How do British text/history books treat the American Revolution?

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: doze

Originally posted by: Roguestar

Originally posted by: Kanalua
Lived in Northern Ireland for a while, all of the Unionist/Protestants refered to the United States of America as "The Colonies."

We mostly all say "The Yanks" or "The Colonies" if we're being sarcastic.


PS: We're just waiting for america to finally throw a huge tantrum and we'll revoke your independence, send you all to your rooms without dessert and slap the Union Jack all over your important buildings again. You'll spell "color" and "flavor" with Us again and you will learn how to drive with a "stick shift". Also 3:30-4PM each day will be nominated as obligatory "teatime" when everyone stops work for tea and crumpets. I say!

This made me laugh, but a mid afternoon break sounds wonderful

Actually I'd prefer a nap, but tea time works too! ...

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Atheus
Yep:

Britain, soldiers served - 11,115,000, dead/missing - 580,000
USA, soldiers served - 11,260,000, dead/missing - 318,274
Russia, soldiers served - 34,476,700, dead/missing - 8,668,400

So if anything the Russians won the war. That isn't well known on either side of the pond.

It takes at least 5 Russians to equal 1 Brit or American.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: doze

Originally posted by: Roguestar

Originally posted by: Kanalua
Lived in Northern Ireland for a while, all of the Unionist/Protestants refered to the United States of America as "The Colonies."

We mostly all say "The Yanks" or "The Colonies" if we're being sarcastic.


PS: We're just waiting for america to finally throw a huge tantrum and we'll revoke your independence, send you all to your rooms without dessert and slap the Union Jack all over your important buildings again. You'll spell "color" and "flavor" with Us again and you will learn how to drive with a "stick shift". Also 3:30-4PM each day will be nominated as obligatory "teatime" when everyone stops work for tea and crumpets. I say!

This made me laugh, but a mid afternoon break sounds wonderful

I don't object to the above if we can import some of your pubs (with the beer) over here and we can continue to drive on the right side of the road.

 

[Ramma2]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
So basically, they skip the whole ugly hundreds of years of British colonial imperialism and intrusion and jump from ancient rome to WWII. No wonder Brits are so damn snooty.....THEY'RE PERFECT!!!

Yes. Yes we are.


/snoot

LOL. Seriously, in America you leave history class feeling awful about yourself. You go, "Why don't we just give the country back to the Indians.....we stole it from them and don't deserve it" and "People from the South are awful for enslaving black people" and "Poor Mexico never had a chance, what with us having Sam Houston and David Bowie and Johnny Appleseed and all" and "We did WHAT to the Canadian british colonials.....oh man, can't we give them Maine and Minnesota to compensate".

Why you gotta be giving Minnesota away?! Give them ND and WI or something.

<3 Mini Soda

 

[sandorski]

Didn't they call that, The Wanker War and have to remove it from history school books due to Parents objecting to the foul language? :Q

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: Amused

Stalin had murdered any and all great military minds in the purges previous to WWII. He was left with some of the worst military leadership one could ask for when Germany invaded.

Yup...Couldn't have said it better myself!

No, he basically cut down on his army, which is never good for any country. But he lived on a dictatorship, so it was smart for him. Note how the dictators always have small armies in case generals try to overrun them? We're lucky we live in free societies where the people is controlled not by fear but the government is controlled by the people.
But Russia had a tactical genius, he used the rocket launchers to deadly effect at the late 44's. I forget his name, but he was quite something. Russians were very untrained, because there were so many of them. Thats all generals could afford to do with them. They did have some pretty good weapons. Good for street fighting anyway.

Um, no. Most of the USSR's military leadership was murdered or imprisoned during the purges.

The motive for doing so was Stalin's intense paranoia, nothing more. Your history sucks.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch20.htm

Then purges began among others in the Army officer corps and in the Navy. Including Tukhachevsky and those executed with him, before it was over the Soviet Union had lost 3 army marshals, 14 of the Soviet Union's 16 army commanders, 65 of 67 corps commanders; 136 of 199 division commanders, 221 of 397 brigade commanders, and all eight of the Soviet Union's admirals. In all, about 35,000 military officers had been shot or imprisoned.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: DVK916
Not everywhere in the U.S is one sided. In my H.S and college we use Howards Zinn book which is very critical of the U.S, hell my H.S teacher even did this thing on the evils of american history. All of the evil things the U.S did, like massacare over 500,000 women and children in the filipines. How we nuked Japan for no good reason. Stuff you don't get in alot of other class rooms.

Yeah, that sounds like a unbiased book :roll:

Before the nuke Japan offered a conditional surrender. The U.S and Allies refused to accept a conditional surrender.

What were the Japanese conditions?

What? You don't know?

Wow. :roll:

May have been stated already but there should never be an instance where the loser gets to set any of its conditions of surrender. To the victor, go the spoils.

 

[Doom Machine]

what would america be like without the revolutionary war right now?

i think american schools are biased in what they teach. for instance all americans learn of african slaves here in america but never of caucasion,asian or any other slavery all over the world, all wars are from the american perspective, not others...suppose thats why its called "american history" but even world history was 1 sided

 

[Parasitic]

This is such a dumb arse question...most likely American history would be an elective of some sort in English schools and not something mandatory, like it is with European or whatever rest of the world history over here in the State. And pretty much chances are American history textbooks are written by Americans or somebody who specialize in American history, so it's pretty much up to interpretation (probably something along the line of glorifying American independence if the author is American, else something ridiculing the stupidity of American society in some way).

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Parasitic
This is such a dumb arse question...most likely American history would be an elective of some sort in English schools and not something mandatory, like it is with European or whatever rest of the world history over here in the State. And pretty much chances are American history textbooks are written by Americans or somebody who specialize in American history, so it's pretty much up to interpretation (probably something along the line of glorifying American independence if the author is American, else something ridiculing the stupidity of American society in some way).

An interesting sidebar to that. One of the better US History texts (in my opinion) is A History of the American People by Paul Johnson. He also happens to be British, and not a specialist just in American History, though it is an area of interest to him. It's a great counter/compliment to Zinn's work, providing some balance where it's desperately needed.

 

[0roo0roo]

i remember a while back i heard a book about such differences in textbooks and how different countries have different histories taught to their children, it was on npr, but i forget the books name

stuff is wack, like in france they don't teach that the wright brothers were the first to fly etc.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: DVK916
Most people in the U.S don't learn that Russia was preparing for a million+ troops to invade Japan.

Yep:

Britain, soldiers served - 11,115,000, dead/missing - 580,000

USA, soldiers served - 11,260,000, dead/missing - 318,274

Russia, soldiers served - 34,476,700, dead/missing - 8,668,400

So if anything the Russians won the war. That isn't well known on either side of the pond.

the russians helped start it, they were pretty much allied with hitler before he turned on them, they helped each other, the twits. as for numbers, they lost so many because thats what they had to resort to. made up for inferior command with superior numbers. contribution isn't based only on numbers because that penalizes smarter fighting. as said, if one side uses their troops as expendable mine sweepers, the side that doesn't do such things isn't inferior in contribution.

as for history, check out this book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao:_The_Unknown_Story
http://www.amazon.com/Mao-Story-Jung-Chang/dp/0679422714
the mainland chinese definetly don't get the real story on their leader, who was as bad as hitler.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.amazon.com/History-Lessons-Textbooks-Around-Portray/dp/B000I2J22W

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://www.amazon.com/History-Lessons-Textbooks-Around-Portray/dp/B000I2J22W

Good find. On order with a couple others linked from there. Thanks.

 

[Gulzakar]

Brits in WW2:

Excellent Planning
Excellent Intelligence
Excellent Fighter Planes

Horrible Teeth.