do you do that, take it to the extremes like the Romans did? Save humanity by losing ones humanity?

 

[maluckey]

Red Dawn,

Halfway is never enough to convince extremists of their absolute failure. They are extreme for the very reason that they cannot see compromises. Anything other than defeat on a grand scale means that they have hope of winning.

As far as Humanity...Define this word from an extremist P.O.V and you will find that it is quite different than that of a moderate.

As far as the Romans...Pax Romana was virtually the only known "peace" that humanity has ever enjoyed. If they were wrong, then explain the results? I'm not advocating Draconian measures, just following through to the logical end if you begin a war at all. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight, and don't offer peace to someone before they not only are defeated, but that they admit defeat.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: fallensight
Step #1 to solve world conflict would be to eliminate ALL religion. It would fall into place quickly soon after.

What is really, really funny about all the hostility between jews, christians and muslims, is they all worship the same god. All follow the God of Abraham.

The godless communists and fascists tried this and the result was human death beyond anything your atyplical religion has brought on this world.

Step #1 is to realize humans are their own natural predator. We can only hope to contain our aggressions not stomp them out.

 

[Genx87]

Consider this. The Nazis had FAR more people fighting for them than do Islamic fanatics, many of whom helped perform very evil things. Yet we ended up able to make peace with most of them. Why assume that our current crop of enemies are different?

One has to wonder what carpet bombing the populations where the Nazi's lived had something to do with the will of the population to convert to Nazism and fight us after the end of the war.

You had two regimes in Germany and Japan with severe cases of fanatical nationalism. Yet after the war there was little to no organized resistence to bring back the old ideology.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: casuality
Topic Title: How do we solve global conflict ?

What is this "We" you speak of?

Can you show me where in the United States Constitution where it says the U.S. is te World's Policeman and must "solve" global conflict?

It is of the nature of the strong and the just to stop the oppression of the weak. But this can't happen properly with morons in charge. It is in the nature of morons to f@ck everybody in the ass, you, themselves, and everybody else. But as can be seen from reading the article I am at a stage of consciousness where my anger is directed at the level of consciousness that people like Bush are at. Naturally that is my problem because nothing in calling them morons changes their consciousness.

What makes the article truly interesting, I think, is the fact that it shows the necessity of people's reactions based on what they can understand.

Stop oppression? Through what means? Violence? I thought we were talking about how to bring about peace.

There is more than one kind of peace, no? There is a peace that comes from enlightenment and a peace that comes from law enforcement, no? If the first is better than the second, the second is better than mass psychosis I would think.

Law enforcement is ironic in that if you try to protect others, you must force it. The end result of force, should lesser force fail, is violence against the violent.

Yes, real peace comes through consciousness. In the mean time we are trying to manage the asylum.

 

[Doboji]

The answer:

Thermo-nuclear war that eliminates all life on the globe...

other than that... you can't

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Doboji
The answer:

Thermo-nuclear war that eliminates all life on the globe...

other than that... you can't

Not at your level of consciousness at least.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Red Dawn,

Halfway is never enough to convince extremists of their absolute failure. They are extreme for the very reason that they cannot see compromises. Anything other than defeat ona grand scale means that they have hope of winning.

As far as Humanity...Define this word from an extremist P.O.V and you will find that it is quite different than that of a moderate.

As far as the Romans...Pax Romana was virtually the only known "peace" that humanity has ever enjoyed. If they were wrong, then explain the results? I'm not advocatin Draconian measures, just following through to the logical end if you begin a war at all. Don't bring a knife o a gunfight, and don't offer peace to someone before they not only are defeated, but that they admit defeat.

Great post! Halfway, or even 9/10th the way of Israel giving in will never stop Muslim Zionism. History has proven that from the withdrawl from the Sinai to the unilateral withdraw from Gaza. The Arabs break every treaty ever signed and the attacks keep coming with increased virulence modern weaponry gives.

 

[mc00]

How do we solve global conflict ?

nuke each other and every country get there chance scratch there itch to test there nuke toys, and then we learn no one win with nukes.. so now can we have world piece for another 1k years?
jk sort of.

 

[keldog7]

So what do you suggest for solving our global conflict? Your hatred runs deep.
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It's a good thing Christianity went through major reforms hundreds of years ago, and no longer carry out crusades in the name of God. Unfortunately, Islam is several hundred years behind us, and seems to not want to change... hence the problem.[/quote]


PLEASE OH PLEASE SPARE ME. Christianity doesn't carry out crusades in the name of God???? Buy a newspaper man! Look up any sentence with the name GEORGE BUSH, and you'll find a christian crusade. You think this war in Iraq isn't about the "american" way of life?? Better yet, that statement is SO naive, maybe you don't read well, and should buy a TV instead. The same stuff is on TV.