How do they detect a router?

[flippinfleck]

Actually, it has everything to do with broadband subscribers. If you read the first post, it can be a little misleading. However, it appears to me that Gnat is looking at his/her home office, not work...


<< I was also told that they can detect this >>

they being the word that tells me he/she's talkin bout an ISP.


Hey Gnat, how bout you step in and clarify a bit?

 

[Pul54r]

I can see how the original person who needed / wanted to hook the router up would get in a huff. Read through this quick play and see if you don't agree:

User dials help desk
User: I need a second connection in my office. This is an emergency. I have a vendor here working with me on an emergency project and he needs a computer next to mine so we can callaborate.

Help Desk: Ok, I've entered a ticket number. You are ticket number #10293745818237461. Your password is "rumplestiltskin". We'll contact you in four to six weeks to determine whether you still work here. At that time we'll decide if you will actually get anything or not.


Two weeks later

User : I haven't been contacted, my shipments are late, the code isn't correct, and I've got a vendor useing his laptop connected through a cellular phone that he's hung out the window of my office. Can I PLEASE have the second connection wired?

Help Desk: Ok, I've elevated your case to a level 2. Your new ticket number is #1902132138243210752394280971324713204.

User: Um.... thanks.

Four days later

User: I still have not been contacted. My vendor hung himself by his cellular phone cord, and vultures have taken to staring in my window at his dead body. Can you please install the router?

Help Desk: I've elevated your case to a level 3. Your new ticket number is an unpronouncable word known only to the cannabilistic hindi tribes of south eastern zaire. We should get back to you some time today.

User: Gee, thanks....

Two days later

Help Desk: I'm sorry, your request for a router has been denied. We have determined that because the vendor committed suicide you no longer need it. Have a nice day.

User: ......

That's how I feel when dealing with our tech office. I'm no dummy - I have a lan at home have set up multiple other small scale networks. But still, you feel like a second class citizen when dealing with most of the techs. I think that's why people have all the hostility.

Hell, the above story is pretty close to something I played out with EDS (our supplier) not to long ago.

 

[JackMDS]

I have both Cable and DSL services in various locations.

If I did not know I to set and serve the connections I will not be able to run.

This is one of the reasons that I spend time and effort to help here.

I can tell you horror stories about my services, that will ?pale? yours.

There is NO JUSTIFICATION for such lousy service as provided by most broadband vendors.

However, none of these stories can justify illegal, and destructive activities.

I would suggest that we should close this matter.

 

[Tallgeese]

<< I'm no dummy - I have a lan at home have set up multiple other small scale networks. >>

You know, the number of NON-dummies who end up breaking large networks is really staggering.

As stated before, if you don't understand the fundamental differences (and difficulties) of managing/maintaining LARGE networks vs. small networks, well, then you just made our case for us.

And, FINALLY, this thread IS about a CORPORATE NETWORK, not a PRIVATE one:

<< I have 2 PC's in my office, and only 1 is networked. Apparently it is against policy to hook up more than one PC to a network jack via a router, hub, or switch. >>

If you aren't gonna take the time to read the @*#@&$!$%! thread closely enough to know what is being asked, then for CR@P's sake, refrain from posting (and taking this even farther off topic)

Jack: I know I speak for everybody when I say: we're very sorry about your relatives
I also think this thread has MORE than worn out its welcome...

 

[Poontos]

pul54r,


Despite the focus (or lack of) of this thread, I have to admit that your scenario/story was fvcking hilarious!

On a more serious note, I have to agree with the others that this thread has burnt up its welcome.

Just two points:

At home: Do whatever you want with your network.
At work: Follow ALL of the rules with their network. The keyword here, is "their" network, not yours! Everything would go much smoother!

 

[ScottMac]

Yeah, kill the thread, I'm going back to turning people into aliens.....

(been in a CIPT class this week...my head hurts...)

Scott

 

[Nutz]

<< When I pointed out that my method was the same method they used for the corporate wide network for things like budgeting and financial statements (far more critical than our manufacturing and print information), only on a smaller scale, their response was basically "yeah well.... you can't anyway, so there." My boss saw the idiocy in that and basically ignored them, but to this day we have no backup system and would lose literally years of work if one of our hard drives was to crash.

I can't think of a single job in the world that is in as "closed" a system as you would like. I do see alot of people getting very upset when told that they can't even back up their data without the "Net God's" personal ok. >>



I see your point. I've been in similar positions where I work. We wanted a file server for our two buildings, but the net admins said no. They want full controll over all servers and net infrastucture items. So instead of a server we set up a "workstation" with multiple shares and installed a couple of hard drives. Eventully they heard we had a "server" and cried foul. We explained our case and everything worked out in the end (The look on the dudes face was priceless. Guess they weren't expecting that kind of answer). Well, as time carried on we've ran into more of these kinds of issues. We now have a pretty good working relationship with the net admins and have just about got full control of our buildings including a Snap! server.

If you can explain to the net admins that network security works on a teetertotter scale. As security goes up, fuctionality/ useability goes down. For some reason the folks here still don't seem to understand that.

 

[jhu]

there's this rumor on slashdot that comcast is going to crack down on home networking.

 

[GnatGoSplat]

Wow, what an interesting turn this post has taken. Sorry I haven't been around to clarify the information I'm looking for, as I forgot to Subscribe to this thread.

Anyway, this was more of a, "How do they do it?" type of question, not a "How do I break corporate policy" question.
I was curious about how it's possible to detect a router since the whole selling point behind these popular broadband routers is that they look like 1 machine and are invisible to the ISP.

I would like to clarify:
- MOST IMPORTANTLY, I have NO desire to risk getting in trouble by installing the router! Not only would I be fined $100, it would be embarrassing.
- My question WAS related to a corporate networking.
- The 2nd machine in my office is supposed to be an experimental server which HAS been approved by the man at the top (it's a company machine, too, not a personal machine).
- I work for a government-funded business which has recently suffered huge budget cuts, so that's why installation of a 2nd network jack has been "delayed indefinitely".
- It is due to the jack being "delayed indefinitely" which caused me to discuss with my supervisor the possibility of just using a hub, switch or router (who is the one who requested the 2nd experimental server in the 1st place).
- My supervisor went to talk to the network guys, and this is where he found out about the corporate policy on hubs, switches, routers, and the ability to detect them.

So, have no desire, nor a router, nor any plans to do anything. Just a lot of curiosity about how routers can possibly be detected. I sure as hell am not going to drop $50-100 of my personal income for a router for work when they will cover all expenses on a network jack (when the budget allows)!!!