How could we improve the American Republic?

[stateofbeasley]

Abolish Republicans

The Republicans are abolishing themselves. By moving further and further to the Right and conducting political hit jobs on moderates within the party, they are losing people in the center.

Demographics also bode very ill for the Republicans. Younger people tend to vote Democratic. Minorities are generally turned off by Republicans constantly spewing thinly veiled hate against illegal immigrants, which is basically just another way of saying they hate non-white, non Christian people. The rhetoric emphasizing the word "alien" is an attempt to dehumanize people not like them.

Hispanics are the fastest growing segment of the US population, and Republicans are losing badly with this demographic.

The marketplace of ideas will ultimately destroy the GOP if it can't get its act together.

This is a party that traded ideas for ignorance, and fiscal responsibility for Imperialism and Nation Building. It is a party that is interested in power and not the people.

 

[Double Trouble]

Abolish Republicans

Yeah, a one party system of rule is such a great idea! You're such a retard....

The Republicans are abolishing themselves. By moving further and further to the Right and conducting political hit jobs on moderates within the party, they are losing people in the center.

Demographics also bode very ill for the Republicans. Younger people tend to vote Democratic.

Younger people have always been more liberal than their parents, so they would vote democratic. Once they grow up and gain some maturity, they learn how the world really works, they lose some of their youthful naiveté and stupidity, and move over towards conservatism.

 

[stateofbeasley]

Younger people have always been more liberal than their parents, so they would vote democratic.

People would have to become insane to switch to the conservative ideology.

Over the past 30 years, what has this morally and intellectually bankrupt ideology gotten us?

(1) A nation where employment and health care are so unstable in some regions that is damned difficult to raise a family.

(2) A national debt that spiraled out of control, starting with Reagan and continued without limit by W. Bush and abetted by Republicans in Congress.

(3) The expansion of America into an Empire, which the American people frankly do not want to pay for, in blood or increased deficits. Now we are stuck, because of a wasteful blunder into Iraq and a failure to finish Afghanistan while we had the advantage.

(4) A Republican party that seems more interested in Power for the sake of Power than anything else. The social darwinian ideas of many of my conservative friends confirm this. Power is their only end goal.

(5) Deregulation or failure to enforce existing regulation that caused the markets to melt themselves down. Alan Greenspan admitted that the greed of big business ultimately wrecked the free market.

Insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting the same result.

I happen to live in the real world. I've seen my colleagues dragging massive amounts of student debt around like the chains on Jacob Marley's ghost. I've seen people laid off or fired through no fault of their own because of the recession. I've seen people lose their health care and/or be denied coverage for preexisting conditions.

The "real world" has screwed the average, hard working American for the past 30 years, while big business executives and Wall Street reaped all the reward. Conservatism gave the people at the top the excuse and the tools to create this mess.

I cannot think of anyone I know in the 30-35 age bracket who has become more "conservative" with age. When you have real responsibilities like a family to feed, a mortgage to pay, and maybe aging/disabled parents to support, the effects of what conservatism has done to this country are glaringly apparent.

The conservative movement might have done great things for America. But they blew it, blew it worse than the New York Yankees during the 2004 ALCS championship.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, a one party system of rule is such a great idea! You're such a retard....



Younger people have always been more liberal than their parents, so they would vote democratic. Once they grow up and gain some maturity, they learn how the world really works, they lose some of their youthful naiveté and stupidity, and move over towards conservatism.

That's actually incorrect. Nearly everyone on average becomes more liberal as their life goes on, it's just that society liberalizes faster than people do so on the whole you move more towards the conservative end of the relative scale even though you've moved to the left on the absolute one. Here's a link to an article on a recent study: http://www.livescience.com/health/080310-liberal-seniors.html

The idea of people becoming more conservative with age is a myth.

 

[piasabird]

Apathy among voters is pure baloney. What great hope did we have a choice to vote for? What we need is term limits in congress to get rid of the people we voted for and constantly bring in new blood. The main problem is you can not get rid of the losers we have to choose from.

 

[dmcowen674]

Younger people have always been more liberal than their parents, so they would vote democratic.

Once they grow up and gain some maturity, they learn how the world really works, they lose some of their youthful naiveté and stupidity, and move over towards conservatism.

What the hell for? You get older and suddenly hate America?

 

[Zorkorist]

Perot didn't have to beg for campaign contributions, he had his own money from his business, unlike most potiticians who have to raise shitloads from where ever they can get it.

That was the beauty of Perot.

Here's a man willing to put his dollar where his mouth is.

While I don't expect there to be another Perot soon, I will vote for him if he comes. And I will be forevor ashamed for voting Bush over Perot.

 

[Fenixgoon]

What the hell for? You get older and suddenly hate America?

you get old and start to like money.

 

[glenn1]

What the hell for? You get older and suddenly hate America?

Nope, just Americans like you.

 

[dawp]

Yeah, a one party system of rule is such a great idea! You're such a retard....

get rid of both main parties and have a number of small ones.

Younger people have always been more liberal than their parents, so they would vote democratic. Once they grow up and gain some maturity, they learn how the world really works, they lose some of their youthful naiveté and stupidity, and move over towards conservatism.

Not really. From my experience, most people learn politics from there parents and vote the way their parents do. Very rarely do they change views. Usually it has to do with how much they earn, the more they make the more conservative they become.

 

[Zorkorist]

This is why I think it should be a simple war, to wipeout Islam for once and for all.

There is no sense in negotiating with these people, there is no sense in letting them be.

From Iraq to Medina, Mecca, let it be.

 

[Carmen813]

Thread derailment complete. Petition for lock?

 

[dawp]

This is why I think it should be a simple war, to wipeout Islam for once and for all.

There is no sense in negotiating with these people, there is no sense in letting them be.

From Iraq to Medina, Mecca, let it be.

Why stop at islam?

 

[Zorkorist]

This thread is on topic, maybe you should post on topic?

 

[Zorkorist]

Why stop at islam?

Other Religions aren't committing Terrorism. They seem to be happy with trying to evangelize.

 

[dawp]

Other Religions aren't committing Terrorism. They seem to be happy with trying to evangelize.

bullshit. christians have, hindus have, name one religion that has never had a terrorist.

 

[Zorkorist]

Buhdists.
(Did I win something?)

I don't care what folks have done in the past, or religous freaks in the present...

You said it yourself, that most kids grow up in their parent's religion.

What in the world do you expect rational man to do, when faced by a bunch of Islamic freaks that are trying to kill him?

There really is only one solution, kill them first.

 

[dawp]

that's like blaming all christians for the actions of the IRA

 

[Zorkorist]

I know it's rough, and I don't mean kill them all, but I used to think Iraq and Afghanistan were enough of a response. Obviousely, they are not.

So, if they are not, what is?

 

[fskimospy]

Buhdists.
(Did I win something?)

I don't care what folks have done in the past, or religous freaks in the present...

You said it yourself, that most kids grow up in their parent's religion.

What in the world do you expect rational man to do, when faced by a bunch of Islamic freaks that are trying to kill him?

There really is only one solution, kill them first.

I think this is the root of our problem. We view a movement that as a whole has a very rational basis for opposing us as some sort of collection of freaks and insane people. While this helps us feel better about ourselves, it does very little to solve the problem.

I see this over and over again, from Islamists to Iran to North Korea, all of our enemies are always labeled as insane. They aren't. This doesn't mean we have to like them, and we should most certainly oppose them with every fiber in our being because there are quite a few people out there who would like nothing better than to destroy us, but to brush them off as crazy not only insults them, but endangers us.

 

[dawp]

We also have a habit of going in with guns blazing without stopping to think that maybe that is not the best course of action. We have done it time and again and it almost never ends well.

 

[Zorkorist]

I'm only brushing them as crazy because I am arguing...

If I only had one stroke to brush them with, it would be dangerous.

Thw point I am trying to get across is that I can't seeany relief from these people.

You''re right in that I don't care personally, but in the big picture, is the U.S. going to except XYZ losses per year?

I guess we will, as the Government won't act against Islam.

But then the more pernicious thing is when your neghborhood is Muslim, and you are the odd man out.

Dunno... I won't see any of this, but ya'll should know it is coming.

 

[dawp]

the current situation has been building up since the end of WWII if not earlier. If we had handled the foreign policy with an eye towards benifiting the locals instead of how it will best serve us and damn all esle, I really don't think we would be having the trouble we are having now.

just about all our foreign policy has been for short term profits and not long term sustainability.

 

[Zorkorist]

It's not our fault.

We've warred with Japan, Russia, Spain. Germany, etc.

These people are warring with us, and all of a sudden we should not fight back?

This third world country, third world religion, wants a piece of us?

I say give them all they can handle. Teach them all about the West.

 

[dawp]

Are you sayng we didn't replace a democratically elected government and replace it with the shah of iran because they wanted to nationalize the oil production and british protroleum would have lost lots of money?