How Dems outmaneuvered GOP on ACORN

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Did you happen to think that ACORN is dead in the waters of the federal government? Democratic Congresswoman Maxine Waters of California doesn't!

She is pushing to have ACORN represent consumer interests on the Oversight Board of the proposed Consumer Protection Agency. ACORN may thus be recognized among "experts in the fields of consumer protection, fair lending and civil rights, representatives of depository institutions that primarily serve underserved communities, or representatives of communities that have been significantly impacted by higher-priced mortgage loans." Other Oversight Board members include the top officials from the Fed, FDIC and HUD.

Finance Committee Chairman Democratic Congressman Barney Frank of Massachusetts is backing Democratic Congresswoman Waters on procedural grounds - the Republicans failed to offer a timely amendment in committee that even addressed blocking ACORN from the primary oversight board, though they did seek to block them from the lesser advisory board of the proposed agency.

When both houses of Congress voted to defund ACORN several weeks ago, what they actually did was bar lawmakers and federal agencies from giving any money to for the duration of the temporary budget agreement, or continuing resolution, that was in effect at the time. Continuing resolutions are used to extend federal spending, and keep the government running, when Congress can't agree on appropriations bills for the fiscal year. When the Congressional defunding of ACORN went into effect on October 1, there was a continuing resolution in place that would last until October 31 -- this Saturday. The ACORN ban was in that resolution, so it will also expire on Saturday.

I am sure there are many more ACORN stories to come, let's see if the Democrats keep ACORN fed with taxpayer dollars.

How Dems outmaneuvered GOP on ACORN

How Dems outmaneuvered GOP on ACORN
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
Washington Examiner
October 27, 2009

Last Thursday was a confusing day at the House Financial Services Committee. The committee was preparing to vote on legislation to create a new Consumer Financial Protection Agency when a fight erupted over ACORN, the community organizing group that was defunded by Congress after videos surfaced showing ACORN workers involved in a variety of corrupt practices.

Although the proposed Consumer Financial Protection Agency -- designed to deal with issues like mortgages and credit-card fees -- has nothing to do with community organizing, Democrats offered an amendment that could allow ACORN and groups like it to participate in the new agency. Republicans offered an amendment of their own, designed to stop the Democratic one. An argument ensued. It was complicated, with lots of different proposals and a good bit of misunderstanding. But when the dust settled, Democrats had outmaneuvered Republicans, and the new bill they approved could allow organizations like ACORN to play a role in the highest levels of the new consumer protection agency.

The bill creates two boards. One, the Oversight Board, will be the key panel giving advice to the director of the new agency. The bill says the Oversight Board will have seven members and specifies who those members will be: the chairman of the board of governors of the Federal Reserve; the head of the agency responsible for chartering and regulating national banks; the chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation; the chairman of the National Credit Union Administration; the chairman of the Federal Trade Commission; the Secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development; and the chairman of the liaison committee of representatives of state agencies to the Financial Institutions Examination Council.

That's the Oversight Board. The bill would also create a second board, the Advisory Board, which would offer general advice to the director of the new agency. The bill does not specify how many members the Advisory Board will have, nor who they will be. It just says they should be "experts in financial services, community development, fair lending and civil rights, and consumer financial products or services."

The Oversight Board, made up of some of the most powerful people in the U.S. government, is clearly the more powerful of the two boards. Since the makeup of the Oversight Board is specified in the bill, Republicans did not expect Democrats to try to open up that board to include openings for ACORN and similar groups. Instead, Republicans expected Democrats to offer an amendment which would make it possible for representatives from ACORN and other groups to serve on the Advisory Board. With that in mind, Republicans prepared an amendment of their own banning ACORN from the Advisory Board. (The central part of the amendment did not go after ACORN by name, but barred individuals from organizations that have been indicted for federal or state election law violations from serving on the board.)

It turns out Republicans were mistaken. On Thursday, Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters introduced an amendment that would add five members, not to the Advisory Board, but to the Oversight Board, with all five chosen from among "experts in the fields of consumer protection, fair lending and civil rights, representatives of depository institutions that primarily serve underserved communities, or representatives of communities that have been significantly impacted by higher-priced mortgage loans." That description could easily fit ACORN, or any number of other pro-Democratic groups. In any event, these new members would serve alongside the top officials from the Fed, FDIC, HUD, and the rest of the Oversight Board. Waters did not waste her time with the lower-level Advisory Board; she went straight for the top, the Oversight Board.

But Republicans had prepared an amendment which covered just the Advisory Board. "We can only anticipate what she's going to offer," says Rep. Michelle Bachmann, who introduced the Republican amendment, referring to Waters. "We anticipated the Advisory Board."

"Did Rep. Waters aim higher than you thought she would?" Bachmann was asked. "She certainly did," Bachmann answered.

If Waters surprised Bachmann, it also appears that Bachmann surprised Waters. The California Democrat appeared to expect Bachmann to attack the proposal to add community activists to the Oversight Board, and Waters seemed confused that Bachmann's amendment addressed the Advisory Board instead. Waters was prepared to fight, and then discovered the other side had missed the real target. "I do not know what we are doing here," Waters said at one point. "She [Bachmann] is amending the wrong board."

But committee chairman Rep. Barney Frank knew what was going on. Seeing that Bachmann's amendment did not cover the more important Oversight Board, Frank made sure Waters' amendment remained untouched. "We are simply trying to make sure that [Bachmann's] amendment does not inadvertently undo the amendment the gentlewoman from California previously offered," Frank said, before quickly ordering a vote on the amendments. The committee approved both Bachmann's and Waters'. The result was that the Oversight Board will be expanded with members of community organizations, including ACORN. Democrats did not seem to mind that ACORN was banned from the less-important Advisory Board.

In the end, the committee approved the bill, with amendments, by a vote of 39 to 29. And that was it for the day. But the issue is not yet settled.

Bachmann knows that Democrats managed to open up the Oversight Board to ACORN and other groups without even being forced to publicly defend the decision. Now, she hopes they will be forced to vote up or down on a proposal to bar ACORN from the Oversight Board. "What we're going to try to do is offer an amendment when the bill goes to the floor," says Bachmann. "That's the goal -- to keep people who are from ACORN from serving on the Oversight Board."

So there will be another test. Will Democrats vote to negate Waters' amendment, to keep ACORN and other organizations from playing key roles in the new Consumer Financial Protection Agency? Or will they take a stand for ACORN when it comes to the final debate on the bill? The answer could determine whether ACORN finds an important place in a large and powerful new government agency.
 

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The machinations of legislative process aside, federal government and government related agencies are pushing back hard to keep ACORN alive. Despite Republican Congressional protests, the Combined Federal Campaign, which channels federal employee charitable contributions, has no intention of stopping the funding of ACORN.

Combined Federal Campaign plans to continue funding of ACORN

You are unlikely to read about this in your local newspaper of record. The ACORN sting operation brought forth extraordinary disclosure of ACORN's operations across the nation, but as an arm of the Democrat Party, the ACORN organization remains off limits to most of the mainstream press.

Hannah Giles is one of the daring duo that broke the story and she is wondering why no one in the mainstream media ever bothered to cover the human cost of ACORN activities -

With regard to the children:

· Baltimore - Why no mention of the toddlers that were in the room while James and I were being counseled on how to manage our underage prostitution ring?

· San Bernardino - The content of this video was largely ignored except for the part where Tresa Kaelke mentions she shot her husband. What about when she told us not to educate our sex-slaves because they won?t want to work for us? Or when we talked about making more money off clients who are permitted to physically abuse the girls? What about the whole transport-the-girls-in-a-school-bus-to-avoid-suspicion discussion?

Attention to the masses:

· Washington, DC - Why were we counseled by ACORN during a first time homebuyer?s seminar, while 30-40 other first time homebuyers sat scrammed in a hot room?

· Brooklyn - This office was swarmed with people, busy staff members and a full waiting room. Did we take our number and wait in line? Nope. Why were we given the private attention of three ACORN staffers, when more deserving and less intrusive clientele patiently waited?

The political games:

· San Bernardino - What happened to the list of politicians that Ms. Kaelke rattled off when she spoke of her ACORN office?s community involvement and influence? Has anyone set out to uncover just how close these politicians relationships are with the San Bernardino ACORN? Does anyone even remember the names?

· San Diego - Has anyone questioned why Juan Carlos would want to help smuggle girls across the Mexican border right after an ACORN-sponsored immigration parade???

Why Did You Bypass These Juicy ACORN Nuggets?
 

BarrySotero

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ACORN is just one of the many groups that collectively form the Marxocrats monkey army ala the wicked witch. They aren't going to just dismantle their insurgency because of some video clips (and a reason "uncooperative " media is being targeted as in any other banana republic).
 

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
ACORN is just one of the many groups that collectively form the Marxocrats monkey army ala the wicked witch. They aren't going to just dismantle their insurgency because of some video clips (and a reason "uncooperative " media is being targeted as in any other banana republic).

We really need to keep lead-based paint off of America's windowsills.


It just came clear to me! Of course! You just have to connect the dots! I heard that ACORN is putting spider eggs in kids halloween candy. Come November 1, spiders are gonna be hatching out of kids stomachs all across the nation!

I also heard that ACORN agents slithered all across the country, in an tightly organized, super secret program communicated through their strictly secure chain of command. You know, from Obama to Commissar Soros down through the revolutionary cadres. Anyway, they secured thousands and thousands of corrupt loans and mortgages, which were then packaged as securities and sold...well, you know the rest! Of course! ACORN started the credit crisis! The fiends! No doubt the plot was cooked up by a band of renegade Marxist MBA's!
 

bob4432

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here are links to the bill, the amendments and the actual video of the event. i think the waters/bachman issues are amendments 21, 21a & 21b where ACORN is directly referenced too.

i have not watched all the video yet as there are ~30hrs worth of video posted, but it is in there.

bill info:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3126

1st page - Oversight and Advisory Boards
http://financialservices.house...Summary_of_HR_3126.pdf

this page shows the amendments to the bill, it is the 2nd bill listed:
http://www.house.gov/apps/list...em/markup_100809.shtml

amendments by waters:
http://www.house.gov/apps/list...dem/cfpa_waters001.pdf
http://www.house.gov/apps/list...6_xml-2nd_revision.pdf
http://www.house.gov/apps/list...cs_dem/bachmann_-1.pdf
http://www.house.gov/apps/list...cs_dem/bachmann_-2.pdf
http://www.house.gov/apps/list..._dem/cfpa_waters23.pdf
http://www.house.gov/apps/list...rs_004_xml_%282%29.pdf

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the sad thing is is that nobody is talking about this except this one article. where is beck, limbaugh, dobbs, fox - anybody on this bullshit?
 

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Some judge has ruled that congress can't de-fund acorn. They are back in business.
 

Jhhnn

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More Waaaahmbulances for the wingnuts, please.

Tears in my eyes as big as horseturds, I'm tellin' ya...
 

glenn1

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Why should the 99% of the population that's not rabidly conservative give a fvck about ACORN? I'm hardly a flaming liberal, but this hard-on you have for them is stupid.
 

Jhhnn

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Why should the 99% of the population that's not rabidly conservative give a fvck about ACORN? I'm hardly a flaming liberal, but this hard-on you have for them is stupid.

Thank you, sir.

You need to understand that ACORN is the new Terrarist! Threat! for Rightwing demagogues and teabaggers- The Enemy! A threat to the baby Jesus, marriage, and the American Way! Rush, Hannity and the rest have said so, therefore IT MUST BE TRUE!
 

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The Dems would be best served to distance themselves from ACORN. I am sure that we have just seen the tip of the iceberg.
 

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Thats a switch. Usually the other way around.

The libs have no constitutional grounds to do what they're doing. If the GOP had a brain they would call the dems out for shitting all over the constitution, which is why i'm reluctant to even identify with them.

But koolaid drinkers like the libs on here wont admit anything is ever bad in their camp, instead they go on the offense stating lies as you just witnessed. Basically if a lib acuses a republican of something, be damn sure they are actively engaged in doing the same thing, wishing only to shift attention from themselves.
 

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Why should the 99% of the population that's not rabidly conservative give a fvck about ACORN? I'm hardly a flaming liberal, but this hard-on you have for them is stupid.

Why should liberals care about child prostitution supported with taxpayer money?
 

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No one really thought the Democrats were going to allow ACORN to go unfunded, they are simply too useful. There are things (e.g. voting fraud, slashing tires of Republican get-out-the-vote vans, stopping banks from foreclosing on people who don't actually pay for the house they inhabit) that the Democrat power structure wants done but cannot risk doing themselves. Saul Alinsky's work is not yet done, therefore ACORN is needed, therefore taxpayers must fund it. Luckily for the Democrats they own the mainstream media and most people have no idea of the things ACORN has done.
 

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The libs have no constitutional grounds to do what they're doing. If the GOP had a brain they would call the dems out for shitting all over the constitution, which is why i'm reluctant to even identify with them.

But koolaid drinkers like the libs on here wont admit anything is ever bad in their camp, instead they go on the offense stating lies as you just witnessed. Basically if a lib acuses a republican of something, be damn sure they are actively engaged in doing the same thing, wishing only to shift attention from themselves.

Hahaha, a rightwing radical calling others koolaid drinkers is magical.
 

soundforbjt

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No one really thought the Democrats were going to allow ACORN to go unfunded, they are simply too useful. There are things (e.g. voting fraud, slashing tires of Republican get-out-the-vote vans, stopping banks from foreclosing on people who don't actually pay for the house they inhabit) that the Democrat power structure wants done but cannot risk doing themselves. Saul Alinsky's work is not yet done, therefore ACORN is needed, therefore taxpayers must fund it. Luckily for the Democrats they own the mainstream media and most people have no idea of the things ACORN has done.

Do you write for Rush?
 

fskimospy

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No one really thought the Democrats were going to allow ACORN to go unfunded, they are simply too useful. There are things (e.g. voting fraud, slashing tires of Republican get-out-the-vote vans, stopping banks from foreclosing on people who don't actually pay for the house they inhabit) that the Democrat power structure wants done but cannot risk doing themselves. Saul Alinsky's work is not yet done, therefore ACORN is needed, therefore taxpayers must fund it. Luckily for the Democrats they own the mainstream media and most people have no idea of the things ACORN has done.

If you honestly believe this, seek professional help. You're becoming dangerously delusional.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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The constitution also outmaneuvered the GOP.


Well that's awesome. The Dems were falling behind, and had to catch up.

What a fscnin POS this judge is. Who the hell is he to tell Congress that his pet program has to stay? Congress is responsible for funding, but what the hell, that Constitution is just trash to all political hacks. Well, if it's their agenda.

What a friggin joke.
 

fskimospy

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Well that's awesome. The Dems were falling behind, and had to catch up.

What a fscnin POS this judge is. Who the hell is he to tell Congress that his pet program has to stay? Congress is responsible for funding, but what the hell, that Constitution is just trash to all political hacks. Well, if it's their agenda.

What a friggin joke.

What the hell are you talking about? You should be VERY happy the judge ruled this way as I can't think of a single clearer example of a bill of attainder in my entire life, and they are explicitly forbidden by the Constitution.

Congress effectively declared ACORN guilty of crimes that had never been ruled on by any court, and then usurped the judiciary's power to impose a penalty on them, again with no trial. That's pretty much against everything the Constitution stands for, and people said from the very second they passed that anti-ACORN resolution that there was no way it would stand up in court, and rightly so.

It's not about whether you like ACORN or not, it's about whether you like the Constitution or not.
 

Patranus

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What the hell are you talking about? You should be VERY happy the judge ruled this way as I can't think of a single clearer example of a bill of attainder in my entire life, and they are explicitly forbidden by the Constitution.

Congress effectively declared ACORN guilty of crimes that had never been ruled on by any court, and then usurped the judiciary's power to impose a penalty on them, again with no trial. That's pretty much against everything the Constitution stands for, and people said from the very second they passed that anti-ACORN resolution that there was no way it would stand up in court, and rightly so.

It's not about whether you like ACORN or not, it's about whether you like the Constitution or not.

What does being convicted of a crime have to do anything.
Look at Woods. He hasn't been convicted of anything yet sponsors are fleeing him left and right.
The judge simply ruled that ACORN is entitled to taxpayer money which is wrong.
 

fskimospy

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What does being convicted of a crime have to do anything.
Look at Woods. He hasn't been convicted of anything yet sponsors are fleeing him left and right.

Last time I checked Tiger Woods' sponsors aren't constrained by the US Constitution.
 

UberNeuman

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Last time I checked Tiger Woods' sponsors aren't constrained by the US Constitution.

I wonder if Patty was as concerned over Bill Maher loosing his sponsors over his comments on Politically Incorrect....

"people have to watch what they say and watch what they do."