How do Southerners view Lincoln?

[rudeguy]

I'm curious. Do our Southern friends view Lincoln as a great president? I view him as one of the bravest and for sure the best president of all times.

Does the south still hold a grudge against him?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

lol

 

[SsupernovaE]

with old photographs?

 

[alfa147x]

I hate him. Piece of crap. Even obama is better.

 

[Schadenfroh]

As a hero that saved us from the undead:

 

[guyver01]

I hate him. Piece of crap.

any particular reason you hate a person who died 130 years before you were born?

mad he took away your slaves?

 

[ponyo]

The South will rise again.

 

[Jumpem]

I'm a northerner and view him as near the top of our worst presidents.

 

[alfa147x]

any particular reason you hate a person who died 130 years before you were born?

mad he took away your slaves?

I was joking...

 

[ProfJohn]

I think northerners have a distorted view of the south.

Southerners fly the confederate flag for the same reason Canadians living in Florida fly the Canadian flag or Mexicans fly the Mexican flag etc etc.

It is not about slavery or state rights or 'the south will rise again' it is about saying that they are southerners and proud of it.

As for Lincoln, never heard anyone give an opinion of him really. Not like people walk around talking about him in the north either.

 

[Meghan54]

How do Southerners view Lincoln? Silly question.....no one cares down here. Ooooold history and irrelevant today. Some seem to think people in the south obsess about Lincoln, but reality is no one really cares.

Northerners, on the other hand, seem to be obsessed with Lincoln and what we in the South think about his presidency. Cannot figure out why.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

The South will rise again.

Only in temperature. Its f-ing hot down here.

 

[Ichinisan]

I like the guy.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think northerners have a distorted view of the south.

Southerners fly the confederate flag for the same reason Canadians living in Florida fly the Canadian flag or Mexicans fly the Mexican flag etc etc.

It is not about slavery or state rights or 'the south will rise again' it is about saying that they are southerners and proud of it.

As for Lincoln, never heard anyone give an opinion of him really. Not like people walk around talking about him in the north either.

You're right that most people flying the older GA flag or the Confederate flag aren't endorsing racism / slavery...but some ARE. I've personally met some fools that make such proclamations as "The South will Rise Again!" I've met others who hate Lincoln and say that the war wasn't about slavery at all (in complete denial).


One of my friends had a rebel flag with a circle in the middle. Inside the circle was artwork showing a standing skeleton of a Confederate soldier holding a bloody saber under the words "The South will Rise Again." IIRC, standing on top of dead bodies (presumably Union soldiers). Why did he have it hanging in his bedroom? Because everyone said it was cool.

 

[ponyo]

You're right that most people flying the older GA flag or the Confederate flag aren't endorsing racism / slavery...but some ARE. I've personally met some fools that make such proclamations as "The South will Rise Again!" I've met others who hate Lincoln and say that the war wasn't about slavery at all (in complete denial).


One of my friends had a rebel flag with a circle in the middle. Inside the circle was artwork showing a standing skeleton of a Confederate soldier holding a bloody saber under the words "The South will Rise Again." IIRC, standing on top of dead bodies (presumably Union soldiers). Why did he have it hanging in his bedroom? Because everyone said it was cool.

You live in Newnan.

 

[Codewiz]

My cred, my mom was born in south carolina. I grew up in South Carolina. I was actually born in Denver(my mom was a flight attendent). Lived in South Carolina most of my life.

Anyone who has read history knows some simple things. Lincoln had zero intention of outlawing slavery in existing states. He would just not allow any new states to be admitted into the union as slave owning states.

South Carolina in typical fashion went full retard anyways over this. There would have never been a need for the civil war if South Carolina didn't get all paranoid. Slavery would have eventually ended. Hell border states had just as much slavery as the south.

Lincoln did what he had to do. However, he wasn't some black loving president. He didn't view blacks as being equal nor did he free them for ethical reasons. He did it to win the war and unite the country.

EDIT: By the way, you will get vastly different answers based on education level. Once again, it has more to do with education than anything else. An uneducated redneck will just spew whatever their uneducated family told them.

 

[Ichinisan]

My cred, my mom was born in south carolina. I grew up in South Carolina. I was actually born in Denver(my mom was a flight attendent). Lived in South Carolina most of my life.

Anyone who has read history knows some simple things. Lincoln had zero intention of outlawing slavery in existing states. He would just not allow any new states to be admitted into the union as slave owning states.

South Carolina in typical fashion went full retard anyways over this. There would have never been a need for the civil war if South Carolina didn't get all paranoid. Slavery would have eventually ended. Hell border states had just as much slavery as the south.

Lincoln did what he had to do. However, he wasn't some black loving president. He didn't view blacks as being equal nor did he free them for ethical reasons. He did it to win the war and unite the country.

I think he actually believed in equality for all men. Why would he go through such sacrifice if he didn't?

If he didn't care, he would have simply conceded and changed nothing regarding slavery.

 

[Ichinisan]

Dear Madam,

I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.

Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,

A. Lincoln

Yup.

 

[Codewiz]

Quote from Lincoln,

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views."

The point is that Lincoln had decided that no new territory was to be accepted into the union as a slave state. However, he defended the existing rights of existing slave states to continue owning their slaves.

He was not going to free slaves in those existing states.

So if you believe he was all about freeing slaves, you really should read a little more about Lincoln. Did he dislike slavery? Yes, I believe history supports that. However, he had no intention of banning slavery in the existing states.

He like most others believed that slavery would disappear on its own if no other states were admitted to the union as slave states.

Also keep in mind that only about 40% of plantations in the south had slaves. Btw, I am pulling a lot of this from memory I could be a little bit off.

The point is that while slavery is the reason the South went apeshit, they went apeshit for no reason. Had they kept their cool, Lincoln would have let them proceed as business as usual.

 

[MovingTarget]

If anything, Southerners today have more reason to be pissed at Lincoln's successor(s). If Lincoln hadn't been shot by Booth, reconstruction wouldn't have left the South as broken and bitter as it was for the following decades. Southerners as a whole have come to forgive and respect Lincoln for what he was trying to do - preserve the union.

 

[Chaotic42]

More of these kinds of threads, eh? As a group, we have no opinion of him, unless I missed a meeting. He kept the Union together, which was a good thing. He freed the slaves, though that wasn't a deal breaker for him, which was a good thing.

Clearly we've had worse.

 

[CZroe]

Quote from Lincoln,

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views."

The point is that Lincoln had decided that no new territory was to be accepted into the union as a slave state. However, he defended the existing rights of existing slave states to continue owning their slaves.

He was not going to free slaves in those existing states.

So if you believe he was all about freeing slaves, you really should read a little more about Lincoln. Did he dislike slavery? Yes, I believe history supports that. However, he had no intention of banning slavery in the existing states.

He like most others believed that slavery would disappear on its own if no other states were admitted to the union as slave states.

Also keep in mind that only about 40% of plantations in the south had slaves. Btw, I am pulling a lot of this from memory I could be a little bit off.

The point is that while slavery is the reason the South went apeshit, they went apeshit for no reason. Had they kept their cool, Lincoln would have let them proceed as business as usual.

Those statements are public and clearly pandering. His TRUE feelings are what matters.

 

[dud]

As someone who was born in North (NY) but settled in the South (FL) I have one thing to say ... just let it go.

 

[Ichinisan]

As someone who was born in North (NY) but settled in the South (FL) I have one thing to say ... just let it go.

Yer right. Dem damn Yankees had better let us go.

 

[adairusmc]

I dont know how they feel about Lincoln so much, but I know they are quite bitter about the Hero of the North and the man every military strategist in war should aspire to emulate - William Tecumseh Sherman.

Maybe if the southerners would have fought harder, they could have stopped him from expressing his views on the south -

:awe: