How did you become an atheist?

[guyver01]

Well science cannot explain how it all came to be....even many of the leading minds of modern society have come to that conclusion.

TODAY it cannot

1500 years ago, science could not explain how we were not the center of the universe.

Imagine what Science could explain tomorrow?


Hell... don't the religious types believe the earth was created 10,000 years ago?

How do you discount the fossil record showing that the earth came into existence millions of years ago??


I really hate the "i cant explain it .. so it must be magic" belief.

it's full of ignorance.

 

[Howard]

Agnostics believe it is impossible to know whether or not there is a god. I don't think this sort of thinking is going on in a newborn child's mind.

Phrased that way, you'd be correct, but it's certainly more true for a baby than the belief that the existence of God is impossible.

 

[Angry Irishman]

TODAY it cannot

1500 years ago, science could not explain how we were not the center of the universe.

Imagine what Science could explain tomorrow?


Hell... don't the religious types believe the earth was created 10,000 years ago?

How do you discount the fossil record showing that the earth came into existence millions of years ago??


I really hate the "i cant explain it .. so it must be magic" belief.

it's full of ignorance.

Well there's an argument to be had for both sides of this.

Saying that religious types believe the Earth was created 10K ago doesn't really strengthen your side of the discussion and actually makes you sound as though your ideas are without dispute. Neither does the argument that 10K years from now man will understand why we exist. It's just as empty of an argument and it isn't a solid rationale.

I really hate the "science will explain this" so there must be a black and white expansion belief.

In my opinion man will continue to expand his scientific knowledge but the fact that the world around us is so complex and ever changing makes the argument to many that there is a God. I very much doubt that now or in the future man will ever fully understand how something came from nothing.

Religious folks utilize something called faith and come they exist in many different varieties.

 

[guyver01]

Neither does the argument that 10K years from now man will understand why we exist. It's just as empty of an argument and it isn't a solid rationale.

I really hate the "science will explain this" so there must be a black and white expansion belief.

Except with religion.... it ALWAYS will be "god created this... end of story" .. where science accepts that TODAY i may not be able to explain this... but TOMORROW i might. It is the ability to grow one's belief that gives Science the edge.

Religion will NEVER believe god didn't create something. Religion always falls back to the "you must have faith" argument.

the fact that the world around us is so complex and ever changing makes the argument to many that there is a God.

Fire was so "complex" that people thought it was magic.

is your stove magic?

 

[Angry Irishman]

Except with religion.... it ALWAYS will be "god created this... end of story" .. where science accepts that TODAY i may not be able to explain this... but TOMORROW i might. It is the ability to grow one's belief that gives Science the edge.

Religion will NEVER believe god didn't create something. Religion always falls back to the "you must have faith" argument.




Fire was so "complex" that people thought it was magic.

is your stove magic?

that's not keeping your boat afloat....

You are saying the same thing on the opposite side of the discussion.

All your stating is that science will always provide an expansion...end of story...just not yet.

Basically the same thing. In fact, you could say you have "faith" in science.

 

[guyver01]

In fact, you could say you have "faith" in science.

I understand science will provide a logical explanation for everything.

Science provides an explanation for how fire is created. 10,000 years ago, Science was not able to. Science eventually became able to. As our species grows in knowledge... so does our science understanding.

Science will eventually provide an explanation for how the planet... the universe... came into existence.


Are you able to say the same thing about religion? can religion explain how the planet came to be.. without saying "the invisible man who i cannot see made it" ?

no. you cannot.

 

[sandorski]

God of the Gaps. Used to be that the Gaps were huge encompassing the whole Universe except for some microscopic slivers of Understanding. As we learned, reasoned, and eventually developed Science, those gaps have shrunk dramatically. They will continue to shrink and what Deists point to now as their reason to Believe, will one day be Known and the people of that time will /facepalm such ridiculous positions. I'm sure there will still be Deists at that time and they too will be going, "but the Gaps!" and some even future people will /facepalm them.

Lack of Understanding equating "There is a God" is a classic Argument from Ignorance. "I don't get it, therefor God!" is just lazy and ignorant.

 

[Angry Irishman]

I understand science will provide a logical explanation for everything.

Science provides an explanation for how fire is created. 10,000 years ago, Science was not able to. Science eventually became able to. As our species grows in knowledge... so does our science understanding.

Science will eventually provide an explanation for how the planet... the universe... came into existence.


Are you able to say the same thing about religion? can religion explain how the planet came to be.. without saying "the invisible man who i cannot see made it" ?

no. you cannot.

You are just restating the same thing over and over. I suppose I am as well.

In the end you are just worshiping science and I and many who have faith understand and believe it's OK to not know everything. Yes, man now understand fire and may very well understand the universe but will never be able to explain everything....especially why we exist at all.

It's just as ignorant/arrogant to state that science will explain everything especially when we don't know everything.

Why is it that most of the atheist I run across are so anti-religious? All atheists are doing is worshiping science and advertising that science will over come all....prove that logic scientifically.

To each their own....

 

[guyver01]

It's just as ignorant/arrogant to state that science will explain everything especially when we don't know everything.

it's arrogant to state "well.. since i dont understand it now... it must be the work of the boogey man"

Do you understand IP Routing? Does that mean it's the work of "god" ..

if you open up a web browser and google appears... is that god making google appear?

All atheists are doing is worshiping science and advertising that science will over come all....prove that logic scientifically.

Science is CONSTANTLY expanding our knowledge of what we know.

Religion has stayed with the same belief for 2,000 years.

Hell.. the "book" you claim to worship and tells the story of your god... wasn't even written until 500 years ago.

 

[So]

You are just restating the same thing over and over. I suppose I am as well.

In the end you are just worshiping science and I and many who have faith understand and believe it's OK to not know everything. Yes, man now understand fire and may very well understand the universe but will never be able to explain everything....especially why we exist at all.

It's just as ignorant/arrogant to state that science will explain everything especially when we don't know everything.

Why is it that most of the atheist I run across are so anti-religious? All atheists are doing is worshiping science and advertising that science will over come all....prove that logic scientifically.

To each their own....

What makes you think "why do we exist?" has an answer any more than "why is the moon made of five?" (no, that's not a typo).

It's a nonsense question that presumes an answer.

Science is a means of understanding the universe. Ultimately, science can answer the question "is this real" about anything in the universe with one of three responses:
1. Yes.
2. As far as we can tell, no.
3. We don't know yet.

Things like trees fall into category 1.
Things like psychic powers fall into category 2.
Things like wormholes fall into category 3.

The problem with the "god" argument is that people don't define terms. Science answers precise questions precisely. If the question is "Does the god Yahweh exist as described in the Bible?" the answer is #2. But many moderate Christians either refuse to define their god or define it in such a way as to be indistinguishable from nonexistence (he does not interact with the physical world and only influences events in a way statistically indistinguishable from random chance). Science can say nothing about such claims, and many scientists stop right there.

Many atheists, however, feel that arguing for such a position makes the arguer either intellectually dishonest or a fool.

Edit: If you truly think Atheists are "worshiping" science, you neither understand science nor atheists.

 

[coreyb]

You are just restating the same thing over and over. I suppose I am as well.

In the end you are just worshiping science and I and many who have faith understand and believe it's OK to not know everything. Yes, man now understand fire and may very well understand the universe but will never be able to explain everything....especially why we exist at all.

It's just as ignorant/arrogant to state that science will explain everything especially when we don't know everything.

Why is it that most of the atheist I run across are so anti-religious? All atheists are doing is worshiping science and advertising that science will over come all....prove that logic scientifically.

To each their own....

science doesn't explain everything, but it blows away all religions as just a bunch of fodder and fairy tales. you would have to be an idiot to understand science yet believe in the bible.

 

[Angry Irishman]

it's arrogant to state "well.. since i dont understand it now... it must be the work of the boogey man"

Do you understand IP Routing? Does that mean it's the work of "god" ..

if you open up a web browser and google appears... is that god making google appear?




Science is CONSTANTLY expanding our knowledge of what we know.

Religion has stayed with the same belief for 2,000 years.

Hell.. the "book" you claim to worship and tells the story of your god... wasn't even written until 500 years ago.

This isn't an argument that either of us is going to change the others perspective.

And again, you generalize way too much about the "book" and those religious types who think the world was created 10K years ago. Shit, you don't even know me so don't claim to understand/proclaim what I believe. That's some ignorance right there.

I'll leave it at this....scientifically prove there isn't a God. You can't and never will be able to. ...not even 10K years from now. I can't either but I don't have to...I have faith and science and between those I know which one is more important.

To each there own...I'm done.

 

[guyver01]

scientifically prove there isn't a God.

i dont have to. i dont need to prove a figment of someone's imagination doesn't exist.

I can't either but I don't have to

and this is why scientific types hate religious cooks.

you prove it. but i dont have to.

i dont have to either.

 

[Newbian]

Fire was so "complex" that people thought it was magic.

is your stove magic?

Yes it is... I place in there a chicken and out comes a magically delicious meal.

You got a problem with that??? :awe:

 

[guyver01]

Yes it is... I place in there a chicken and out comes a magically delicious meal.

You got a problem with that??? :awe:

nope. cuz i'm a magician

 

[Angry Irishman]

sorry couldn't help it....

 

[sandorski]

troll fail

 

[qliveur]

I am an agnostic, because I possess the humility to admit that I can't prove whether or not a god exists.

 

[caddlad]

I know....so lets talk about something else.

I don't give a damn if someone is a priest or an atheist. The topic is getting old.

 

[nCred]

I had an epiphany.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Isn't everyone born an athiest and indoctrinated into whatever religion their parents/family/friends/peers have...

 

[mk]

My parents had sex and I was born 9 months later. Obviously a lot of things happened before that lead to that.

 

[mk]

I am an agnostic, because I possess the humility to admit that I can't prove whether or not a god exists.

Most people probably would admit that they can't conclusively prove the (non)existence of gods. Theism and atheism are about whether or not you actually believe in them.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Not so much....

 

[Murloc]

I never had real faith, I went to church but thought that praying didn't make sense.
After confirmation I just stopped going to church since with high school I had to study and do homework (before it wasn't really needed and I had too much time).