How did Obama get nothing done in 8 years?

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Keep at that HAM radio, John. Keep at it.

he does have that AM radio fallback option, and the 21 piece KFC bucket along with the super big gulp

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Slop is adequate food for pigs.
I don't believe the lunches served in school back then would have met agricultural standards for pig food.
It was always a Disgusting grease and mystery "meat" special or it was their rock hard hockey puck "burgers" or their cardboard square "pizza" which did'nt have any real sauce, cheese, or crust.

Anyhow, I agree that school lunches are broken, and that Obama did not fix them, however, I would argue that they were completely broken long before that. The problem is that they are reheating freeze dried mush, instead of actually cooking & preparing a real meal from fresh ingredients.

and there's just so much money flowing to the schools to provide healthy, good lunches, right? I know conner would gladly put a few more dollars of his taxes (if he pays any) towards the betterment of school nutrition, right jonny?

 

[Skunk-Works]

On the jobs issue: jobs aren't overseas because of the tax rate, and labor costs are only part of it.

A lot of it is down to the inherent logistical advantages. In China, you have a much larger population of people with just the right amount of training for factory work. Need 3,000 people to boost production of that new smartphone? They can start in two weeks. In the US, you'd be thankful if you could amass that kind of talent in a year; if people are qualified, they tend to be overqualified.

Then there's the direct access to suppliers. Need a tweak to your battery or camera module? They're probably just a couple of hours away, if not down the street. You can make rapid changes that are much harder when you have to ship components overseas. And of course, there's the cost of shipping those parts overseas...

This isn't even touching on the whole question of automation and how long these jobs will last.

That's what's frustrating about Trump's "we'll make them bring jobs back." It shows a fundamental ignorance of how complex the situation is. You can't just will jobs into existence -- you have to understand why jobs are where they are, and determine whether or not it's feasible to bring jobs over without introducing extra headaches.

No, no, no, no, no and more NO! It's more broad than that. Besides the highest corporate tax in the world and regulations that hinder job growth, you have China manipulating their currency.

This isn't about "skilled" labor. Not by a long shot. If it was, why is Tyson wanting (or is doing?) shipping chicken to China to be processed and then shipped back? That's just Tyson. You can't even buy a simple god damn t shirt without it being made in China, Pakistan where ever...

 

[ivwshane]

Get used to this folks, this is what a trump presidency looks like. The dumbest of the dumb, posting with confidence devoid of reality and facts.

Its a good thing we have a "no posts without commentary" otherwise this board would be flooded with threads that contain nothing but pictures.

 

[BurnItDwn]

and there's just so much money flowing to the schools to provide healthy, good lunches, right? I know conner would gladly put a few more dollars of his taxes (if he pays any) towards the betterment of school nutrition, right jonny?

Money would help for sure.
But I think the entire way school lunch is treated is wrong here.
We have gone the "industrial" route, mass production, lowwest cost, poor quality.

I think the focus should instead be on quality, with cost being number 2 factor.

Maybe we could learn from the *gasp* french?
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-1484...-school-lunch-it-puts-americans-to-shame.html

 

[rudder]

Ah, so the stock market is a good indicator of how well a president does for a country?

Thats a huge climb for $10 trillion of debt. Good job obama! Of course what socio economic class owns a majority of the stock market? One thing is certain... obama has overseen a huge transfer of wealth.... to the 1%.

 

[fskimospy]

Thats a huge climb for $10 trillion of debt. Good job obama! Of course what socio economic class owns a majority of the stock market? One thing is certain... obama has overseen a huge transfer of wealth.... to the 1%.

Wait, you're trying to say the stock market rise is due to government deficits? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Also, why are rising stock values a transfer of wealth? That doesn't make sense either.

Regardless, stock values are a stupid way to judge a president or the health of an economy. I was just pointing out that by JC's own standard the guy he clearly hates was an amazing president.

 

[Brainonska511]

Umm ....
Have you aver seen a school lunch in the 1980s or 1990s? Talk about bad!

I agree - school lunches were nothing to write home about in the early 00s either. Usually crappy vegetables, crappy burgers, super greasy and disgusting "pizza", fried foods galore, chips, high-sugar snacks, etc... Usually, I would just bring my own brown-bag lunch to avoid the stuff the school was serving.

Pushing for healthier options was a good thing - but whether schools will comply or not is almost entirely up to the individual school districts.

 

[hal2kilo]

Market was already over valued.
I fully expect this rally to crash and burn by summer.

There just giddy idiots in the market now, this will blow over.

 

[hal2kilo]

Slop is adequate food for pigs.
I don't believe the lunches served in school back then would have met agricultural standards for pig food.
It was always a Disgusting grease and mystery "meat" special or it was their rock hard hockey puck "burgers" or their cardboard square "pizza" which did'nt have any real sauce, cheese, or crust.

Anyhow, I agree that school lunches are broken, and that Obama did not fix them, however, I would argue that they were completely broken long before that. The problem is that they are reheating freeze dried mush, instead of actually cooking & preparing a real meal from fresh ingredients.

I feel spoiled. I participated in the school lunch program in elementary school from like 62 to 66. We had meat lollipops, tuna boats, with a real vegetable, and a dessert, on trays, with dishes that had to be washed. And you could get a slice of buttered bread from the grey haired matrons if you ate all your food. This for like $4.20 a week.

 

[ivwshane]

I feel spoiled. I participated in the school lunch program in elementary school from like 62 to 66. We had meat lollipops, tuna boats, with a real vegetable, and a dessert, on trays, with dishes that had to be washed. And you could get a slice of buttered bread from the grey haired matrons if you ate all your food. This for like $4.20 a week.

Yep and then you grew up and fucked it up for every incoming generation. So thanks!


http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodschools.html

-for the slow along us, by "you" I mean your generation.

 

[piasabird]

There are Democratic officials at every polling place. How can anyone cheat at a polling place? Somehow at 20 polling places in Detroit they counted the ballots wrong. They had more votes than ballots.

There you go . . . 20 examples of voter fraud in one city.

 

[jammix]

Ah, so the stock market is a good indicator of how well a president does for a country?

stock market, corporate profits, employment rates, and other broad economic movements are subject to broader forces that, in the short run, are largely beyond the President's control. In other words, you cannot necessarily point to an inflection point in the stock market as evidence per se that some policy is good or bad since there are other larger macro forces at work (at least not plausibly to most informed observers).

That, however, does not mean that actual policy or uncertainty around future/potential policy does not matter, particularly not in the long run, just that it's masked by a lot of confounding variables that make this sort of simplistic exercise little more than partisan politics.

 

[fskimospy]

stock market, corporate profits, employment rates, and other broad economic movements are subject to broader forces that, in the short run, are largely beyond the President's control. In other words, you cannot necessarily point to an inflection point in the stock market as evidence per se that some policy is good or bad since there are other larger macro forces at work (at least not plausibly to most informed observers).

That, however, does not mean that actual policy or uncertainty around future/potential policy does not matter, particularly not in the long run, just that it's masked by a lot of confounding variables that make this sort of simplistic exercise little more than partisan politics.

Sure is! You should mention that to John Connor, not me though, as I already said the stock market is a dumb way to measure presidential performance. He appears to disagree.

 

[bshole]

stock market, corporate profits, employment rates, and other broad economic movements are subject to broader forces that, in the short run, are largely beyond the President's control.

Are telling us is that Presidents don't matter, that they can have no effect on the economy? To me it seems like you are laying down the prep work for when the economy craters under Trump because you recognize the devastating effects his proposed policies will have. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what the deregulation of banks will do to the economy, it just takes the ability to read news stories from eight years ago.

 

[jammix]

Sure is! You should mention that to John Connor, not me though, as I already said the stock market is a dumb way to measure presidential performance. He appears to disagree.

I understand. i am already sending someone to explain that to him...

 

[Sonikku]

OP has a point though, Obama hasn't been doing nearly enough. Our Supreme Court alone has been missing a judge all year for example. What's the hold up Mr.President?!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

OP has a point though, Obama hasn't been doing nearly enough. Our Supreme Court alone has been missing a judge all year for example. What's the hold up Mr.President?!

I like your style. Just saying.

 

[nakedfrog]

Are telling us is that Presidents don't matter, that they can have no effect on the economy?

Depends.
If things go well, the guy in office gets credit for it if he's your guy. Otherwise, it actually did well in SPITE of him.
If it's not your guy, then hell yes it's all his fault! He's simultaneously doing too much about it, and not enough.

 

[jammix]

Are telling us is that Presidents don't matter, that they can have no effect on the economy? To me it seems like you are laying down the prep work for when the economy craters under Trump because you recognize the devastating effects his proposed policies will have. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what the deregulation of banks will do to the economy, it just takes the ability to read news stories from eight years ago.

I didnt say that, You're clearly missing the point. If it weren't the stock market, it'd be something else, in lieu of some good outcome he can plausibly take credit for.
I'm sure there is a better answer with some research, I think it only really has an affect on market sentiment. More on the behavioral finance side rather than anything quantitative. The Federal Reserve affects the quantitative side more.

 

[alien42]

Obama was, without question, one of the best and most accomplished presidents of my lifetime.

 

[Sonikku]

I didn't know you were 16.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yep and then you grew up and fucked it up for every incoming generation. So thanks!


http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodschools.html

-for the slow along us, by "you" I mean your generation.

Wow, I hope your children eat you too.

 

[desy]

soylent green is people

 

[thraashman]

Is jammix the rebirth of Incorruptible? He sure seems as out of touch with reality.