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How did the media pull it off. Turning teachers,firefighters into the enemy #1

Hugo Drax

Hugo Drax

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In the beginning the Tea party, and the regular American Joe six pack were all asking for heads the "Evil bankers and Wall street folk" and enemy #1 was the Big Bankers (ie GS etc..)

The American public was upset about the bailouts, lemon socialism handed to the bankers when they made a bad bet. the classic privatizing profits, socializing losses.

Then somehow the real enemy has become the average teacher, firefighter and cop etc.. They are now the "Evil enemy" The Tea party and Joe Six pack have forgotten about Wall street and now the enemy is some elementary school teacher.

Seems like a perfect execution of changing the message.
 
I think you have it backwards. When people started protesting unions, suddenly we were told that unions ONLY consisted of frizzle-haired teachers, valiant firefighters, and disabled cops.

I say I don't like the way unions operate in the public sector, and I am told that I hate firefighters.

How about that? Sound more like reality?
 
LOL, the media is against the unions, teachers and firefighters? What media are you watching?
 
PeshakJang said:
I think you have it backwards. When people started protesting unions, suddenly we were told that unions ONLY consisted of frizzle-haired teachers, valiant firefighters, and disabled cops.

I say I don't like the way unions operate in the public sector, and I am told that I hate firefighters.

How about that? Sound more like reality?
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32K starting salary for someone with a 4 year degree seems pretty shitty.

http://public.doe.k12.ga.us/DMGetDo...E57A897E0992CBB5C6E98D9C876D4039A47BA0&Type=D


I just keep hearing the same about these wealthy elementary teachers destroying our economy.

And Joe Six pack seems to believe the reason our economy is in the shitter is because of the evil elementary teacher.
 
Hugo Drax said:
In the beginning the Tea party, and the regular American Joe six pack were all asking for heads the "Evil bankers and Wall street folk" and enemy #1 was the Big Bankers (ie GS etc..)

The American public was upset about the bailouts, lemon socialism handed to the bankers when they made a bad bet. the classic privatizing profits, socializing losses.

Then somehow the real enemy has become the average teacher, firefighter and cop etc.. They are now the "Evil enemy" The Tea party and Joe Six pack have forgotten about Wall street and now the enemy is some elementary school teacher.

Seems like a perfect execution of changing the message.
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Tea party was about taxes, not Wall street.
Taxed
Enough
Already

Remember? You have them confused with OWS.
 
Hugo Drax said:
Then somehow the real enemy has become the average teacher, firefighter and cop etc.. They are now the "Evil enemy" The Tea party and Joe Six pack have forgotten about Wall street and now the enemy is some elementary school teacher.
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Not sure what you've been huffing, apparently something pretty strong. The left wing media has done an excellent job making any attempt to curb unsustainable benefits and waste to public sector unions seem like a direct attack on heroic teachers/firefighters/cops.
 
If you work for the government then you dont have the right to strike unless the government lets you have it. It is the government that is the problem.
 
Hugo Drax said:
32K starting salary for someone with a 4 year degree seems pretty shitty.

http://public.doe.k12.ga.us/DMGetDo...E57A897E0992CBB5C6E98D9C876D4039A47BA0&Type=D


I just keep hearing the same about these wealthy elementary teachers destroying our economy.

And Joe Six pack seems to believe the reason our economy is in the shitter is because of the evil elementary teacher.
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Starting salary at Bank of America is minimum wage.... Yet all I hear about are these wealthy bank employees destroying the economy....

Explain that?
 
PeshakJang said:
Starting salary at Bank of America is minimum wage.... Yet all I hear about are these wealthy bank employees destroying the economy....

Explain that?
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This is about as nonsensical as the Chewbacca Defense.

You might as well have said, "I had a virus that barely made me cough.... Yet all I hear is that disease can kill people....

Explain that?"
 
McWatt said:
This is about as nonsensical as the Chewbacca Defense.

You might as well have said, "I had a virus that barely made me cough.... Yet all I hear is that disease can kill people....

Explain that?"
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Pay attention to what's going on in the thread and my statement makes perfect sense. Try to keep up.
 
McWatt said:
This is about as nonsensical as the Chewbacca Defense.

You might as well have said, "I had a virus that barely made me cough.... Yet all I hear is that disease can kill people....

Explain that?"
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Bowfinger said:
You have hearing damage?
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OP started with a ridiculous premise, made a ridiculous statement predicated on that premise, and I made an equally ridiculous statement of equivalence to show how ridiculous his original statement was.

Not that hard if you keep up... *snap snap*
 
Hugo Drax said:
Then somehow the real enemy has become the average teacher, firefighter and cop etc.. They are now the "Evil enemy"
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Dont be naive. Teachers and firefighters made themselves the enemy by using public unions to demand wages and benefits far beyond what private sector employees receive. A union exists for the purpose of collective bargaining. In order to have collective bargaining you have to have two opposing parties. With public employee unions you have the union on one side, and only the taxpayer on the other, and the taxpayer is not properly represented in the negotiating process. The unions actually represent both sides of the collective bargaining process because they contribute so much to the campaigns. This makes public unions frauds. Because they have been allowed to continue to grow in power far far beyond all reason, the vitriol against their members also grows. The vitriol is completely justified and I expect it to continue. Public unions should be abolished. Public schools should be closed and firefighting should be done on a completely voluntary basis, outside of the government's ability to tax in order to pay firefighter pensions.

By the way it isnt really the rank and file firefighter and teacher who is the real enemy here. It is all the administrators and chiefs who get 6 figure salaries and pensions. They are the real enemy. The reason we dont focus on them is because the teachers unions actually force the focus to be placed on the rank and file members, literally using them as human shields to cover their fat slovenly largess. No public sector worker, aside from maybe a president or a senator and maybe a few other key officials, should be payed a 6 figure salary with taxpayer money. It is absurd how many public workers get 6 figure salaries and 6 figure pensions too!
 
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sm625 said:
Dont be naive. Teachers and firefighters made themselves the enemy by using public unions to demand wages and benefits far beyond what private sector employees receive. A union exists for the purpose of collective bargaining. In order to have collective bargaining you have to have two opposing parties. With public employee unions you have the union on one side, and only the taxpayer on the other, and the taxpayer is not properly represented in the negotiating process. The unions actually represent both sides of the collective bargaining process because they contribute so much to the campaigns. This makes public unions frauds. Because they have been allowed to continue to grow in power far far beyond all reason, the vitriol against their members also grows. The vitriol is completely justified and I expect it to continue. Public unions should be abolished. Public schools should be closed and firefighting should be done on a completely voluntary basis, outside of the government's ability to tax in order to pay firefighter pensions.

By the way it isnt really the rank and file firefighter and teacher who is the real enemy here. It is all the administrators and chiefs who get 6 figure salaries and pensions. They are the real enemy. The reason we dont focus on them is because the teachers unions actually force the focus to be placed on the rank and file members, literally using them as human shields to cover their fat slovenly largess. No public sector worker, aside from maybe a president or a senator and maybe a few other key officials, should be payed a 6 figure salary with taxpayer money. It is absurd how many public workers get 6 figure salaries and 6 figure pensions too!
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Wonderful post! Too bad it's wrong.
Administrators are NOT part of the teacher's union. The teacher's union is made up of... teachers, as well as a handful of union representatives. i.e. for every school in my county and 2 surrounding counties, we have one person who is an employee just of the union. Otherwise, all the members of the union are teachers.

Furthermore, you think the public is under-represented in teacher union negotiations for new contracts?? Wow. The public elects a board of education. The board of education & school lawyers represent the public in negotiations; and they generally don't just bend over. Further, the school budget & any tax increases are part of the local school elections (though now, in NY, schools are limited to a 2% budget increase each year.)
 
DrPizza said:
Wonderful post! Too bad it's wrong.
Administrators are NOT part of the teacher's union. The teacher's union is made up of... teachers, as well as a handful of union representatives. i.e. for every school in my county and 2 surrounding counties, we have one person (total) who is an employee just of the union and helps all those schools' unions with various issues. Otherwise, all the members of the union are teachers.

Furthermore, you think the public is under-represented in teacher union negotiations for new contracts?? Wow. The public elects a board of education. The board of education & school lawyers represent the public in negotiations; and they generally don't just bend over. Further, the school budget & any tax increases are part of the local school elections (though now, in NY, schools are limited to a 2% budget increase each year.)
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Why would we believe you, an admitted enemy of America?
 
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PeshakJang said:
OP started with a ridiculous premise, made a ridiculous statement predicated on that premise, and I made an equally ridiculous statement of equivalence to show how ridiculous his original statement was.

Not that hard if you keep up... *snap snap*
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So, setting aside the degree to which the OP did or did not start with a ridiculous premise, your position is two wrongs make a right? That would certainly explain you. You might be useful if you attempted to demonstrate objectively and factually how the OP is wrong, but of course that would require you to actually know something, maybe do a little research, and assemble words into a coherent argument.
 
DrPizza said:
The board of education & school lawyers represent the public in negotiations; and they generally don't just bend over.
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Uh, judging by the results, the unsustainable benefits and massive deficits, yes they do. They just go back to the taxpayer every couple of years to get more money, threatening cuts to popular/needed programs if they don't get more money.... and thus the ever increasing property tax rates to fund the school districts.

My school district taxes have doubled over the past 5 years, plus additional bond issues, levies etc. The public gets to vote on those things, but the unions have a great PR campaign, basically making it seem like anyone against those increases must hate kids and hate education.
 
It's not the media, it's the average citizen who is upset with these groups. Stories of cops who make $100,000 in retirement are not acceptable. It is not acceptable that school administrators make $200,000+. Frankly, it doesn't even seem fair to me that teachers make more than average salaries (which they do in some states) considering they get a fourth of the year off and are in a profession to help kids. These are not free market salaries, these are salaries extorted from the public by public sector unions.

If you want to be progressive, that's fine. Help EVERYONE. Don't set a system where public employees (who already have great benefits and job security) start making more than the average citizen.
 
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