How do God Believers deal with Dinosaurs.. .

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Now I see where you are misunderstanding me. I am not inserting God into any random situation that cannot currently be explained. In fact my position on the issue is pretty clear. You are the one muddying things up by ASSuming that I apply him to situations I don't.

eg: We believe there is a graviton particle involved in gravity but we can't find it. So therefore God causes gravity. No... That is not what I'm saying.

Ok, gotcha. And yes i did ass/u/me, but you werent being very clear either. 😉 So, when do you apply your faith-based perspectives versus objective ones in evaluating new information?

I'm guessing this is the question you called me out on in the other thread. Kind of a silly question as I've already answered it but I'll do it again for the reading comprehension impared...

What is science? Basically it's the pursuit to find out how things work. Biology, geology, cosmology, physics, chemistry... You take acquired and proven knowledge and apply it to unknown situations to try and find the answer.

My faith based perspectives have to do with creation and little else. (scroll up for my views on this subject) I view science as the natural progression of human curiosity. We like (need!) to know how things work. Everything from the exact structure of an atom to how galaxies are formed to the reproductive habits of ground squirrels.

When I read that God created us in his image I don't see that as taking on a physical resemblance. I think of it as an intellectual resemblance. We have the power to choose right from wrong. Pretty simple but we still get it wrong a lot. We also have the power to explore and examine our surroundings. At first it was little more than figuring out how to make fire so we wouldn't freeze to death. Today it's trying to unravel the universe. When we do that... when we know how everything works... we will have attained his level of intellect... we will have achieved his goal and he will have created us in his image. We are compelled to do it. The human desire for discovery is insatiable.

Science will help us to unravel God and at the same time, bring us closer to him.



Or we're all here by some big happy accident and as a species we're just naturally curious. But that is something that each of us has to decide for ourselves.

 

[dmcowen674]

Did Jesus die for the Dinos too since they were both obviously here at the same time???

 

[Red Dawn]

Jesus Rides

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Did Jesus die for the Dinos too since they were both obviously here at the same time???

Animals live solely by instinct. They live to eat, sleep and procreate. If one is to believe this then you can say that they do not have free will. They are doing what they are born to do. Animals can learn behaviors that can help them achieve eat, sleep and procreate. Otherwise animals just are.

A trait that really separates humans from animals is greed. Humans always want more. More money. More power. More Technology. More knowledge.

When is the last time you saw a beaver build a huge monster dam and then charge admission?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Did Jesus die for the Dinos too since they were both obviously here at the same time???

Animals live solely by instinct. They live to eat, sleep and procreate. If one is to believe this then you can say that they do not have free will. They are doing what they are born to do. Animals can learn behaviors that can help them achieve eat, sleep and procreate. Otherwise animals just are.

A trait that really separates humans from animals is greed. Humans always want more. More money. More power. More Technology. More knowledge.

When is the last time you saw a beaver build a huge monster dam and then charge admission?

Favorite line from Dragnet. "There are two things that separate man from animal. The ability to use silverware (can't remember the exact word there) and the ability to control our sexual desires.."

Actually, animals are as much a creation of God as we are. Just as we must be redeemed to return to his presence, so must animals. As far as what that entales, I don't know. Personally, I think there is more to animals than we currently understand, but that is my opinion. However, it is scripturally spoken that animals will be in heaven. I just have no idea how it will work out for them.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Did Jesus die for the Dinos too since they were both obviously here at the same time???

Animals live solely by instinct. They live to eat, sleep and procreate. If one is to believe this then you can say that they do not have free will. They are doing what they are born to do. Animals can learn behaviors that can help them achieve eat, sleep and procreate. Otherwise animals just are.

A trait that really separates humans from animals is greed. Humans always want more. More money. More power. More Technology. More knowledge.

When is the last time you saw a beaver build a huge monster dam and then charge admission?

Favorite line from Dragnet. "There are two things that separate man from animal. The ability to use silverware (can't remember the exact word there) and the ability to control our sexual desires.."

Actually, animals are as much a creation of God as we are. Just as we must be redeemed to return to his presence, so must animals. As far as what that entales, I don't know. Personally, I think there is more to animals than we currently understand, but that is my opinion. However, it is scripturally spoken that animals will be in heaven. I just have no idea how it will work out for them.

Of course animals will be in heaven. How else will we have good BBQ?

 

[fjord]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: fjord
Newsflash:
Look just beneath the scaly, feathery or furry surface of any extant reptile and you find yourself looking down the barrel of a dinosaur (Note: mammals and birds are both reptiles; Yes Virginia we humans are reptiles--Mammalia is really a subclass within the Class reptilia).

That is to say, the difference between any-ol' saurian and an archosauria is pretty narrow, and to my eyes trivial.

You may want to reevaluate your post... Link We're not reptiles... We're part of the Superclass that includes reptiles.

Big difference.

Look at your wikepedia link again.

Mammalia is listed as a Class--just like all general textbooks have it. In the Evolutionary literature--you have a picture that more closely fits the facts. Vis-a-vis mammals are descended along the lineage line of the reptilia.

Call your local University--talk to workers in the field. Wikipedia won't help you much,

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Did Jesus die for the Dinos too since they were both obviously here at the same time???

Animals live solely by instinct. They live to eat, sleep and procreate. If one is to believe this then you can say that they do not have free will. They are doing what they are born to do. Animals can learn behaviors that can help them achieve eat, sleep and procreate. Otherwise animals just are.

A trait that really separates humans from animals is greed. Humans always want more. More money. More power. More Technology. More knowledge.

When is the last time you saw a beaver build a huge monster dam and then charge admission?

Favorite line from Dragnet. "There are two things that separate man from animal. The ability to use silverware (can't remember the exact word there) and the ability to control our sexual desires.."

Actually, animals are as much a creation of God as we are. Just as we must be redeemed to return to his presence, so must animals. As far as what that entales, I don't know. Personally, I think there is more to animals than we currently understand, but that is my opinion. However, it is scripturally spoken that animals will be in heaven. I just have no idea how it will work out for them.

We use "cutlery". 😉

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: fjord

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: fjord
Newsflash:
Look just beneath the scaly, feathery or furry surface of any extant reptile and you find yourself looking down the barrel of a dinosaur (Note: mammals and birds are both reptiles; Yes Virginia we humans are reptiles--Mammalia is really a subclass within the Class reptilia).

That is to say, the difference between any-ol' saurian and an archosauria is pretty narrow, and to my eyes trivial.

You may want to reevaluate your post... Link We're not reptiles... We're part of the Superclass that includes reptiles.

Big difference.

Look at your wikepedia link again.

Mammalia is listed as a Class--just like all general textbooks have it. In the Evolutionary literature--you have a picture that more closely fits the facts. Vis-a-vis mammals are descended along the lineage line of the reptilia.

Call your local University--talk to workers in the field. Wikipedia won't help you much,

So I have to call my loal university? Sounds like work. How about you provide a link.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Now I see where you are misunderstanding me. I am not inserting God into any random situation that cannot currently be explained. In fact my position on the issue is pretty clear. You are the one muddying things up by ASSuming that I apply him to situations I don't.

eg: We believe there is a graviton particle involved in gravity but we can't find it. So therefore God causes gravity. No... That is not what I'm saying.

Ok, gotcha. And yes i did ass/u/me, but you werent being very clear either. 😉 So, when do you apply your faith-based perspectives versus objective ones in evaluating new information?

I'm guessing this is the question you called me out on in the other thread. Kind of a silly question as I've already answered it but I'll do it again for the reading comprehension impared...

What is science? Basically it's the pursuit to find out how things work. Biology, geology, cosmology, physics, chemistry... You take acquired and proven knowledge and apply it to unknown situations to try and find the answer.

My faith based perspectives have to do with creation and little else. (scroll up for my views on this subject) I view science as the natural progression of human curiosity. We like (need!) to know how things work. Everything from the exact structure of an atom to how galaxies are formed to the reproductive habits of ground squirrels.

When I read that God created us in his image I don't see that as taking on a physical resemblance. I think of it as an intellectual resemblance. We have the power to choose right from wrong. Pretty simple but we still get it wrong a lot. We also have the power to explore and examine our surroundings. At first it was little more than figuring out how to make fire so we wouldn't freeze to death. Today it's trying to unravel the universe. When we do that... when we know how everything works... we will have attained his level of intellect... we will have achieved his goal and he will have created us in his image. We are compelled to do it. The human desire for discovery is insatiable.

Science will help us to unravel God and at the same time, bring us closer to him.



Or we're all here by some big happy accident and as a species we're just naturally curious. But that is something that each of us has to decide for ourselves.

Yes, getting a coherent post out of you is like pulling teeth.

Ok, so now that you have finally clarified your perspective i can say that i understand. 🙂 Grazie. I just wonder how your faith in a creator will hold up as we discover more information about the origins of life.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

They put them in their SUVs

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Did Jesus die for the Dinos too since they were both obviously here at the same time???

Animals live solely by instinct. They live to eat, sleep and procreate. If one is to believe this then you can say that they do not have free will. They are doing what they are born to do. Animals can learn behaviors that can help them achieve eat, sleep and procreate. Otherwise animals just are.

A trait that really separates humans from animals is greed. Humans always want more. More money. More power. More Technology. More knowledge.

When is the last time you saw a beaver build a huge monster dam and then charge admission?

Favorite line from Dragnet. "There are two things that separate man from animal. The ability to use silverware (can't remember the exact word there) and the ability to control our sexual desires.."

Actually, animals are as much a creation of God as we are. Just as we must be redeemed to return to his presence, so must animals. As far as what that entales, I don't know. Personally, I think there is more to animals than we currently understand, but that is my opinion. However, it is scripturally spoken that animals will be in heaven. I just have no idea how it will work out for them.

We use "cutlery". 😉

That was it. Thanks!

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Did Jesus die for the Dinos too since they were both obviously here at the same time???

Animals live solely by instinct. They live to eat, sleep and procreate. If one is to believe this then you can say that they do not have free will. They are doing what they are born to do. Animals can learn behaviors that can help them achieve eat, sleep and procreate. Otherwise animals just are.

A trait that really separates humans from animals is greed. Humans always want more. More money. More power. More Technology. More knowledge.

When is the last time you saw a beaver build a huge monster dam and then charge admission?

Favorite line from Dragnet. "There are two things that separate man from animal. The ability to use silverware (can't remember the exact word there) and the ability to control our sexual desires.."

Actually, animals are as much a creation of God as we are. Just as we must be redeemed to return to his presence, so must animals. As far as what that entales, I don't know. Personally, I think there is more to animals than we currently understand, but that is my opinion. However, it is scripturally spoken that animals will be in heaven. I just have no idea how it will work out for them.

Of course animals will be in heaven. How else will we have good BBQ?

:thumbsup:

 

[Starbuck1975]

I believe in God, evolution and unicorns, and I can rationalize all of it.😀

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Here's what I learned in my 10 years in Sunday School combined with my understanding of the present scientific model of the universe.
...
An amazing rule of physics states that the more we know about an object's speed, the less we know about its location. And the more we know about an objects location, the less we know about its speed. This means that if we manage to pinpoint an object's exact location in time we know absolutely nothing about it's velocity and vice versa. The theory goes that if we could calculate both the speed and location of an object we would be able to predict its path, and how it will interact with other objects and their locations and velocities and so on.... In short, we'd be able to predict the future.

But as it stands we can't do either....

It sounds like you are trying to use a convoluted version of the Uncertainty Principal. As I understand it, it says that you cannot truely know both an object's (a particle's) velocity and
position as you have to take a measurement, but in doing so you inevitably change one of the factors, so the measurements are no longer valid.


I don't see where you are getting to the impossiblity of predicting the future, at least at a reasonable scale as in the example. To acheive perfect prognostication on a enormous timescale you would have to know all factors of everything, therefore its not possible, and there are other factors which play into this as well. Calculation depends on the interaction of one object on another. Computers depend on the electrical functions of transistors specifically arranged in logic gates to process inputs. The nuerons in our brains are an analogous arrangement. Thus the Universe has a finite computational power which cannot exceede the total of all its mass and energy. To calculate the entire universe (ad infinitum no less!) would require a computational summation equal or greater than the universe itself. This energy/matter could not be etherial, and would have to exist independent of our universe...

If anything, what you are suggesting disproves a omniscient God.

This guy put all the matter of the universe into one pin-prick sized mass and fired the cue ball. Not only was he able to put every ball in the pocket (so to speak), he was able to know the exact velocity and location of every particle of matter he put into motion. And not only was he able to track what we can't in the wildest limits of theoretical physics... He did it like he was lining up the eight ball in the corner pocket. He put every sub-atomic particle in the universe into a specific motion. He calculated the exact trajectory, velocity and location of every sub-atomic particle ....

Oddly, your reasoning creates the disproof of your own thesis. You argue against the Simplistic God in favor of the (impossibly) Complex one. Personally, if I would think God would choose to work smarter, not harder. I think it would be more plausible to say God created the process of evolution (among others) as a self-organising system to do the work for him. This of course theologically contradicts the envitablitily and supremacy of humans, the central belief, IMO, which predicates the Diestist's philosophy. I would think it would be more rationally sound to question the validity of this core belief than to have to build implausable and self-contractory theological mechanisms on top of it.

 

[DVK916]

Same way they deal with all of their delusions, blame it on the devil.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't think meterologists are so good, they get forecast wrong like 40% of the time.. at least where I live, cuz we get crazy random weather, 1 day rain next one sunny then rain etc..

Careful there! Don't want to challenge his faith. He is a true believer.

Dude do you have a job? What do you do?

You bother me. Like you have no real answers you just mock people.

 

[Proletariat]

Anyways there is no explanation for Dinosaurs in the Judeo-Christian religions.

I personally am more likely to respect people who believe in a pantheon of 'gods' all showing the different sides of men.

Like the Romans, Greeks and Indians.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

If they can believe in a higher power without any conclusive proof pointing to such a being then they won't have problems making up explanations regarding things that don't correspond to their 'holy book'.