How couldn't it be Romney/Rand in 2016?

Anarchist420

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I'm guilty of recycling and reforming old ideas like the Party of Lincoln always has and like the Dems have since the opportunistic New Departure proposal.

Now that's out of the way... who thinks that Romney will pick Rand Paul as his running mate? Rand Paul is like Paul Ryan except Rand Paul is an introvert and less energetic. They both support job creation with govt revenue neutrality (whatever that means).

Romney is like a combo of W Bush and HW Bush (i.e., Romney is introverted like HW Bush; but can be rude/impervious like W was sometimes). Romney gets told what to do and then de-compiles or reforms it like too many presidents have done. Romney also has RNC rules in his favor even more so than he did in 2012. Reince Priebus can't change them all by himself but he has enough control and Romney has enough wealth.

Rand Paul is like a less angry Goldwater, a younger Al Gore, an opportunist, a physician, and the New Right all reformed into himself; and he couldn't get elected president because he speaks his mind a lot yet he isn't easily fooled like most who speak their mind. In other words, he's like Ayn Rand. Very accurate deductive logic on the spot; but like Ayn Rand and myself he does not have much original thought--he may have said "the Koch Brothers should be arrested!" for polluting rather than saying something like prisons are old order and for the health of the State rather than ; he also could've proposed anti-legislation that would minimized federal control of waterways with the goal to get zero central control while also cancelling public and decentralizing private debt to take care of it. He also recycles the ages-old supply side shit and uses pro-revenue job creation rhetoric.
He could've worked with Obama to cut payroll taxes further (as obama kind of proposed) while not building more infrastructure.

Anyway, I don't dislike Romney/Rand (I may even vote for them given that I doubt they will get the electoral vote and given that they're not quite as impervious, logically compulsive, and emotionally phony as me or Hillary Clinton).

It won't happen butCongress remained how it is (i.e., same balance of power in both chambers) while Obama and a future President Gingrich could slash the bureaucracy that Bush left behind and that the GOP still supports (especially current GOP governors and Congress like they are afraid of Obama or like trying to control evan rachel wood from farting or trying to stop her from farting or going to the bathroom); without hiring me; but reversing absolute taxation (even if federal spending goes down from $4Tn this year, there won't be a global and absolute benefit of spending nothing), and reduce federal funding for cops (at least the ones in VA), sell the police dept weapons and u.s. weapons to people here and to other militaries to reduce taxation, hopefully enough will keep an eye on people like Rick Perry (so he doesn't get uniformity installed once out of office and so we texans can be freed), hopefully mcdonnell and his wife will go free and happy, no one should be signed up for medicaid against their wishes. and we need the PTCOffice people to refuse to enact intellectual property; what they did with the redskins TM was good.

of course, many current cops and police chiefs can be retired safely with a pension and replaced exclusively with people who have Weschler processing speed index and Weschler picture completion subtest scores equal to or greater than 98th percentile (compared to a representative sample). Cops like those would be more efficient and discipline couldn't be an issue as more innocents and non-aggressors could go free. Old Order judges should not be given the chance to restore what we have now; perhaps legal advice could be used from Justice Andrew Napolitano.

After all, the Constitution itself is mostly lawless (the rule of law isn't even absolute and the GOP has become tyrannical yet controls the States) as it was ratified by Elitists being secretive and using fraud with threats of violence eventually added (RI was forced into because of the U.S. Constitution's geographical centralism of the water-ways), then preserved by John Marshall through fraud and advocation of force (the 13th Amendment indicated the Party of Lincoln couldn't allow the slaves their self-determination and couldn't trust the States and the people the right to help out). Permanent Centralization of Tyranny (that would've made Lincoln blush or maybe even cry) was empowered through extreme force and aggression like would've come from someone like Adolf Hitler (i.e., 14th and 15th amendments under the power-seeking, ultra-domineering Tyrannical War President U.S.G.'s Unconditional Surrender policy) and Stalin/FDR/Mussolini (16th Amendment); there is no way to repeal the 14th completely, and no popular liberty alternatives on the 16th. I mean, consumption taxes are income taxes; and more uniform taxation won't reduce tyranny.

And please remember, all income taxed closer to the same marginal rate can't increase private savings by itself as those with AGI not in the top marginal bracket are not more or less "productive" given: that value is subjective and any red tape like for licensed professionals and CEOs keeps honest liberty down. Maybe if the first supply-side Presidency and Congress (that is, Reagan's admin and Jack Kemp's well intended "Democratic capitalism!") had let absolute revenue go down from what Carter's Admin took in ... then perhaps future tax cuts could've been large absolute reductions in revenue ... that way, less spending (which was for unpopular programs) could've occurred (vs what actually did under Bush). All that would've been so popular that the GOP and Obama would've liked them enough to keep them.

Unfortunately, Bush's bureaucracy and Clinton's were both super-expensive even though the latter was "efficiency regs" (The New Democrats and Al Gore were Business-minded as moderation is when the govt and firms are like nannies). Regs give a signal that they will always work and that signal is dangerous. Martin Van Buren was less regulatory and Ron Paul would've been the second, and William Henry Harrison was the perfect president (especially with John Tyler as his running mate). Back then the military was protective of the U.S. citizenry's interests (everything was actually democratic back then due to more of the Sibero-Celtic, White Irish, Protestant, Jewish mtDNA super haplogroup U) close to its own turf back then. It can't be restored here though. It will have to be in Israel when the Constitution is discarded (separation of powers in particular).

Clinton was an observant interventionist abroad who was more aware (he always knew who to trust as well as who not to trust while being able to act on it for the present, but definitely not for much good futurity).

Somewhat differently, bush was a typical Hamiltonian Party of Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR internationalist war American.

Also somewhat differently, boots on the ground in iraq wasn't as scary as what NATO did to the serbs, Dick Cheney made sure his company gave Clinton a deal on it, and imagining what saddam hussein did may have been scarier than when clinton's admin starved all those iraqis to death (i.e., bush's warfare was old-fashioned and was less scary to the more direct victims than the Clinton Admin's originally sadistic warfare). But unlike Bill Clinton, I have been impervious (or at least not as kind and gentle as Clinton) and I have been not at all aware of tricks. Then Osama Bin Laden was a fighter for freedom and his people yets clinton's myopic admin and support for aggression [i.e., president clinton and his admin had not much respect for all sovereignties; they were good for their time, but they illustrated why no sovereignty can be centrally planned for futurity to have a healthy balance of liberty and care for others] gave Bush the wrong signals which allowed for the Saudis to trick Bush into letting the murder. Then Bush enabled Obama to go after Bin Laden because Bush couldn't make it clear that he made a mistake and that Bin Laden was actually our friend.

But please always remember, rulers and ruling classes are neither good nor necessary to have and are never well-overthrown by centralization. IOW, The NAP can't be enforced; but private property rights or public privileges are ultimately enforced by centralization; The market is naturally free which is voluntary and non-coercive human action so liberty is protected without anything being reduced to protect that liberty.
 

Newell Steamer

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Mitt smash!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...fee064-2629-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story.html

Mitt is a class act - he froths at the mouth for being questioned about his mormon faith and how it should not affect how people view him as a politician,.. yet, his religion influences his political drive and direction.

Sorry dude, you ARE your magical underwear, since your magical underwear is driving how I can/will live in this country.

It's pretty simple; keep your religion out of government.
 

Londo_Jowo

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1) Romney is an idiot

2) Either Paul is an idiot

3) Republican need to put forth a strong moderate candidate or lose again

4) A strong 3rd party moderate Libertarian will come forward and win the election
 

bunnyfubbles

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its such a massive waste of money for this guy to run for president, there's just no way he can win as a mormon unless the dem candidate is an atheist or muslim
 

JMapleton

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Romney and Rand are nothing alike.

Rand/Carson in 2016 is our only hope.
 

Anarchist420

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Romney and Rand are nothing alike. Rand/Carson in 2016 is our only hope.
they're pretty objectivist and executive-like. Rand's ideas are proven New Rightist; they're closer "pro-wealthy" Keynesian than they are to the Chicago School or Austrian School for fucks sake. The Chicago school (and milton friedman) seems actually more grounded in the present and more Jeffersonian than Mises' Austrian School. Problem is, no one is really happy under central planning while liberty is hope.

I am sure Newt is God's Elect, but he's like James Madison made visible, with a big ego and maybe less scary to some. Mr. Obama self-identifying as black didn't gain himself enough acceptance; he loaned power to Ancient Regime ideas.

A possible problem for society is that it would take like 40 years of consecutive INTP (or one who is really Autistic-like and with a very low right hand 2d4d ratio) to wipe me out enough so a new and original generation of ingenuity and libertarians could come along. It's like I am inherently represented by 14th Amendment A+ Authoritarianism; maybe that's what my mtDNA was formed of. I know my matrilineal blood type in the earliest stages of nature was closest to AB+ even if my mom and her grandmother could never have tested like that. But O and Rh - were likely the original blood as neither of those have the human antigens; they're naturally the bodies of the people as O and - combined builds up anti-bodies to me. I hate myself.
 

lopri

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There is no obvious front runner, I think. Media has not picked their favorites yet.

Are people really worried about Romney's religion? I thought it was a non-issue.
 

sm625

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Mitt Romney is a guaranteed loss. I would hope that Rand wouldnt even let himself be put on the same ticket as Romney. As for those who want repugs to run someone who "can win". What has that mentality gotten you these last 30 years? Picking someone who can win is conceding defeat by default. It is the elite owned media who decides who is a candidate who "can win". And unless you feel their interests align with yours, you shouldnt let them frame our electoral paradigm.
 
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A420 I know you have a thing for blood types, are Romney & Ryan compatible blood types? Maybe that's why they failed?
 

shortylickens

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Romney is perfectly fine with Christians running the GOP, so no, he is nothing like Lincoln.
 

Anarchist420

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Gen. Grant and Sen. Goldwater were a lot alike (both were often angry; both wanted to be independent; both believed all their enemies could wiped out). They were also different from each other. Grant may have been hyper-gonadal but not as ultra-testosteronal as I am or like his buddy Sherman. Angry people are often slaves to their own minds. I know I am slave to my own mind.

But really, the Party of Lincoln has usually been supported by warvangelicals as bloggers on LRC call them (e.g., Beecher Stowe and family, Susan B Anthony; then moral frauds got spread on southerners). The Taft family of OH are exceptions to the GOP being the party of great moral frauds. And the Liberal Party has, since the days of Jefferson and Jackson, been less religiously fanatical (Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren were the first two Presidents to be life-long self-confessed Trinitarians yet they supported religious freedom; Wilson was the only Democratic Party President who was all that intolerant of some religions while convinced his was right).
 

Bitek

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I was thinking he will have a real shot as the GOP is such a mess.

Rand is a loose cannon with a loony father and a loony following. Has a chance only if he can shed that image.

Christie is a loud, fat fuck from Jersey (yea:\) with legal troubles and a weak record. For starters...

Bush. No. Over before it began. Ted Cruz. Ha!. Walker? A big maybe. Rubio? Ha HA ha ha HA! And no.

Romney has tons of money and can get backed by the right people. The 47% comment will seem old and stale (reminds me to get a new avatar), plus he knows the gameplan now. He can pound his "Russia is a threat" comment he got burned on in 08 as a big badge of honor against Clinton as she will have to defend all the wasted efforts trying to rest w/ Russia that didn't work out.

If I were him I'd really think about it.
 

MongGrel

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1) Romney is an idiot

2) Either Paul is an idiot

3) Republican need to put forth a strong moderate candidate or lose again

4) A strong 3rd party moderate Libertarian will come forward and win the election


I'll go with the first two at least.
 

DominionSeraph

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He can pound his "Russia is a threat" comment he got burned on in 08 as a big badge of honor against Clinton as she will have to defend all the wasted efforts trying to rest w/ Russia that didn't work out.

Trying to bring up Russia could easily make Romney look like a buffoon since he'd have to justify what he'd have done differently. There's no way he'd be able to get out of saying he'd have taken a hardline approach, but there's little chance that the argument of, "Russia would have backed down before my superior White Christian visage," would sound convincing to anyone but the far right. He'd be destroyed with continued refrains of, "So, if you were President we'd be at war with Russia right now."
 

Bitek

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Trying to bring up Russia could easily make Romney look like a buffoon since he'd have to justify what he'd have done differently. There's no way he'd be able to get out of saying he'd have taken a hardline approach, but there's little chance that the argument of, "Russia would have backed down before my superior White Christian visage," would sound convincing to anyone but the far right. He'd be destroyed with continued refrains of, "So, if you were President we'd be at war with Russia right now."

IDK, I don't think it would be that hard to go on about sanctions/ arms to allies/ strong leadership and get by.

The harder sell is what to do next. Even then, he still has his own "Obama Iraq war I told you so " moment. He can use that to bash Hillary, and then try and equate her with Obama's other foreign policy "mishaps."

She will have to be playing defense over the whole Obama legacy even if she doesn't want to.
 

Anarchist420

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I was thinking he will have a real shot as the GOP is such a mess. Rand is a loose cannon with a loony father and a loony following. Has a chance only if he can shed that image. Christie is a loud, fat fuck from Jersey (yea) with legal troubles and a weak record. For starters... Bush. No. Over before it began. Ted Cruz. Ha!. Walker? A big maybe. Rubio? Ha HA ha ha HA! And no. Romney has tons of money and can get backed by the right people. The 47% comment will seem old and stale (reminds me to get a new avatar), plus he knows the gameplan now. He can pound his "Russia is a threat" comment he got burned on in 08 as a big badge of honor against Clinton as she will have to defend all the wasted efforts trying to rest w/ Russia that didn't work out. If I were him I'd really think about it.
I agree except Ron Paul doesn't understand; he's cute, goofy, and kind of conservatively gay like my dad. I agree about W Mitt Romney especially given that he has the RNC rules in the favor. Reince Priebus (i am sorry if I misspelled that) doesn't like change so he isn't going to nominate anyone else. Not that he could make a good president as he'd do everything bad that Obama was unable to (like personally enforce and increase the red tape, increase revenues, increase trade agreements, invite all immigrants; abrupt min wage increase, couldnt stop an attack on his own, and maybe even go to extreme war measures like nuking iran given Mitt's history of nearly sucking the compulsive Bibi's cock). The problem with Romney, myself, and Sen. Clinton is hypocrisy of the extraverted thinking with introverted sensing (Te and Si) which can't reduce risks in the present or in the future and it means a lack of new and original idea generation. Romney and Clinton flipflop in the same way I do... it is worse than anything JFKerry ever did.

Of all the Democrats, I'd rather just have Obama again. Maybe Elizabeth Warren if I knew more about her, but then maybe not. Biden could win, but he would possibly overalign with opinions he saw and that is dangerous (at least in terms of debt) given all the love for national security now and in the foreseeable future (Grover Cleveland was right to minimize the Annexation Treaty although he had too much extraverted thinking to not cause the Panic of 1893 and too much of a desire for duty to not fire all the bureaucrats which made the panic happen given he had to drive up the price of gold to do it). Obama knows who is not a threat and he knows Edward Snowden will adapt and be fine. He doesn't like the GOP's compulsivity with tax rates (they'll never be 88% again and even then others regs or wars would be so powerful as to re-enforce dominance by the u.s.g.), he hasn't enacted capital controls like bush did against swiss banks and taxpayer to boost marginal rates, and Mr. Obama has given professionals and wall street all the regs and positive freedom they could want. My parents are so moralistic that they actually paid the full psychiatric, labs, and ambulances bill all at once; their names weren't even on the signature. they should've paid no more than 10% of what they were asked for by the ER, paid 1/2 of what the psychward demanded of them to copay, and they should've paid the ambulance company 2/3. I would've let riverside's bureaucracy and the ambulance company waste money sending bills and then shred them without even opening them. What a wasted opportunity to set a good example due to my parents! especially since we moved out of Good News; Riverside straightup sucks as an institution and it usually has even since the mediocre/lousy care my mom got there when I was a baby. Sentara was okay. the care, food, and beverages everyone got at riverside were terrible and I was a lot more co-erced into it than the more fun much less expensive stay that I had at VA Beach Psychiatric in '12. VA Beach Psychiatric had excellent food, excellent polite anti-vaccine beautiful social worker (pure Noric-Celtic type; she was a nice pretty anti-vaccine extravert probably an ESFJ like my middle school special ed teacher and my K and Grade 1 teachers) who saved my mom when I was there. VA Beach psychiatric had Minimal waste on security (they disregarded the referring psychiatrist's recommendations) although the nurses at both Riverside and VA beach psychiatric were nice (Mark T. Schriber was the nicest psychiatrist I've had lately especially about putting up with disorder and he was also an old INFJ like my dad so he had doubts about extreme order). Basically, the worst he has done is allowed Blagojevich to go to jail for as long as he did; but that was Bush's FBI dept. The media is more transparent under Obama because the market corrected Bush's centralizations. And Colorado enforced marijuana prohibition (and still does with unnecessary baby-step policy when they could just general sales tax it as a general item if sold in a store and not regulate it) while the DoJ threatened it; Holder didn't even deserve all the blame. Maybe if the Congressional Party of Lincoln could make an absolute spending reduction deal with Obama and not get compulsive about or fear losing it, then the marijuana prohibition wouldn't have even been an issue. Sure Boehner cares, but he is traditionalist and he cares most about what popular opinion is in the house. He is like Sarah Palin; a true family member who cries a lot but is not meant to be a civil servant in the given climate.

Hillary Clinton could get people like me who can't adapt as well as Snowden exiled or something like that because she doesn't always trust the people like I don't always. But the U.S. Constitution may not allow for a female President anyway. And of all the Neo-Republican Partymen, Newt has been less conservative, more anti-tax, less pro-revenue, and of more independent mind than all the other Neo-Cons. Newt may be who Obama should've been. Donald Trump (ESTP) comes in a close 2nd place for the GOP; he is willing to share his wealth and he will let his go down for justice.

Rand Paul and Ben Carson are more Reaganite than Ronald Reagan himself was with extreme extraverted thinking and no new ideas and all that puts others at risk; Rand proposed non-spending cuts with "smart surveillance" at home and centralized planning of weapons and bases abroad. If they support huge hospitals, huge business, and huge strcuture, then they would replace medicare with some other managed plan or something like EMTALA on a larger scale. the u.s.g. may or may not ever end patents, copyrights, and trademarks, but at least Obama's Admin hasn't enforced them as much or isnt as much anymore (at least not on my internet connection). Bush and his GOP Congress threatened everything and everyone though plus they paid tons of bureaucrats tons of money. So it is better to have slower acceleration in spending that could virtually freeze if left alone and non-existent income tax increases than it is to have extroverted thinking in office again. Again, with the exception of Harding and Coolidge, Republicans always tax more absolutely than the Democrats they replace and they always devalue the dollar more, which allows higher absolute spending. The dollar can be stabilized by legal tender repeal; no devout Neo-Republicans wanted a wall between banking, gold, God, and the State like Ron Paul did and they didn't want absolute revenue reduction from Newt Gingrich either. Instead, they were scared of all the muslims when BUSH's incompetent ass may have INVITED THE HOUSE OF SAUD OVER! Bush killed bin laden anyway and didn't even realize it. Obama campaigned on it because he knew it was not of risk to kind of lie about it and that some would look back and find it funny. He also made sure he cut himself down to not alienate people especially his audience. I wish I had been born with his precision introverted thinking. I wish I could find that video of him campaigning in '08 but it isn't necessary for independent people and he shouldn't be forced to admit that Bin Laden was dead before '02.

But I don't think we can get an INTP or a Richard Stallman martin Van Buren type (who is actually a lot like ron paul) elected to the white house in 2016. Remember, experimentation by creators like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison (Ti/Ne) is good because the creator is precise; he can pre-calculate unlike most men. Ti/Se and Ne/Ti are very good too and they're the INTPs very best friend. Fe/Si is good. Se is good. But Ni/Te and Te/Ni make leaders with HUGE legs while Te/Si and Si/Te are incompetent.
So Romney would probably unleash the cops and the dude couldn't cut spending absolutely and couldn't revenues absolutely; he would cut tax rates for some professionals and some of his associates. Rand Paul is pro-revenue compared to Gingrich's optional FlatTax and the former will try to jester to get what he wants whereas Newt is precise and explains everything that he's allowed to.