How dare these activist judges mess with Good Christians like this

[dahunan]

Why allow them to continue their insanity and pollute the world with their insane beliefs that MURDERED THEIR DAUGHTER...

PUT THESE fuckers in NUTHOUSE ASAP... WTF..

Parents in prayer death get 6 months in jail
http://www.google.com/hostedne...WjkJIllXXjMoQD9B5UTB80
By ROBERT IMRIE (AP) ? 8 hours ago

WAUSAU, Wis. ? A central Wisconsin couple who prayed rather than seek medical care for their 11-year-old dying daughter were sentenced Tuesday to six months in jail and 10 years probation in the girl's death.

Dale and Leilani Neumann could have received up to 25 years in prison for the March 2008 death of Madeline Neumann, who died of an undiagnosed but treatable form of diabetes. They were convicted of second-degree reckless homicide in separate trials earlier this year.

In sentencing the couple, Marathon County Circuit Court Judge Vincent Howard said the Neumanns were "very good people, raising their family who made a bad decision, a reckless decision."

"God probably works through other people," Howard told the parents, "some of them doctors."

The case was believed to be the first of its kind in Wisconsin involving faith healing in which someone died and another person was charged with a homicide.

Prosecutors contended the Neumanns recklessly killed their youngest of four children by ignoring obvious symptoms of severe illness as she became too weak to speak, eat, drink or walk. They said the couple had a legal duty to take their daughter to a doctor but relied totally on prayer for healing. The girl, known as Kara, died on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone finally called 911 after she stopped breathing.

"We are here today because to some, you made Kara a martyr to your faith," Howard told the parents.

In testimony at trial and in videotaped interviews with police, the parents said they believe healing comes from God and that they never expected their daughter to die.

During the sentencing hearing, Leilani Neumann, 41, told the judge her family is loving and forgiving and has wrongly been portrayed as religious zealots.

"I do not regret trusting truly in the Lord for my daughter's health," she said. "Did we know she had a fatal illness? No. Did we act to the best of our knowledge? Yes."

 

[guyver01]

nuthouse?

they should be in jail for LIFE...
they stood by as their daughter died.. DIED .. of a TREATABLE disease.

that should be considered murder 1 with mitigating cirrcumstances.

fry them.

 

[Red Irish]

Their daughter was a minor. She at least deserved the opportunity to reach adulthood and decide for herself whether or not she would follow in her parents' footsteps and become a religious fanatic.

No beliefs, however strongly held, can be used as justification for denying medical attention to a minor who clearly requires treatment. If anybody's god requires suffering to be inflicted on a child, that god, or rather the teachings of that religion, should be renounced immediately.

 

[Painman]

Life is the ultimate form of property. It belongs to the individual living that life, and to no other. Not even the parents, despite their smug "spiritual" certitudes.

That belief leads to all sorts of contraventions to tradition, but then again most traditions are borne of smug certitude in farcical fairytales. So fuck it, and suck it, wherever applicable.

Some are now coming to belive that their own holy book has a "liberal" bias and needs a rewrite to fit their agenda.

God help the children of such wingnuts... if there really is one.

 

[FaaR]

Religion is an interesting concept.

I once saw a movie clip from a midevial monastery in Italy, famous for its chapel which had beautiful ceiling frescoes, during an earthquake. The ceiling of the chapel collapsed and fell on some monks, killing around seven of them. It was quite a brutal sight actually, unlike a movie when people get struck by rubble, you knew those people that disappeared under smoke and debris DIED for real, right there on the screen.

So I have to wonder how religious people justify events like that. Why would any god deliberately drop his own house of worship on his followers, where's the logic in that?

It would have to be a pretty mean-spirited god to do such a thing wouldn't you say... Or an insane one.

..Or one could conclude, that there is no logic, and no god, and instead just random events that occur naturally and spontaneously.

I know which one I'd rather choose.

I was visited by a priest in school, probably over a quarter century ago now. He said he knew prayer worked because he'd lost his wallet one day, he'd prayed over it, and then recovered his wallet. I can't remember if he found it himself or if someone else did it for him.

My take on the matter of prayer is, you can't be certain prayer works unless your lost wallet appears in a puff of smoke and falls to the ground right in front of you. ...Coz, it's possible to find lost items even without praying about it, and often lost (or rather, stolen) things remain stolen no matter how much you pray about it.

 

[boomerang]

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: FaaR
Religion is an interesting concept.

I once saw a movie clip from a midevial monastery in Italy, famous for its chapel which had beautiful ceiling frescoes, during an earthquake. The ceiling of the chapel collapsed and fell on some monks, killing around seven of them. It was quite a brutal sight actually, unlike a movie when people get struck by rubble, you knew those people that disappeared under smoke and debris DIED for real, right there on the screen.

So I have to wonder how religious people justify events like that. Why would any god deliberately drop his own house of worship on his followers, where's the logic in that?

It would have to be a pretty mean-spirited god to do such a thing wouldn't you say... Or an insane one.

..Or one could conclude, that there is no logic, and no god, and instead just random events that occur naturally and spontaneously.

I know which one I'd rather choose.

I was visited by a priest in school, probably over a quarter century ago now. He said he knew prayer worked because he'd lost his wallet one day, he'd prayed over it, and then recovered his wallet. I can't remember if he found it himself or if someone else did it for him.

My take on the matter of prayer is, you can't be certain prayer works unless your lost wallet appears in a puff of smoke and falls to the ground right in front of you. ...Coz, it's possible to find lost items even without praying about it, and often lost (or rather, stolen) things remain stolen no matter how much you pray about it.

......................

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Edit: Nevermind... Just saw the other thread.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: boomerang
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Edit: Nevermind... Just saw the other thread.

:thumbsup:

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: guyver01
nuthouse?

they should be in jail for LIFE...
they stood by as their daughter died.. DIED .. of a TREATABLE disease.

that should be considered murder 1 with mitigating cirrcumstances.

fry them.

We don't fry people in this state that's Florida's and Texas's job.

 

[sandorski]

Religious Zealot Test
(if any of the following happens, see Conclusion A)

1) Your Child is Sick and while you Pray it gets sicker and Dies
....
....

Conclusion A: Yes, you are.

 

[waggy]

ok yeah they should fry.

my thoughts have been to thank God that he put some men and women with the intelligence and dedication to be doctors on this earth.

 

[Fear No Evil]

While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

 

[Grunt03]

The fools should be locked away for life, hopefully they took the additional children away for good.

 

[StageLeft]

Here's an idea. Let's sake some parents who are wracked with grief over their daughters death and throw them in jail just to be sure they learned their lesson. But some of you say 6 months isn't enough, either fry them or put them there for life.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So...
First, yeah you bet they people were negligent. They ought to be punished accordingly. So should the parents who tried to keep their kid from getting chemo for alternative medicine.

Damn alternative medicine people. Should lock all the fuckers up right now. Their belief that the crap they spew ought to end now. Hang em all

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Parents screw up their kids. It's their job. They did a great job here. They screwed up and lost their daughter. If that isn't enough punishment how can any amount of prison time be?

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

And today's prize for irrelevance and bigotry goes to...

 

[r31ncarnat3d]

I'd say its justified. Freedom of religion only as long as it doesn't interfere with the lives of others (aka indoctrination or endangerment). There's a reason why hospitals use scalpels and antibiotics now instead of prayer: it works.

IMHO, prayer only works in medical cases when the patient wants it to work (aka placebo effect), but here it looks like the girl was too sick to believe either way... so I call child endangerment.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Here's an idea. Let's sake some parents who are wracked with grief over their daughters death and throw them in jail just to be sure they learned their lesson. But some of you say 6 months isn't enough, either fry them or put them there for life.

She is in heaven now with the god that took her.. that would be their belief.. shit .. they aren't grieving.. it was gods will

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

And today's prize for irrelevance and bigotry goes to...

Bigotry? How is saying that people treat Christians and Muslims different = Bigotry?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

It does seem a little inconsistent.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

It does seem a little inconsistent.

There is a world of difference between choosing death for your own child and armed combatants killing each other.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

And today's prize for irrelevance and bigotry goes to...

Bigotry? How is saying that people treat Christians and Muslims different = Bigotry?

Fanatical Muslims killing American soldiers has little to do with the OP and I have no idea why you brought it up in this thread.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
While I don't necessarily disagree with the posts here.. it does amaze me that the same people when faced with fanatical Muslims don't show the same level of anger. Don't give your daughter medical care and you are Christian = "LET THEM FRY". Kill American Soldiers = "Its America's fault for trying to force our values on them."

It does seem a little inconsistent.

Made up ad homs like that usually do. Critical thinking is far from FNE's strong suit. It might get in the way of his ideology.

Anyway, my issue with these faith healers is that IMO they demonstrate a serious lack of faith. God already answered their prayers in the form of modern medicine, yet they persist in challenging Him for a greater sign.