How do I identify Taiyo Yuden CDR media?

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Hey, all. I heard that cyanine Taiyo Yuden CDRs are the most reliable out there. Is that true? If so, how do I distinguish them from other manufacturers? I figure I'd get them at Newegg, but I'm open to other vendors, so long as they're reputable.

Anyway, I could use some suggestions. Thanks in advance!

 

[Bozo Galora]

Tayop Yudens are thought to be the the best by most in the know.

This has been repeated here 100 times, so once again.............

MADE IN JAPAN (not TAIWAN) FujiFilm 8X +R are TY T02 and will burn at 16X reliably in the top 3 burners.
MADE IN JAPAN (not TAIWAN) FujiFilm 8X -R are TY G02 and will burn at 12X reliably in top 3 burners
BESTBUY sells MIJ FF periodically on sale +R 8X @ $20/50 ($.40)

TY just came out with 16X -R DVD's (TY G03)

www.rima.com for TY LABELED disks (and not counterfeit)

You can use Nero info tool, under disc tab to see what manuf is in drive tray

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Thanks for the info, but I'm looking for CD-R media, not DVD+/-R.

 

[Bozo Galora]

Same thing goes for CDR

FujiFilm 48X/52X Made in Japan are TY 97m24s01f as shown in Nero info tool, disc tab

or Rima
or
http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-cd-r-media-cdr-media.html

 

[Nocturnal]

I don't see why you'd need superior CD-R discs, CompUSA or Sony branded CD-Rs work just fine. When it comes time for DVDRs then you look to TY.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
Tayop Yudens are thought to be the the best by most in the know.

This has been repeated here 100 times, so once again.............

MADE IN JAPAN (not TAIWAN) FujiFilm 8X +R are TY T02 and will burn at 16X reliably in the top 3 burners.
MADE IN JAPAN (not TAIWAN) FujiFilm 8X -R are TY G02 and will burn at 12X reliably in top 3 burners
BESTBUY sells MIJ FF periodically on sale +R 8X @ $20/50 ($.40)

TY just came out with 16X -R DVD's (TY G03)

www.rima.com for TY LABELED disks (and not counterfeit)

You can use Nero info tool, under disc tab to see what manuf is in drive tray

I thought the TYG02 can be burnt at 16x with burners such as Plextors 716SA/A etc?

 

[Bozo Galora]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal


I thought the TYG02 can be burnt at 16x with burners such as Plextors 716SA/A etc?

There is "burned", and "burned well", as in low PIF PI errors, so that they can be read easily by other players.

I am not advocationg my personal preferences to others here, just trying to answer the original posters specific question about TY.
I have looked at scannong graphs in CDFreaks.com until I am woozy from it, and spent hours of my own testing. TY is all there is and +R is all there is.
But thats just me.

HD DVD and Blue Ray will be out in fourth quarter, and there will be 50GB and 100GB discs available, so all of this will mean nothing in a few months.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Thanks for the responses, guys!

I'm still a bit confused, though. Here are NewEgg's Fuji CDR spindles: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...codevalue=874:8093&bop=and&Order=price

How do I determine which are made in Japan, and thus Taiyo Yuden? I can't very well put one in my CD-ROM drive! As for that Rima website, it looks a little strange. I've never heard anything about them, and the CDRs they have str suspiciously cheap, Taiyo Yuden or not. I think I'd like to stick with NewEgg, whose reliability has been proven time and again.

On a side note, the CDR FAQ website tells me that the ATIP data is worthless: http://cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-33

Suggestions?

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
I don't see why you'd need superior CD-R discs, CompUSA or Sony branded CD-Rs work just fine. When it comes time for DVDRs then you look to TY.

Trust me, I need the best. My CD player is a decade old, and very picky about what it decides to play. I also have a discman, which although relatively new, has a weak reading mechanism. 90% of the discs I burn won't play in my decade-old stereo, and half of them won't play in my discman.

As if that weren't enough, I have others to think about. I'm a musician, and so I'm constantly burning CDRs of my music for other people. I need to be sure they can hear it! I trade bootlegs a lot, too, so I don't want to make anyone unhappy by sending them CDRs they can't hear.

I'm surprised anyone would say something like that. What, don't you think performance matters?

 

[Tiamat]

I never believed cd-r brands made a difference. Only when it comes to DVD brands mean something.

I shop at www.supermediastore.com all the time. They have great sales, and they sell TY in spindles.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I never believed cd-r brands made a difference. Only when it comes to DVD brands mean something.

Well, I can assure you, CD-R quality does make a difference. My problem is figuring out how to determine quality before I buy the discs, and not afterwards.

 

[MrChad]

I always use Made In Japan Fujifilm CD-Rs.

CD-R brands do make a difference. I've had off-brand CD-Rs that were unreadable after a year. My high-quality discs are still good several years later.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Indeed. So how do I tell from the NewEgg site whether or not their Fuji CDRs are Taiyo Yuden?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I never believed cd-r brands made a difference. Only when it comes to DVD brands mean something.

Well, I can assure you, CD-R quality does make a difference. My problem is figuring out how to determine quality before I buy the discs, and not afterwards.

Yeah, I had my share of cheap CD-R/RW discs. I had some Memorex CD-RW's awhile back, where the dye layer began to peel away after about 2 months. And I had a bunch of Pacific Digital CD-R's, and those discs couldn't hold more than 50-100MB - anything more than that, and the drive reported a critical write error and aborted the operation.
I did use some Optodisc DVD-R's, and now I wish I hadn't after seeing the Kprobe results. Those lousy discs had error levels about 2x higher than the guidelines mentioned in a CDR-Zone.com article:

Different scanning devices scan slightly differently but basic guidelines using either a Plextor or Liteon drive are that PI errors should not exceed 280 for sustained periods and PI failures should not exceed 4 for sustained periods.

These Optodiscs would give an error level up in the 400 range, with spikes up to 547. The Ritek average was 12.13, with a few spikes up to 110.
I also have some Verbatim discs, made by Mitsubishi Chemical Corp. It averages 62.17, with a few rather high spikes to 307. These error levels are greatly reduced by burning at slower speeds, and I therefore always recommend burning at the slowest speed you can stand to use (and that the media will support, as some medias have a minimum rated speed, due to their chemistry).

 

[cryptonomicon]

they sell authentic TY media at rima.com

they have nice 8x and 16x deals there.

 

[Bozo Galora]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
Thanks for the responses, guys!



How do I determine which are made in Japan, and thus Taiyo Yuden? I can't very well put one in my CD-ROM drive! As for that Rima website, it looks a little strange. I've never heard anything about them, and the CDRs they have str suspiciously cheap, Taiyo Yuden or not. I think I'd like to stick with NewEgg, whose reliability has been proven time and again.



Suggestions?

If you look at the pictures of the Newegg site cake boxes., most have a 1/2" high black plastic base at the bottom, EXCEPT the $17.99 Retail 50 pk. which shows the blue plastic packaging wrap all the way down. This unit comes with multi-color flourescent discs (which I dislike intensely), and note it says for "archival" purposes. These are TY MIJ and are easily spotted by the "bulge" at bottom area, not a black rim.

The $15 unit has blue packaging all the way down also, but has the short base rim - meaning Taiwan.

Once you get the hang of it, its a snap to spot.

Edit: And Rima is the largest distributor of TY labeled disks in the world - you can buy from them in confidence.
All the folks who always mention counterfeits in association with TY are just trying to rain on your parade, because they are too cheap (or poor) to buy the very best. Most fakes were found in Europe under little known brands, and TY has sued 2 vendors for putting false MID's.

FujiFilm is a giant company that cant afford to get bad publicity.

If you want to test longevity, just take out your pocket knife and see how hard it is to scrape off the top coating.

For those REALLY anal about disc life should buy the newly offered 24KT gold plated DVD's offered at $2-$3/ disc for pro archiving services.

 

[lucky9]

I use nothing but TY and usually that means BestBuy Fuji branded made in Japan 50-pack spindles. DVD's also, although I ran accross some Sony branded TY DVD 50-pack spindles at CompUSA awhile back. Bought 200 of them! I'm set till BlueRay or whatever comes along. They do burn beautifully! And I've never had one go bad.