How did coffee get so popular?

[iamme]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: 11thHour
Even if coffee tasted like poopoo people would become addicted because of the caffeine high. People would be at water coolers at work talking to coworkers about how they've got to get their cup of poopoo before they can get started.

I would say people are more addicted (I use that term in a non-clinical manner) to the process than the caffeine. People have habits, and part of that habit for many people is taking that extra few minutes out of the day to get a cup of coffee, no matter how horrible it might be. I drink sometimes as much as three triple espressos a day, and when I don't have the time to do so I'm more upset about the break to my habits than I am for the loss of caffeine.

IMO

i disagree. aren't "caffeine headaches" common from people who try to quit cold turkey?

while some people may be upset from a break in routine, i believe MOST people people suffer headaches from lack of their daily caffeine fix.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Riight. Did it occur to you guys that some people just prefer their coffee with cream and sugar, and you can still make awesome coffee but not like to drink it black?

No. Awesome coffee is not with sugar and cream; however, it may be an awesome drink. Awesome coffee is fresh-roasted, not over-roasted, freshly ground (as in no more than 15 minutes before preparation), and properly prepaired single-origin brew. Once you start amalgamating different origins, add all these dairy adulternations, etc. you're left with no hint of the gustatory promise that was originally offered.

Are you kidding me? That's your feeling apparently... So, basically, your feeling is that just because cream and sugar is added, it's no longer coffee?

I grind my coffee fresh with a burr grinder, I use spring water, I use top of the line filters, and I either use my high end coffee maker, or a french press, but I still prefer itwith cream and sugar. The fact is, we have the same definition of awesome coffee, you just prefer it black, and I prefer it with cream and sugar. I can tell the difference between crappy coffee and good coffee even though I have cream and sugar in it.

You're having difficulty comprehending what I said, so let's break it down:

Are you kidding me? That's your feeling apparently... So, basically, your feeling is that just because cream and sugar is added, it's no longer coffee?

No, if you refer to my post it's clear that I said it's not awesome coffee. I even went so far as to qualify what awesome coffee was; of course, you're free to define it however you wish, but I see no reason to go through any of the troubles you claim you do to achieve a higher quality cup when you just diminish it with your adulterants. You lose ALL of the character that you otherwise gain by taking the care you claim to take.

I can tell the difference between crappy coffee and good coffee even though I have cream and sugar in it.

I either use my high end coffee maker

What constitutes a "high end coffee maker?" I have about $3,000 in my coffee setup; does that qualify as "high end?" I don't care if it cost $20, because that has little to do with it (for non-espresso at least).

False. The qualities you are discerning are the difference between an extremely flawed cup and a mediocre cup. An awesome cup retains its character of origin and all its nuance, and that is with absolutely no question not present with your adulterants.

Take your coffee as you wish, I don't care. I'm just making sure you don't try to make false claims that might otherwise compromise the ambition for others to seek a REAL awesome cup of coffee.

:beer:

 

[Ronstang]

I don't drink coffe, but when I do on occasion it has to be black.....cream and sugare in coffee is nasty....it is kinda like those super sweet alcoholic drinks, what is the point?

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: 11thHour
Even if coffee tasted like poopoo people would become addicted because of the caffeine high. People would be at water coolers at work talking to coworkers about how they've got to get their cup of poopoo before they can get started.

I would say people are more addicted (I use that term in a non-clinical manner) to the process than the caffeine. People have habits, and part of that habit for many people is taking that extra few minutes out of the day to get a cup of coffee, no matter how horrible it might be. I drink sometimes as much as three triple espressos a day, and when I don't have the time to do so I'm more upset about the break to my habits than I am for the loss of caffeine.

IMO

i disagree. aren't "caffeine headaches" common from people who try to quit cold turkey?

while some people may be upset from a break in routine, i believe MOST people people suffer headaches from lack of their daily caffeine fix.

Yes, but I believe that points to other deficiencies (e.g. water) rather than a simple deficiency of caffeine. I know plenty of people in the nerd world of coffee (yes, it exists) that go without coffee for a few days without a headache, and I do as well.

I've never had a headache from lack of caffeine, but I can't say my situation is the norm.

 

[Eli]

We've been taking drugs, including caffeine, since before man first became self aware.

They're apart of our living world, and we have evolved with them.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: DocHolliday
unknown

<=== hates coffee

They say it's an aquired taste. I never aquired it :|

They also say if you like dark chocolate, you'll love coffee. I LOVE dark chocolate, and HATE coffee. I think it has something to do with when I was 5 and ate coffee grounds :|

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Riight. Did it occur to you guys that some people just prefer their coffee with cream and sugar, and you can still make awesome coffee but not like to drink it black?

No. Awesome coffee is not with sugar and cream; however, it may be an awesome drink. Awesome coffee is fresh-roasted, not over-roasted, freshly ground (as in no more than 15 minutes before preparation), and properly prepaired single-origin brew. Once you start amalgamating different origins, add all these dairy adulternations, etc. you're left with no hint of the gustatory promise that was originally offered.

Are you kidding me? That's your feeling apparently... So, basically, your feeling is that just because cream and sugar is added, it's no longer coffee?

I grind my coffee fresh with a burr grinder, I use spring water, I use top of the line filters, and I either use my high end coffee maker, or a french press, but I still prefer itwith cream and sugar. The fact is, we have the same definition of awesome coffee, you just prefer it black, and I prefer it with cream and sugar. I can tell the difference between crappy coffee and good coffee even though I have cream and sugar in it.

You're having difficulty comprehending what I said, so let's break it down:

Are you kidding me? That's your feeling apparently... So, basically, your feeling is that just because cream and sugar is added, it's no longer coffee?

No, if you refer to my post it's clear that I said it's not awesome coffee. I even went so far as to qualify what awesome coffee was; of course, you're free to define it however you wish, but I see no reason to go through any of the troubles you claim you do to achieve a higher quality cup when you just diminish it with your adulterants. You lose ALL of the character that you otherwise gain by taking the care you claim to take.

I can tell the difference between crappy coffee and good coffee even though I have cream and sugar in it.

I either use my high end coffee maker

What constitutes a "high end coffee maker?" I have about $3,000 in my coffee setup; does that qualify as "high end?" I don't care if it cost $20, because that has little to do with it (for non-espresso at least).

False. The qualities you are discerning are the difference between an extremely flawed cup and a mediocre cup. An awesome cup retains its character of origin and all its nuance, and that is with absolutely no question not present with your adulterants.

Take your coffee as you wish, I don't care. I'm just making sure you don't try to make false claims that might otherwise compromise the ambition for others to seek a REAL awesome cup of coffee.

:beer:

Wow, how's the air up there? I make coffee, regardless of what I put in it, it's still coffee...

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

The fact is, your idea of what awesome coffee is no more a statement of fact than anyone else's.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: 11thHour
Even if coffee tasted like poopoo people would become addicted because of the caffeine high. People would be at water coolers at work talking to coworkers about how they've got to get their cup of poopoo before they can get started.

I would say people are more addicted (I use that term in a non-clinical manner) to the process than the caffeine. People have habits, and part of that habit for many people is taking that extra few minutes out of the day to get a cup of coffee, no matter how horrible it might be. I drink sometimes as much as three triple espressos a day, and when I don't have the time to do so I'm more upset about the break to my habits than I am for the loss of caffeine.

IMO

It depends on how much coffee you drink every day. I have a triend that told me that when he first tried to stop drinking coffee (cold turkey) he would get withdrawal symptoms.

 

[aircooled]

<-- Black coffee drinker. Used cream & sugar when I was a kid but now straight black coffee (black not brown like columbian, just dark roast)

 

[lobadobadingdong]

in the 1800's it probably tasted better than unpurified water.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Riight. Did it occur to you guys that some people just prefer their coffee with cream and sugar, and you can still make awesome coffee but not like to drink it black?

No. Awesome coffee is not with sugar and cream; however, it may be an awesome drink. Awesome coffee is fresh-roasted, not over-roasted, freshly ground (as in no more than 15 minutes before preparation), and properly prepaired single-origin brew. Once you start amalgamating different origins, add all these dairy adulternations, etc. you're left with no hint of the gustatory promise that was originally offered.

Are you kidding me? That's your feeling apparently... So, basically, your feeling is that just because cream and sugar is added, it's no longer coffee?

I grind my coffee fresh with a burr grinder, I use spring water, I use top of the line filters, and I either use my high end coffee maker, or a french press, but I still prefer itwith cream and sugar. The fact is, we have the same definition of awesome coffee, you just prefer it black, and I prefer it with cream and sugar. I can tell the difference between crappy coffee and good coffee even though I have cream and sugar in it.

You're having difficulty comprehending what I said, so let's break it down:

Are you kidding me? That's your feeling apparently... So, basically, your feeling is that just because cream and sugar is added, it's no longer coffee?

No, if you refer to my post it's clear that I said it's not awesome coffee. I even went so far as to qualify what awesome coffee was; of course, you're free to define it however you wish, but I see no reason to go through any of the troubles you claim you do to achieve a higher quality cup when you just diminish it with your adulterants. You lose ALL of the character that you otherwise gain by taking the care you claim to take.

I can tell the difference between crappy coffee and good coffee even though I have cream and sugar in it.

I either use my high end coffee maker

What constitutes a "high end coffee maker?" I have about $3,000 in my coffee setup; does that qualify as "high end?" I don't care if it cost $20, because that has little to do with it (for non-espresso at least).

False. The qualities you are discerning are the difference between an extremely flawed cup and a mediocre cup. An awesome cup retains its character of origin and all its nuance, and that is with absolutely no question not present with your adulterants.

Take your coffee as you wish, I don't care. I'm just making sure you don't try to make false claims that might otherwise compromise the ambition for others to seek a REAL awesome cup of coffee.

:beer:

Wow, how's the air up there? I make coffee, regardless of what I put in it, it's still coffee...

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

The fact is, your idea of what awesome coffee is no more a statement of fact than anyone else's.

LOL @ Descartes.. Talk about coffee snob! :laugh:

I have to somewhat agree with him though. Strictly speaking, when you add something to coffee - it becomes a coffee drink.

If you're a true coffee connoisseur, while you might be able to appreciate coffee with cream, you most likely wouldn't ever drink it when you're wanting to experience coffee.

He's talking about every single tinge of flavor on your tongue.. Surely you can agree that is masked when you add "adulterants".. err.. cream and/or sugar.... LOL.

That doesen't mean that the resulting drink isn't good, though. It's just not really comparable to straight coffee..

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Riight. Did it occur to you guys that some people just prefer their coffee with cream and sugar, and you can still make awesome coffee but not like to drink it black?

No. Awesome coffee is not with sugar and cream; however, it may be an awesome drink. Awesome coffee is fresh-roasted, not over-roasted, freshly ground (as in no more than 15 minutes before preparation), and properly prepaired single-origin brew. Once you start amalgamating different origins, add all these dairy adulternations, etc. you're left with no hint of the gustatory promise that was originally offered.

Are you kidding me? That's your feeling apparently... So, basically, your feeling is that just because cream and sugar is added, it's no longer coffee?

I grind my coffee fresh with a burr grinder, I use spring water, I use top of the line filters, and I either use my high end coffee maker, or a french press, but I still prefer itwith cream and sugar. The fact is, we have the same definition of awesome coffee, you just prefer it black, and I prefer it with cream and sugar. I can tell the difference between crappy coffee and good coffee even though I have cream and sugar in it.

You're having difficulty comprehending what I said, so let's break it down:

Are you kidding me? That's your feeling apparently... So, basically, your feeling is that just because cream and sugar is added, it's no longer coffee?

No, if you refer to my post it's clear that I said it's not awesome coffee. I even went so far as to qualify what awesome coffee was; of course, you're free to define it however you wish, but I see no reason to go through any of the troubles you claim you do to achieve a higher quality cup when you just diminish it with your adulterants. You lose ALL of the character that you otherwise gain by taking the care you claim to take.

I can tell the difference between crappy coffee and good coffee even though I have cream and sugar in it.

I either use my high end coffee maker

What constitutes a "high end coffee maker?" I have about $3,000 in my coffee setup; does that qualify as "high end?" I don't care if it cost $20, because that has little to do with it (for non-espresso at least).

False. The qualities you are discerning are the difference between an extremely flawed cup and a mediocre cup. An awesome cup retains its character of origin and all its nuance, and that is with absolutely no question not present with your adulterants.

Take your coffee as you wish, I don't care. I'm just making sure you don't try to make false claims that might otherwise compromise the ambition for others to seek a REAL awesome cup of coffee.

:beer:

Wow, how's the air up there? I make coffee, regardless of what I put in it, it's still coffee...

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

The fact is, your idea of what awesome coffee is no more a statement of fact than anyone else's.

LOL @ Descartes.. Talk about coffee snob! :laugh:

I have to somewhat agree with him though. Strictly speaking, when you add something to coffee - it becomes a coffee drink.

If you're a true coffee connoisseur, while you might be able to appreciate coffee with cream, you most likely wouldn't ever drink it when you're wanting to experience coffee.

He's talking about every single tinge of flavor on your tongue.. Surely you can agree that is masked when you add "adulterants".. err.. cream and/or sugar.... LOL.

That doesen't mean that the resulting drink isn't good, though.

I think a good analogy would be enjoying a nice bottle of liquor... with coca-cola. Can't really appreciate the subtleties of a drink when you mix it with something that pwns the flavor.

 

[Insane3D]

Guess I need to spend $3K on my "coffee setup" to even begin to understand the vast knowledge that Descartes obviously has over us all...

:roll:

 

[tfcmasta97]

lmao....

anyone watch seinfeld?

"its not a PIZZA, until its cut and ready to eat!"

NO! ITS A PIZZA, RIGHT FROM WHEN YOU PUT THE TOPPINGS ON! NO CUCUMBERS!

(with referances to abortion arguements)

what a classic

 

[Mucho]

<------coffee addict 5 to 7 cups a day

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: 11thHour
Even if coffee tasted like poopoo people would become addicted because of the caffeine high. People would be at water coolers at work talking to coworkers about how they've got to get their cup of poopoo before they can get started.

I would say people are more addicted (I use that term in a non-clinical manner) to the process than the caffeine. People have habits, and part of that habit for many people is taking that extra few minutes out of the day to get a cup of coffee, no matter how horrible it might be. I drink sometimes as much as three triple espressos a day, and when I don't have the time to do so I'm more upset about the break to my habits than I am for the loss of caffeine.

IMO

No he really is right about the caffeine addiction. I'm a green tea drinker, but last tax season I started drinking coffee as a pick-me-up - just a little, then more, then several cups a day. You can still call it a habit but it's hard to break. I could feel the difference between drinking it and not drinking it.

FYI Coffee is a good stimulant to the bowels as well

 

[Crappopotamus]

descartes must be a hugely boring person in real life. i like my timmie ho's double cream one sugar.

 

[Keyvan]

Originally posted by: JEDI
Even in the 1800's, coffee was popular.

how did it get so popular because it tastes awful w/o cream/sugar?

if you really are interested in how humans ended up domesticating all the fruits/cereals/plants/animals that are raised and farmed these days, I highly suggest reading the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.
The main idea of the book is basically how some parts of the world ended up being so well off while others not so much, but he discusses this topic in very great detail as well.


edit: oh, and I like my coffee in the form of a double espresso. usually one or two a day.

 

[biostud]

When I'm tired Coffee + Sugar is like heroine
Otherwise it just taste great.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: JEDI
Even in the 1800's, coffee was popular.

how did it get so popular because it tastes awful w/o cream/sugar?

It only tastes like crap if you use bad ingredients and bad tap water.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: JEDI
Even in the 1800's, coffee was popular.

how did it get so popular because it tastes awful w/o cream/sugar?

It only tastes like crap if you use bad ingredients and bad tap water.

So in the 1800's they had better tap water than now?

 

[dudeman007]

I think it was GTA that made it very popular

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Crappopotamus
descartes must be a hugely boring person in real life. i like my timmie ho's double cream one sugar.

Actually, everyone loves my coffee, and I'm happy to share. I have a good time sharing information on coffee, exposing people to the different qualities that are present in different origins, and my guests enjoy it as well. I'm a person that enjoys detail, and for me that which is further removed from its pure form is also further removed from my interest.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Keyvan

Originally posted by: JEDI
Even in the 1800's, coffee was popular.

how did it get so popular because it tastes awful w/o cream/sugar?

if you really are interested in how humans ended up domesticating all the fruits/cereals/plants/animals that are raised and farmed these days, I highly suggest reading the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.
The main idea of the book is basically how some parts of the world ended up being so well off while others not so much, but he discusses this topic in very great detail as well.


edit: oh, and I like my coffee in the form of a double espresso. usually one or two a day.

A FANTASTIC book. It's one of the more enjoyable reads I've had in the past few years.

Cheers to an espresso drinker as well. I pulled this triple a while back. For me it's usually a cappuccino in the morning and a triple after lunch; if I have enough time I usually do another cappuccino at night.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: JEDI
Even in the 1800's, coffee was popular.

how did it get so popular because it tastes awful w/o cream/sugar?

It only tastes like crap if you use bad ingredients and bad tap water.

So in the 1800's they had better tap water than now?

Some lucky bastards maybe had spring water and some unlucky had nasty stuff.

The guys with spring water got the best out of the coffee while the others got the best out of the water.
A win win situation.

Better yet, some genious put whiskey and cream in the coffe and got Irish coffe.