How dare these activist judges mess with Good Christians like this

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

A better comparison would have been to a religion that will stone a girl to death who has been suspected of having sex or a religion that will hang male minors found having gay sex. Of course, when those issues are brought up some of the very same people in here gleefully bashing Christians will rush in with claims that it's not representative of Islam, it's not representative of Muslims, it's a very small minority that practice that, blah, blah, blah. Which is really no different from this at all. All of those same excuses apply in this case.

Personally, I find it ALL to be despicable. But at least threads like this expose the blatant religious biases of certain members of P&N, though it's not as if those biases weren't readily apparent already.

WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

Whether or not allowing your daughter to die by failing to provide medical attention is worse than strapping a bomb to yourself and detonating in a public square is debatable. I'm willing to accept that the Islamic world includes more fanatics, or at least that it is depicted in this light in our media and that the actions of minorities within Islam are perhaps more sensational. However, I fail to understand how or why this thread has descended into a debate concerning which religion is responsible for supplying us with more examples of mindless zealotry.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

A better comparison would have been to a religion that will stone a girl to death who has been suspected of having sex or a religion that will hang male minors found having gay sex. Of course, when those issues are brought up some of the very same people in here gleefully bashing Christians will rush in with claims that it's not representative of Islam, it's not representative of Muslims, it's a very small minority that practice that, blah, blah, blah. Which is really no different from this at all. All of those same excuses apply in this case.

Personally, I find it ALL to be despicable. But at least threads like this expose the blatant religious biases of certain members of P&N, though it's not as if those biases weren't readily apparent already.

WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

Whether or not allowing your daughter to die by failing to provide medical attention is worse than strapping a bomb to yourself and detonating in a public square is debatable. I'm willing to accept that the Islamic world includes more fanatics, or at least that it is depicted in this light in our media and that the actions of minorities within Islam are perhaps more sensational. However, I fail to understand how or why this thread has descended into a debate concerning which religion is responsible for supplying us with more examples of mindless zealotry.

Because knuckleheads like FNE and Chicken Little brought it up.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

A better comparison would have been to a religion that will stone a girl to death who has been suspected of having sex or a religion that will hang male minors found having gay sex. Of course, when those issues are brought up some of the very same people in here gleefully bashing Christians will rush in with claims that it's not representative of Islam, it's not representative of Muslims, it's a very small minority that practice that, blah, blah, blah. Which is really no different from this at all. All of those same excuses apply in this case.

Personally, I find it ALL to be despicable. But at least threads like this expose the blatant religious biases of certain members of P&N, though it's not as if those biases weren't readily apparent already.

WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

Whether or not allowing your daughter to die by failing to provide medical attention is worse than strapping a bomb to yourself and detonating in a public square is debatable. I'm willing to accept that the Islamic world includes more fanatics, or at least that it is depicted in this light in our media and that the actions of minorities within Islam are perhaps more sensational. However, I fail to understand how or why this thread has descended into a debate concerning which religion is responsible for supplying us with more examples of mindless zealotry.

Because knuckleheads like FNE and Chicken Little brought it up.

:thumbsup:

 

[alchemize]

This is the way it's supposed to be (with sad results). We have the constitutional right to freedom of religion, and parents are 100% responsible for their children, not the government. If they choose to exercise their religion in a way that kills their kids, they should go to jail for a long time.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

A better comparison would have been to a religion that will stone a girl to death who has been suspected of having sex or a religion that will hang male minors found having gay sex. Of course, when those issues are brought up some of the very same people in here gleefully bashing Christians will rush in with claims that it's not representative of Islam, it's not representative of Muslims, it's a very small minority that practice that, blah, blah, blah. Which is really no different from this at all. All of those same excuses apply in this case.

Personally, I find it ALL to be despicable. But at least threads like this expose the blatant religious biases of certain members of P&N, though it's not as if those biases weren't readily apparent already.

WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

Whether or not allowing your daughter to die by failing to provide medical attention is worse than strapping a bomb to yourself and detonating in a public square is debatable. I'm willing to accept that the Islamic world includes more fanatics, or at least that it is depicted in this light in our media and that the actions of minorities within Islam are perhaps more sensational. However, I fail to understand how or why this thread has descended into a debate concerning which religion is responsible for supplying us with more examples of mindless zealotry.

How is it off-limits to point out an inconsistency? You guys are much more excusing in general of Muslim shortfallings. Why?

And if you ask me, allowing your daughter to die versus suicide bombing a shopping mall is not debatable in the slightest.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

A better comparison would have been to a religion that will stone a girl to death who has been suspected of having sex or a religion that will hang male minors found having gay sex. Of course, when those issues are brought up some of the very same people in here gleefully bashing Christians will rush in with claims that it's not representative of Islam, it's not representative of Muslims, it's a very small minority that practice that, blah, blah, blah. Which is really no different from this at all. All of those same excuses apply in this case.

Personally, I find it ALL to be despicable. But at least threads like this expose the blatant religious biases of certain members of P&N, though it's not as if those biases weren't readily apparent already.

WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

Whether or not allowing your daughter to die by failing to provide medical attention is worse than strapping a bomb to yourself and detonating in a public square is debatable. I'm willing to accept that the Islamic world includes more fanatics, or at least that it is depicted in this light in our media and that the actions of minorities within Islam are perhaps more sensational. However, I fail to understand how or why this thread has descended into a debate concerning which religion is responsible for supplying us with more examples of mindless zealotry.

How is it off-limits to point out an inconsistency? When and where did you see this inconsistency in this thread?
You guys are much more excusing in general of Muslim shortfallings. Again, provide evidence.
Why? I have no idea why you accuse me of being an apologist for Muslim shortcomings, do you care to explain why?
And if you ask me, allowing your daughter to die versus suicide bombing a shopping mall is not debatable in the slightest.

Fair enough, but the fact that we are talking about suicide bombings is because you and your friends brought the subject of Islamic fanaticism into a thread concerned with two so-called Christians who allowed their daughter to die. How and why you chose to focus on the aspects of Islamic terrorism within this story is entirely beyond me, but you no doubt have your reasons.

Replies in bold.

 

[jackschmittusa]

For the record, while I have no use for religion, I am not opposed to any of them on their face. I am opposed to the fanatics of any religion that kills in the name of religion or allows others to die because of it. I am opposed to the zealots that think I need to lead my life by their rules.

And anyone that thinks you need to be religious to be moral is an idiot.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Here's an idea. Let's sake some parents who are wracked with grief over their daughters death and throw them in jail just to be sure they learned their lesson. But some of you say 6 months isn't enough, either fry them or put them there for life.

i'm sure plenty of murderers have been racked with guilt and grief. Not an excuse. while life in prison is certainly too long, a few years would be very appropriate. The parents got off easy in this case, although not unreasonably easy.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Mean MrMustard
I see this as cultural/religious darwinism.

Darwin Award candidate anybody?

Too bad it wasn't one of the parents that got sick instead.

if one of the parents had gotten sick, they wouldn't have stuck on the faith healing bit so long. There is a reason most of the cases involved people kids, its much more comfortable to martyr someone else for your cause.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

The Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? The Salem Witch Trials? Oh yes, shining moments in Christianity these. What an utterly ridiculous statement spoken with profound ignorance.


As to the OP, last I checked, freedom of religion is one of the cornerstones of our society. What happens in my family due to my beliefs is my business whether that be a detriment or a saving grace. It's everyone's steadfast adherence to passing moral judgment upon one another that's led us to the society of freaking morons we live in. So many embrace Darwin's theory yet refuse to let it run it's course. If you feel it is such a terrible stance they have taken, find peace in the fact that there is one less of their seed to pollute your gene pool of righteousness.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

The Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? The Salem Witch Trials? Oh yes, shining moments in Christianity these. What an utterly ridiculous statement spoken with profound ignorance.

Actually Christianity as ridiculous as it is has moved forward and become a tad bit more civilized, Islam, not so much.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dahunan
Why allow them to continue their insanity and pollute the world with their insane beliefs that MURDERED THEIR DAUGHTER...

I guess her mother should have just had an abortion. Same outcome, but they wouldn't have gone to jail.

if you see abortion and murder as morally equivalent i think you have serious problems.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

. What happens in my family due to my beliefs is my business whether that be a detriment or a saving grace.

no, its not. Someone has to protect children from their moron parents, they aren't your property for you to do as you wish.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

. What happens in my family due to my beliefs is my business whether that be a detriment or a saving grace.

no, its not. Someone has to protect children from their moron parents, they aren't your property for you to do as you wish.

Says you, and in your defense the law in most cases as well. That doesn't change the fact that I signed no contact with you agreeing to live as you see fit and it is only by my choice that I will or will not choose to live by your morally "superior" rules. Whether you disagree or not has no bearing on that fact. Live and let live my friend, my life and my family are certainly no business of yours unless I choose to make it so.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

. What happens in my family due to my beliefs is my business whether that be a detriment or a saving grace.

no, its not. Someone has to protect children from their moron parents, they aren't your property for you to do as you wish.

Says you, and in your defense the law in most cases as well. That doesn't change the fact that I signed no contact with you agreeing to live as you see fit and it is only by my choice that I will or will not choose to live by your morally "superior" rules. Whether you disagree or not has no bearing on that fact. Live and let live my friend, my life and my family are certainly no business of yours unless I choose to make it so.

Actually if you are a citizen of the same country that I am, then you are subject to the same laws as I am. And by being a citizen you have signed a contract by default to live in accordance with the law. So the law exists to protect your child, or any child, from the stupidity and neglect of their parents.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

The Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? The Salem Witch Trials? Oh yes, shining moments in Christianity these. What an utterly ridiculous statement spoken with profound ignorance.

Actually Christianity as ridiculous as it is has moved forward and become a tad bit more civilized, Islam, not so much.

Hmm, Army of God, Christian Identity, Concerned Christians, Christian Patriots, and the Lambs of Christ. All fine examples of how Christianity is much more civilized now than Muslims yes? Just because the media has decided to shift focus to Muslim Extremists over Christian ones doesn't mean either ideology has more or less "kooks" than the other. You can say that Christians are better than Muslims but it's merely an uninformed personal opinion and nothing more. It's "in" these days to hate the "crazy Muslims."

Oh, and just in case there happens to be some of the Jewish persuasion getting up on their high horse of we're better, let us not overlook The Jewish Defense League, Brit HaKanaim, The Gush Emunim Underground, or the Israeli army for that matter.

Overall, it's pretty consistent throughout history that organized religion as a whole is a rather destructive force. The majority of believers want nothing more than peace and salvation while the active few feel the need to impose their beliefs as right on those who feel differently.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

. What happens in my family due to my beliefs is my business whether that be a detriment or a saving grace.

no, its not. Someone has to protect children from their moron parents, they aren't your property for you to do as you wish.

Says you, and in your defense the law in most cases as well. That doesn't change the fact that I signed no contact with you agreeing to live as you see fit and it is only by my choice that I will or will not choose to live by your morally "superior" rules. Whether you disagree or not has no bearing on that fact. Live and let live my friend, my life and my family are certainly no business of yours unless I choose to make it so.

Actually if you are a citizen of the same country that I am, then you are subject to the same laws as I am. And by being a citizen you have signed a contract by default to live in accordance with the law. So the law exists to protect your child, or any child, from the stupidity and neglect of their parents.

You are only subject to those laws if you choose to be. Sure, you can be punished by those who support the law if they find you to be acting outside its boundaries, but you still dictate what the law is or is not. You are the one choosing to follow "the law of the land" as it may be. The laws mere existence does not constitute your adherence to it.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek
You are only subject to those laws if you choose to be. Sure, you can be punished by those who support the law if they find you to be acting outside its boundaries, but you still dictate what the law is or is not. You are the one choosing to follow "the law of the land" as it may be. The laws mere existence does not constitute your adherence to it.

It sounds like you disagree with laws forbidding people from neglecting and killing their children. Either that or you've picked a strange subject to play devil's advocate on.

 

[JS80]

What about atheists who mistreat their kids and cause them to die. Will you FUCK ATHEISM then?
What about all the religious people who live normals lives like the rest of us?
If some hippies cause their kid to die because of holistic medicine then will you FUCK HIPPIE LIBERALS?

Stupid people are stupid. Don't pin this one on religion. There is not one passage in the Bible that discourages medical treatment. If there was, all us religious wingnuts would have been Darwin'ed out of existence.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
WTF are you talking about, as ridiculous as Christianity is Islam is much worse.

The Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? The Salem Witch Trials? Oh yes, shining moments in Christianity these. What an utterly ridiculous statement spoken with profound ignorance.

Actually Christianity as ridiculous as it is has moved forward and become a tad bit more civilized, Islam, not so much.

Hmm, Army of God, Christian Identity, Concerned Christians, Christian Patriots, and the Lambs of Christ. All fine examples of how Christianity is much more civilized now than Muslims yes? Just because the media has decided to shift focus to Muslim Extremists over Christian ones doesn't mean either ideology has more or less "kooks" than the other. You can say that Christians are better than Muslims but it's merely an uninformed personal opinion and nothing more. It's "in" these days to hate the "crazy Muslims."

Oh, and just in case there happens to be some of the Jewish persuasion getting up on their high horse of we're better, let us not overlook The Jewish Defense League, Brit HaKanaim, The Gush Emunim Underground, or the Israeli army for that matter.

Overall, it's pretty consistent throughout history that organized religion as a whole is a rather destructive force. The majority of believers want nothing more than peace and salvation while the active few feel the need to impose their beliefs as right on those who feel differently.

The difference is that Jesus taught to be humble and love your neighbors. Nowhere does he even close to imply one should go harming others. Islam on the other hand in the Koran has very explicit instructions on how to deal with infidels.

You are taking the jackholes that exploit the Christian church's religious authority for political purposes and extrapolating it to the entire people who follow Christ. Here's a clue: it's not a duck this time.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: JS80
Islam on the other hand in the Koran has very explicit instructions on how to deal with infidels.

You are taking the jackholes that exploit the Christian church's religious authority for political purposes and extrapolating it to the entire people who follow Christ. Here's a clue: it's not a duck this time.

O'rly?

To your second point, I'm saying that those who say the Muslim faith is more violent than Christianity "are taking the jackholes that exploit the Muslim church's religious authority for political purposes and extrapolating it to the entire people who follow Allah."

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: NaughtyGeek

Originally posted by: JS80
Islam on the other hand in the Koran has very explicit instructions on how to deal with infidels.

You are taking the jackholes that exploit the Christian church's religious authority for political purposes and extrapolating it to the entire people who follow Christ. Here's a clue: it's not a duck this time.

O'rly?

To your second point, I'm saying that those who say the Muslim faith is more violent than Christianity "are taking the jackholes that exploit the Muslim church's religious authority for political purposes and extrapolating it to the entire people who follow Allah."

The Koran is full of ambiguity when it comes to violence. And most followers in western countries obviously choose the "good" to trump over the ambiguity. However, like I said before, Christ is never ambiguous in his teachings; he always teaches to side with humility. Turn the other cheek. There is nothing in there you can misinterpret to commit such acts such as the Crusades.

But to your statement, we can obviously conclude that stupid people are stupid, and sociopaths are sociopaths, and its unfortunate some use religion to exploit power.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Originally posted by: JS80
stupid people are stupid, and sociopaths are sociopaths, and its unfortunate some use religion to exploit power.

+1

 

[BW86]

fvcking nut

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Patranus
While I do not agree with the families decision, it is interesting to see people who cast religion aside and favor abortion account for tens of millions of deaths each year yet the liberals cheer them instead of shun them.

So where do you draw the line? Lack of morals leading to the death of a child Vs. believing too much in their morals leading to the death of a child.

In the mind of a liberal, why is one situation not only acceptable but cheered yet in the other they should be condemned because it was based on religion?

Like much of what you comment on, this isn't about liberals, this is about religious whackos killing their kid.

So answer the question and replace religious with liberal. Yet, you can not... that is the point.

Because it's a stupid scenario. People who abort, choose NOT to have children, while these idiots apparently wanted their kid, only not enough to seek medical attention.