How do I overclock a 2500+ FSB? Total noob, I know...

NightRaven

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I have never overclocked anything, and tutorials and guides confuse me to hell...

Or, if it is too much of a bother, can you point me out a place for an easy guide?
 

Betauser

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i feel you man.. when i had the 2400+ cpu i was very frustrated coz i couldnt figure it out how to overclock.. anyways, in order to have sucessful overclock, you need to know atleast where to go.. (bios settings) and im assuming u know where that is already..

and also if u can provide us more about ur system like, wha'ts ur motherboard, ram, etc. then maybe ppl here can help you easily. we all start w/ something so.. good luck!
 

Metalloid

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Ok I'll give it my best shot.

Your clock speed is the product of the FSB and the multiplier. Take your Barton for example... it comes stock with a FSB of 166mhz and a multiplier of 11, for a clock speed of 1830mhz (11x166).

The Front Side Bus is the frequency that your RAM, AGP, and all of your PCI slots run on, so if you bump up the FSB you increase the clock speed's of all of these devices (unless you have an NForce2 board with agp/pci lock, but we will get to this when you tell us your system specs). If you increase the multiplier, you are only increasing the CPU frequency.

So in order to change the speed you must go into the CMOS setup (tap del at POST). The clock speed is almost guarunteed to be located in the first section listed, but if it isn't there just keep looking. You will want to increase the FSB in small increments (maybe 5mhz for the first jump up). A 5mhz FSB increase will increase your CPU clock speed by 55mhz (5mhz higher FSB multiplied by 11). The one thing you need to watch most is temperatures. Do not let the CPU get above 50C to be safe, but the lower the better (I am currently idle at 29C). You can test stability by using a program to "stress test" the system. Prime95 is probably the most well-known stress tester, and what I personally use.

Now you have to be careful if you are FSB overclocking to not let your PCI devices get too far out of spec. The PCI frequency should be kept as close to 33mhz as possible at all times. You can determine your PCI frequency by taking the FSB and multiplying it by the divider. The most common dividers are 1:4, 1:5, and 1:6. For example, your 2500+ runs at 166mhz FSB, so the motherboard will automatically set the PCI divider to 1:5, giving the PCI devices a 33mhz frequency. But if you increase the FSB, the PCI frequency goes up with it. The AGP frequency is another thing to watch out for. It is found by doubling the PCI frequency, and as you have probably guessed needs to be kept as close to 66mhz as possible. Everytime you increase the FSB 5mhz, the PCI will go up 1mhz and the AGP will go up 2mhz. Get it?

*Ignore the above paragraph if you have a PCI/AGP lock on your motherboard*

Another thing you need to watch out for is yoru RAM frequency. The RAM frequency is equal to the FSB (unless you have a motherboard which allows you to set it independently, but I don't recommend this as it is proven to give lesser performance than when the RAM is "in sync" with the FSB). Again, once you give your system specs we will be able to tell you what your RAM frequency should be. It is alright to overclock your RAM, just make sure you are constantly stress testing. Your RAM or CPU will cause a system lockup on a stress test long before you get the frequency high enough to the point where it would damage your hardware, providing you overclock in small steps.

If your system locks up or reboots while stress testing you have two options. You can either back the frequency down a bit until it is perfectly stable (Prime95 can run for 24 hours straight), or you can increase the voltage.
IMPORTANT: Increasing voltage causes your system to run hotter, and if increased too much can kill your system. The stock voltage for a Barton is 1.65v. Depending on your cooling setup (it better be good if you want a high overclock), you are safe taking your vcore (cpu's voltage) to around 1.725v-1.75v. Just check your temps constantly if you up the vcore. You can also increase RAM voltage to make your RAM more stable. This is done in VERY small increments, so be careful or you WILL fry your RAM (I wouldn't increase it more than one notch unless you have some good cooling, and only increase it if absolutely necessary).

Cooling is the single most important factor of overclocking. High speed fans, copper heatsinks, and Arctic Silver thermal compound are your best friends if you are serious about getting a high speed. If you just want a moderate overclock then you can get away with a lesser cooling system (but what fun is that?)

Just do me a favor and keep an eye on your temperatures at all times....

*I am not responsible for any damage done to you or your hardware. Overclocking isn't that risky if you are smart about it, but stuff does get broken. Overclock at your own risk*

Hope this helped, and good luck!!
 

videoclone

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lol long enough reply there Metalloid .. i'll grade you a B+ :) .. and dont forget to write posts not novels
 

NightRaven

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Wow, thanks Metalloid... That was VERY helpful... Here is what I have...

Biostar M7NCD Nforce2 motherboard... You called it...
Barton 2500+... You already knew that...
512mb of Corsair PC3200 XMS RAM
Radeon 9700 PRO

I dont see myself as a heavy overclocker, but I just want to overclock a bit to get better frame rates from Madden 2004. I just got this new system lats week, and it pisses me off that it wont push Madden that much better than my Geforce 3 rig did. It runs everything else fine without a hick up.

So, I just want to overclock my card, and CPU a bit to see if I cant get it to run smooth. I'll try what you said, but I have to admit, it makes me a little nervous. Especially since I baby all my stuff.

I know I will need to make some changes with cooling if I hit this hard, but I just want to take small steps for now. Thanks!
 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: videoclone
lol long enough reply there Metalloid .. i'll grade you a B+ :) .. and dont forget to write posts not novels

Really, it was too long? I thought I made it quite brief. I guess you are lucky I decided to shorten it from my original thoughts...
 

Metalloid

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Originally posted by: NightRaven
Wow, thanks Metalloid... That was VERY helpful... Here is what I have...

Biostar M7NCD Nforce2 motherboard... You called it...
Barton 2500+... You already knew that...
512mb of Corsair PC3200 XMS RAM
Radeon 9700 PRO

I dont see myself as a heavy overclocker, but I just want to overclock a bit to get better frame rates from Madden 2004. I just got this new system lats week, and it pisses me off that it wont push Madden that much better than my Geforce 3 rig did. It runs everything else fine without a hick up.

So, I just want to overclock my card, and CPU a bit to see if I cant get it to run smooth. I'll try what you said, but I have to admit, it makes me a little nervous. Especially since I baby all my stuff.

I know I will need to make some changes with cooling if I hit this hard, but I just want to take small steps for now. Thanks!

Alright, now we are talking. That Biostar board of yours has a PCI/AGP lock, so overclock the FSB away and you only have to worry about your CPU and RAM. And also, that RAM is rated for 200mhz, so you can put the FSB up to about 215mhz if you really want to without too much worry.

But you will still want to take this in small increments. I would suggest this:

1.Make sure your RAM is 1:1 with the FSB for best performance.
2. Try changing the multiplier to see if you can (I hear that the newest Barton's are completely locked :frown:...). Just bring it down to 10.5x and see if your system displays the correct clock speed at POST (should be ~1743mhz).
3. If you can change your multiplier, bring it down to 9.5x, and bump your FSB all the way up to 200mhz. This will bring your RAM up to its rated speed, but at the same time keep it in sync with the FSB. It will also bring your CPU frequency to 1900mhz. Test that and see if it works (check temps constantly).
4. If you get a stable system, try bringing the multiplier up a notch while at the same time bringing the FSB down a few mhz. For example... multiplier up to 10x, FSB down to 196 to give you a clock speed of 1960mhz.

Keep trying combinations like that until you are no longer stable, then if your temps are ok you can bump up your voltage a bit and try it again.

Keep us updated...
 

Metalloid

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Oh, and as far as overclocking your Radeon goes...

I believe that the new Catalyst 3.8 drivers have an overclocking tab right in them, so no more extra overclocking programs necessary. Just take it a few mhz at a time (maybe 5 or 10 for the first jump, and then 2-3mhz for each jump after the first) and loop 3dMark03 to stress test. Video RAM overclocking has proven to be more effective than core overclocking, but for best results overclock both.

It really helps to have some type of fan blowing directly on the video card when overclocking. The more airflow, the better...
 

mocash

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hi, i'm new to overclocking as well and have a question. I have a abit nf7-s, Barton 3500+, corsair xms PC3200 DDR 400 ram. If you have an unsuccesful overclock(because of too aggressive FSB or memory timings), can you always get back into the bios regularly? I heard that sometimes you have to reset the cmos chip?
 

XtreemeChaos

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I got a memory error after trying to OC my 2500+ when i rebooted, it would not boot up. I had to reset the CMOS and go back into the BIOS and set everything back up.
 

Cornel

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Actually I think reseting the CMOS is the first thing to know about overclocking:) because sooner or later you will lock your system if you wanna become serious about overclocking...
 

dBo

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Originally posted by: mocash
hi, i'm new to overclocking as well and have a question. I have a abit nf7-s, Barton 3500+, corsair xms PC3200 DDR 400 ram. If you have an unsuccesful overclock(because of too aggressive FSB or memory timings), can you always get back into the bios regularly? I heard that sometimes you have to reset the cmos chip?

Yep, if your BIOS locks up or something funky happens ... just reset the CMOS. Take the battery out, move the jumper over a notch .. wait a minute or so .. then put it all back. BIOS should pop up for you again with default settings.

 

dBo

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Originally posted by: mrgoblin
jumper=?


according to my abit nf7-s manual .. its jumper CCMOS1 that discharges the CMOS.

Move it from pins 1 and 2 ( where it is right now ) .. to pins 2 and 3 when clearing the CMOS.
 

Cornel

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Originally posted by: dBo
Originally posted by: mrgoblin
jumper=?


according to my abit nf7-s manual .. its jumper CCMOS1 that discharges the CMOS.

Move it from pins 1 and 2 ( where it is right now ) .. to pins 2 and 3 when clearing the CMOS.

...keep it on the pins 2-3 for about 15-30 seconds (WITHOUT TAKING OFF THE BATTERY) then move it back on pins1-2.

 

skyking

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Please remove power to the power supply before doing that. Many bioses will go funky on you if you clear cmos while there is power to the power supply.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Metalloid
Ok I'll give it my best shot.

Your clock speed is the product of the FSB and the multiplier. Take your Barton for example... it comes stock with a FSB of 166mhz and a multiplier of 11, for a clock speed of 1830mhz (11x166).

The Front Side Bus is the frequency that your RAM, AGP, and all of your PCI slots run on, so if you bump up the FSB you increase the clock speed's of all of these devices (unless you have an NForce2 board with agp/pci lock, but we will get to this when you tell us your system specs). If you increase the multiplier, you are only increasing the CPU frequency.

So in order to change the speed you must go into the CMOS setup (tap del at POST). The clock speed is almost guarunteed to be located in the first section listed, but if it isn't there just keep looking. You will want to increase the FSB in small increments (maybe 5mhz for the first jump up). A 5mhz FSB increase will increase your CPU clock speed by 55mhz (5mhz higher FSB multiplied by 11). The one thing you need to watch most is temperatures. Do not let the CPU get above 50C to be safe, but the lower the better (I am currently idle at 29C). You can test stability by using a program to "stress test" the system. Prime95 is probably the most well-known stress tester, and what I personally use.

Now you have to be careful if you are FSB overclocking to not let your PCI devices get too far out of spec. The PCI frequency should be kept as close to 33mhz as possible at all times. You can determine your PCI frequency by taking the FSB and multiplying it by the divider. The most common dividers are 1:4, 1:5, and 1:6. For example, your 2500+ runs at 166mhz FSB, so the motherboard will automatically set the PCI divider to 1:5, giving the PCI devices a 33mhz frequency. But if you increase the FSB, the PCI frequency goes up with it. The AGP frequency is another thing to watch out for. It is found by doubling the PCI frequency, and as you have probably guessed needs to be kept as close to 66mhz as possible. Everytime you increase the FSB 5mhz, the PCI will go up 1mhz and the AGP will go up 2mhz. Get it?

*Ignore the above paragraph if you have a PCI/AGP lock on your motherboard*

Another thing you need to watch out for is yoru RAM frequency. The RAM frequency is equal to the FSB (unless you have a motherboard which allows you to set it independently, but I don't recommend this as it is proven to give lesser performance than when the RAM is "in sync" with the FSB). Again, once you give your system specs we will be able to tell you what your RAM frequency should be. It is alright to overclock your RAM, just make sure you are constantly stress testing. Your RAM or CPU will cause a system lockup on a stress test long before you get the frequency high enough to the point where it would damage your hardware, providing you overclock in small steps.

If your system locks up or reboots while stress testing you have two options. You can either back the frequency down a bit until it is perfectly stable (Prime95 can run for 24 hours straight), or you can increase the voltage.
IMPORTANT: Increasing voltage causes your system to run hotter, and if increased too much can kill your system. The stock voltage for a Barton is 1.65v. Depending on your cooling setup (it better be good if you want a high overclock), you are safe taking your vcore (cpu's voltage) to around 1.725v-1.75v. Just check your temps constantly if you up the vcore. You can also increase RAM voltage to make your RAM more stable. This is done in VERY small increments, so be careful or you WILL fry your RAM (I wouldn't increase it more than one notch unless you have some good cooling, and only increase it if absolutely necessary).

Cooling is the single most important factor of overclocking. High speed fans, copper heatsinks, and Arctic Silver thermal compound are your best friends if you are serious about getting a high speed. If you just want a moderate overclock then you can get away with a lesser cooling system (but what fun is that?)

Just do me a favor and keep an eye on your temperatures at all times....

*I am not responsible for any damage done to you or your hardware. Overclocking isn't that risky if you are smart about it, but stuff does get broken. Overclock at your own risk*

Hope this helped, and good luck!!

This deserves a bump. Very nice post.