How do I fire someone?

amnesiac

Lifer
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Ok we have this employee, who, for lack of a better phrase, needs to be canned. Soon.
He is utterly incapable of doing his job to any modicum of satisfaction (general officework, aka "secretary").
It makes me sad that he claims to be "very intelligent" yet is unable to complete even the simplest of tasks we assign to him. We're afraid to leave him alone with any work because we know he'll likely botch it up.

He claims to have an engineering background (if CC courses in engineering really count for anything), so perhaps his problem is the "all book smarts, no street smarts" malady that a lot of engineers have, in other words, absolutely ZERO common sense.

Our problem is this. If we fire him, he files for unemployment that we have to pay for. If he resigns, we're in the clear. He seems to be oblivious to the fact that he is a huge liability to our business despite our repeated warnings not to screw things up.

Starting next monday, I aim to suggest that he resign or straight out can him. Anyone have suggestions? I was thinking that I'd appeal to his "higher intellect" and suggest that if he finds a more challenging position that we'll write him a letter of recommendation. That way he's out of our hair, and no one's feelings get hurt.

*EDIT*

Ok, you asked for it.

RANTS:
- Can not type even a simple memo correctly. Ex: Typed a business letter using horrible formatting, unprofessional tone ("Hey, how are you today? I hope this letter finds you in the best of moods!") and typed in ALL CAPS. Signed, *his name*!! Letters from us to clients should NEVER be "from" the secretary. :|

- Can't follow simple instructions to forward / unforward phone service. On line 1: 72*## followed by the number, xxx-xxxx. He gets it wrong every time.

- Can't understand anyone on the phone. Has to ask for names at least 5-10 times FOR EACH CALL. I sit there and listen to him ask that EVERYONE spell their name out letter by letter even if they're one of our contacts who calls several times a day.

- No concept of tact. He keeps striking up conversations with me when one of us is on the phone or in the middle of something.

- Answers phone unprofessionally. Uses way too casual of a tone with important clients. Can't remember names or proper etiquette.

- Makes catastrophic errors. Like mailing Client #1's letter to Client #2 and vice versa. He does this at least 3 times a week.

- Makes mistakes or forgets tasks then denies that they ever existed.

ETC.

 

her209

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Oct 11, 2000
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Just hire someone and have them sitting at his desk the next time he comes in.
 

Konigin

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I generally tie them up and start a large fire under their feet, but you do it your way.....:D
 

fatbaby

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or hire a consultant

and fire him on a friday, studies have shown that firing on fridays reduce the chances of incident
 

bmacd

Lifer
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Unless you're above him (which it doesn't sound like you are, otherwise you'd have taken corrective action already), console him first, treat it as a warning/formal write up. If he continues, then let them seek proper disciplinary action.

-=bmacd=-
 

amnesiac

Lifer
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Originally posted by: her209
Just hire someone and have them sitting at his desk the next time he comes in.

That's the thing. We don't need a replacement, we just don't need him, period.

Originally posted by: bmacd
Unless you're above him (which it doesn't sound like you are, otherwise you'd have taken corrective action already), console him first, treat it as a warning/formal write up. If he continues, then let them seek proper disciplinary action.

Actually, I'm an informal partner in the company. I just don't have the clout to fire him yet. :)
 

bmacd

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Originally posted by: fatbaby
or hire a consultant

and fire him on a friday, studies have shown that firing on fridays reduce the chances of incident

PC Load letter? wtf does PC Load Letter mean?

-=bmacd=-
 

Ylen13

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check your state laws u maybe in clear if u fire because he coudn't perform job to any satisfaction. Also how long have he been working for the company?
 

Skel

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Just be honest with him, and make sure that he understands it's nothing personal... not that it's really going to change his mind that you "screwed" him, but at least he'll be able to deal with it after some time...
 

huey1124

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Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
how much are you paying him?

$9.50 an hour. Waaaaaaaay too much given what his job duties are, IMO.

it may be possible that he thinks he's being underpaid. i'm not saying he is, but that's not much money in California.

and i thought you could only collect unemployment if you're laid off? i don't think he can collect it if you fire him.


 

amnesiac

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: huey1124
Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
how much are you paying him?

$9.50 an hour. Waaaaaaaay too much given what his job duties are, IMO.

it may be possible that he thinks he's being underpaid. i'm not saying he is, but that's not much money in California.

and i thought you could only collect unemployment if you're laid off? i don't think he can collect it if you fire him.

$9.50 is NOT "underpaid" for a menial office job.
And fired == laid off.
And he honestly doesn't have the mental capacity to understand simple job functions. Really. Don't make me list examples.
 

Ylen13

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Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
how much are you paying him?

$9.50 an hour. Waaaaaaaay too much given what his job duties are, IMO.

it may be possible that he thinks he's being underpaid. i'm not saying he is, but that's not much money in California.

and i thought you could only collect unemployment if you're laid off? i don't think he can collect it if you fire him.

$9.50 is NOT "underpaid" for a menial office job.
And fired == laid off.
And he honestly doesn't have the mental capacity to understand simple job functions. Really. Don't make me list examples.

sorry but will have to ask. Parents have company and i sometimes help out.Its transportation and i answear phone sometimes when they are very busy. So what can't he do .Just list couple and also what kind of business is this.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Ok we have this employee, who, for lack of a better phrase, needs to be canned. Soon.
He is utterly incapable of doing his job to any modicum of satisfaction (general officework, aka "secretary").
It makes me sad that he claims to be "very intelligent" yet is unable to complete even the simplest of tasks we assign to him. We're afraid to leave him alone with any work because we know he'll likely botch it up.

He claims to have an engineering background (if CC courses in engineering really count for anything), so perhaps his problem is the "all book smarts, no street smarts" malady that a lot of engineers have, in other words, absolutely ZERO common sense.

Our problem is this. If we fire him, he files for unemployment that we have to pay for. If he resigns, we're in the clear. He seems to be oblivious to the fact that he is a huge liability to our business despite our repeated warnings not to screw things up.

Starting next monday, I aim to suggest that he resign or straight out can him. Anyone have suggestions? I was thinking that I'd appeal to his "higher intellect" and suggest that if he finds a more challenging position that we'll write him a letter of recommendation. That way he's out of our hair, and no one's feelings get hurt.

-make him not like working there;)

If you need more detail pm me.

 

bmacd

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Jan 15, 2001
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Originally posted by: MacBaine
Why don't you just promote him? :D

i swear, that's how my assistant store manager got to where he is now...people didn't want to deal with him, so they promoted him out of their store.

-=bmacd=-
 

Spac3d

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Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
how much are you paying him?

$9.50 an hour. Waaaaaaaay too much given what his job duties are, IMO.

it may be possible that he thinks he's being underpaid. i'm not saying he is, but that's not much money in California.

and i thought you could only collect unemployment if you're laid off? i don't think he can collect it if you fire him.

$9.50 is NOT "underpaid" for a menial office job.
And fired == laid off.
And he honestly doesn't have the mental capacity to understand simple job functions. Really. Don't make me list examples.

Please list examples?:D
 

Aquaman

Lifer
Dec 17, 1999
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Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
how much are you paying him?

$9.50 an hour. Waaaaaaaay too much given what his job duties are, IMO.

it may be possible that he thinks he's being underpaid. i'm not saying he is, but that's not much money in California.

and i thought you could only collect unemployment if you're laid off? i don't think he can collect it if you fire him.

$9.50 is NOT "underpaid" for a menial office job.
And fired == laid off.
And he honestly doesn't have the mental capacity to understand simple job functions. Really. Don't make me list examples.

I don't know about Cali but here is you fire with "cause" the nyou don't have to pay unemployment.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Dudd

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Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
Originally posted by: huey1124
how much are you paying him?

$9.50 an hour. Waaaaaaaay too much given what his job duties are, IMO.

it may be possible that he thinks he's being underpaid. i'm not saying he is, but that's not much money in California.

and i thought you could only collect unemployment if you're laid off? i don't think he can collect it if you fire him.

$9.50 is NOT "underpaid" for a menial office job.
And fired == laid off.
And he honestly doesn't have the mental capacity to understand simple job functions. Really. Don't make me list examples.

We want examples, if only to point and laugh.

 

Maetryx

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You probably need legal advice. I suggest you invest $150 into an attorney before you make any decisions. If it helps you get rid of this guy without problems, it will be a seriously good investment.
 

amnesiac

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Ok, you asked for it.

RANTS:
- Can not type even a simple memo correctly. Ex: Typed a business letter using horrible formatting, unprofessional tone ("Hey, how are you today? I hope this letter finds you in the best of moods!") and typed in ALL CAPS. Signed, *his name*!! Letters from us to clients should NEVER be "from" the secretary. :|

- Can't follow simple instructions to forward / unforward phone service. On line 1: 72*## followed by the number, xxx-xxxx. He gets it wrong every time.

- Can't understand anyone on the phone. Has to ask for names at least 5-10 times FOR EACH CALL. I sit there and listen to him ask that EVERYONE spell their name out letter by letter even if they're one of our contacts who calls several times a day.

- No concept of tact. He keeps striking up conversations with me when one of us is on the phone or in the middle of something.

- Answers phone unprofessionally. Uses way too casual of a tone with important clients. Can't remember names or proper etiquette.

- Makes catastrophic errors. Like mailing Client #1's letter to Client #2 and vice versa. He does this at least 3 times a week.

- Makes mistakes or forgets tasks then denies that they ever existed.

ETC.

 

gotsmack

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Mar 4, 2001
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fired is differet from being laid off. You can't collect unemployment in NJ if you are fired for neglecting your duties. How long has he been around? You should fire him by:

1. Walking up to him and say "You're fired, get out. NOW!"
2. Write "You're Fired" on a baloon, deflate it and then tell him to inflate it.
3. Throw him a "Supprise! You're Fired!" party.
4. Announce over the office intercom system "The following people named in alphabetical order have been terminated: 1. John Smith. That is all, thank you"