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How do I know what you see is what I see????

GamerExpress

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If I see the color green and you see the color green how do I know that I don't perceive the color as red?????
 

Frew

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The shades and stuff would be all messed up.


Like yellow is lighter than red.. but if you saw white as my red.. then yeah.
 

edro

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We don't know that the color You see is the same as the rest of us... but colors have frequencies associated with them... so we are all looking at the same frequency.
 

GamerExpress

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Originally posted by: edro13
We don't know that the color You see is the same as the rest of us... but colors have frequencies associated with them... so we are all looking at the same frequency.


Well I know that silly, but that answer is too scientific, it takes the fun out of it.
 

Afrotech

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For some reason this sparked a "color" memory for me... I remember everyone thought that the old Tampa Bay Buccaneers uniforms were horrid... Therefore, we all have to be somewhat close :)
 

DrPizza

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I used to ask that question all the time; so I know exactly what you mean. i.e. How do you know that I don't perceive the sky as the same way you perceive what is called orange. Thanks a friggin lot. I'll probably have a headache thinking about it tonight.
 

xSkyDrAx

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Well if i say that shirt is green and you agree then it's a yes. Dur. Stay off the wacky tobacky.
 

Joemonkey

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I'm red/green colorblind so I have had many a conversation about this.

There really is no way to prove what we see is what others see, other than what has already been mentioned in this thread with light wave frequency. Even thinking about it for fun the only real argument is that when you started to mix colors, eventually you would figure out other people were seeing differently than you. For example, if my yellow is your blue, and my blue is your yellow, you would call yellow and blue green as would I, but would your orange look like my purple?

Who knows, maybe everyone DID see differently way back when, and evolution squirted out what works "best"
 

HonkeyDonk

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Originally posted by: GamerExpress
If I see the color green and you see the color green how do I know that I don't perceive the color as red?????

I've always wondered the same thing.

Like what I look at to me is BLUE. And when you look at it, you see BLUE as well, but if I were to see your blue, it would be my RED or something.

That'd be weird huh?
 

SurgicalShark

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Originally posted by: GamerExpress
If I see the color green and you see the color green how do I know that I don't perceive the color as red?????

Your statement is logically incorrect.

If you say that "you see in green" it means that you exactly know definition of green, so your later claim does not hold.
 

TBone48

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It doesn't matter if we see the same thing as long as we percieve that the color is the same. If we both agree a thing is green, then it's green.
 

Juice Box

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simple....

I think/say a Red marker is red......I draw with it, and someone else says "thats red!"....we both are on the same page color-wise
 

Crono

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If you think too much about this stuff your head will explode and/or you will spontaneously combust. Don't believe me? Go ahead... keep thinking about it ;)
 

Juice Box

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Originally posted by: Crono
If you think too much about this stuff your head will explode and/or you will spontaneously combust. Don't believe me? Go ahead... keep thinking about it ;)

what color will his blood be? :evil:
 

GML3G0

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And you could all be a figment of my imagination and you all don't really exist. doooooo dooo doooooo doo. :confused:
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
I'm red/green colorblind so I have had many a conversation about this.

Hey, me too. I have a shirt that for two years I thought was brown and orange. One day someone mentions something about it being green. I'm like WTF!
I still maintain that it's brown, because to me, it is. Everyone else is under the delusion that it's green.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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What you're touching on is the problem of solipsism. What the problem reveals is the fact that all of our ideas about distinctiveness and "seperate-ness" in reality totally lack objective bases. In other words, in our day-to-day lives we operate under the presumption that reality is compartmentalized into neat little object-packages each distinct from the next. That idea is in fact as unprovably false as it is unprovably true.

In other other words, it is just as objectively true to say that nothing is separate -- that all is one. You are me, and he is she, and this is that and all are one. The divisions only exist in our minds.
 

TBone48

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Originally posted by: Garth
What you're touching on is the problem of solipsism. What the problem reveals is the fact that all of our ideas about distinctiveness and "seperate-ness" in reality totally lack objective bases. In other words, in our day-to-day lives we operate under the presumption that reality is compartmentalized into neat little object-packages each distinct from the next. That idea is in fact as unprovably false as it is unprovably true.

In other other words, it is just as objectively true to say that nothing is separate -- that all is one. You are me, and he is she, and this is that and all are one. The divisions only exist in our minds.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together... goo goo gachoob

John Lennon lives on ATOT!
 

GamerExpress

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Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
Well if i say that shirt is green and you agree then it's a yes. Dur. Stay off the wacky tobacky.


Here is a good example used earlier in the thred by DR. Pizza

i.e. How do you know that I don't perceive the sky as the same way you perceive what is called orange.
 

sswingle

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You all are thinking too hard. But then it suddenly occured to me. So if I have a ball, that is, without a doubt red. I see it as red. However, someone else, when looking at that ball, sees it in their eyes as green. But this is how they have seen things their entire lives, and have learned that particular color is called red, and will still say, yup, that ball is red. Is that what ya'll are talking about?