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Fern

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Damaging golf? No more than John Daly's drunkard ways did when he was in his "prime"(or rather was the longest hitter on tour)

As to the "greats" of golf. I'd be surprised if they stay away for too long. If I were a betting man I'd say one or more of them actually gets MORE involved with Tiger to help him through this and get his mind right.
Yeah, I can see some golfing great stepping forward and taking tiger under his wing, possibly with the theme of his needing a new father figure since Earl's death. (Fuzzy took on Daly as his 'science project', but didn't really work.)

But IMO, there's a big difference between Daly, who basically had a drinking problem, and Tiger's situation. Daly's background and image was that of a long-hitting drunken hillbilly, so no one can say it was unexpected or surprising. Tiger's background and image is much different etc.

I assume Tiger will keep winning (if he doesn't will they blame it on this - a distraction - and keep it in the news?) And I wanna see how the golf journalists will approach this. Will they act like it never happened? Or will they keep bringing it up? (Tiger do you think this win at a major redeems your reputation and puts the scandel of marital affairs behind you? etc)

Fern
 

shira

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He'll temporarily lose some endorsements but as soon as this blows over and he starts winning again, it will be forgotten.
As to the talking head shrinks - no shit he has deep character flaws - we all do but they don't usually grow to that level because we don't have the amount of "power" that people like Tiger have. Power and fame show this to be the case repeatedly.
His inner circle is going to be studied by many. How did so many people know for so long, let it happen for so long, yet there was nary a leak of it to the golf fan world(some fans knew of his playboy ways however).
Damaging golf? No more than John Daly's drunkard ways did when he was in his "prime"(or rather was the longest hitter on tour)

As to the "greats" of golf. I'd be surprised if they stay away for too long. If I were a betting man I'd say one or more of them actually gets MORE involved with Tiger to help him through this and get his mind right.


All that said, it's just another example of the truth always coming out. Those who cheat can only get away with it for so long before they make a mistake and get "caught".
Daly was always been viewed as a good ol' party boy, so his drunkenness was totally "in character" with his public image, even if it really messed up his game.

Tiger, however, has always projected this squeaky-clean image. So all of these "other women" coming out of the woodwork make Tiger look like a big phony. If there'd been exactly one "other woman," maybe this would simply have blown over. But with so many, Tiger has been transformed into a major sleeze-bag. I think he'll eventually recover (I hope he will), but I wouldn't be surprised if he has his worst golf-year ever in 2010.
 

shira

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And I wanna see how the golf journalists will approach this. Will they act like it never happened? Or will they keep bringing it up? (Tiger do you think this win at a major redeems your reputation and puts the scandel of marital affairs behind you? etc)

Fern
"So, Tiger, how are Elin and the kids doing back in Sweden?"
 

BeauJangles

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Wait? 11? Wasn't the last post about #7?

I see... you're counting the 3 unnamed ones. A few of these have got to be fake, right? .... Right?
 

shira

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This is an absolutely fascinating story on Deadspin.

Rachel Uchitel and Kalika Moquin apparently provide Tiger with his girls, anywhere in the world. And Joselyn James is apparently Tiger's main squeeze. And these are services that LOTS of athletes and sports reporters use.

http://deadspin.com/5416948/chaos-in-tigerland-a-deadspin-investigation-into-the-expensive-sexual-habits-of-pro-athletes

Here's a story about three women and their relationships with Tiger Woods. One is a porn star you haven't met. The other two are rumored mistresses, but they're really much more important than that. Welcome to Tigerland.

The biggest misconception about the Tiger cheating scandal is that Rachel Uchitel and Kalika Moquin, two of the first three women named by the tabloids, were his full-time lovers. They may have been at some point (especially Rachel, some say on numerous occasions) but that was not their primary function. No, Uchitel's main job was to provide women for Tiger during his globetrotting excursions to various tournaments, charity functions and fuck-and-run private-jet weekends with his Fortune 500 party pals that he seemed to enjoy so much. Kalika Moquin? Many Las Vegas insiders doubt that she ever slept with Tiger. But she did set him up with some sweet VIP service at The Bank or at Bare like any good hostess would: a roomful of available girls with a certain look that Tiger wanted, flown in just for the occasion. This is the world of high-end nightclub VIP treatment, where velvet ropes guard comfy, cloistered areas with leathery couches and bottles of Grey Goose, everything catered to the wishes of the much sought-after professional athlete clientele. And, yes, sports fans, that means loading their velvet-roped stable with fake-boobied ponies to fuck. "The fact that people don't understand that these affairs are well-orchestrated is pretty naive," says one VIP concierge who has worked with Uchitel (we'll call him "Serge" for the sake of not always having to say "VIP Concierge Number 1" when using his quotes). "Rachel Uchitel works for Tiger the minute he gets off the plane wherever he is: from dinner, to photos, to nightclubs, to drugs, to girls — whatever he wants."

And Tiger's a mighty whale. Serge estimates she's probably on retainer for about 10-15k per month to handle all his dirty business, and the tips for successful Tiger poontang-wrangling (among other things) could net her upwards of 50k in tips. Rachel knows not to mess around with somebody like Tiger; that whole "I didn't bang Tiger!" charade she pulled with anybody who asked after the National Enquirer tailed her to Melbourne may have been somewhat true (meaning: she's not his main chick), but Tiger's probably not concerned with whatever she has to say about their true-or-false copulation activities — he's more concerned that she knows how Tiger's been feeding off a menu of 20-and-30-something bubbleheads for years provided to him by Uchitel via her concierge service. No, it's not exactly prostitution — but these girls are flown in from LA to Vegas for a weekend of all-expenses and free drinks and admission into this world of über-rich sleaziness. If a famous athlete takes an interest, they certainly have the option to do whatever it is they want (no pressure!). So Rachel? She basically got caught in Melbourne on one of her many girl-corralling expeditions for one of her most important clients, which is a crucial part of her job.

"She knows everybody and everybody knows her," Serge says. "The clubs pay her big money for the clients that she brings in. She's not a fucking floozy or nothing. She's a real event planner. She's not just some girl that lifts up the velvet rope and sucks guy's dicks. She's the kind of girl that when you talk to her, you know, she's all business. She's beautiful, she's smart and her agenda is to land big clients — not big boyfriends." And if Uchitel were to start dishing, then plenty of other Sportsmen of the Year — not to mention certain members of the media who cover them — would suffer a similar fate as Tiger. There are many, many, many doors that many, many, many people would prefer stay tightly closed for now.

So think of Rachel not as a spurned mistress but more as a faithful confidante in Woods' elite inner circle. She knows where all the coochie is buried (even more than we know at this time), and if there has been any kind of financial transaction made for her silence, it was done with that in mind. Another equally viable alternative is that Rachel had the good sense to know she'll have quite a career for herself in this "legit" business once all this Tiger mess has passed. She knows how to honor the omerta of all VIP hosts that Tiger paid big money for her to observe.

Same thing Kalika, whom Serge describes as a "goody-two-shoes" of the Vegas nightlife scene, someone who's so meticulous about her work that she'd never entertain the notion of sleeping with Tiger simply because it would be very bad for business. "Fucking Tiger would be really terrible for her reputation as a marketing and event planner for these places. There's big money in that. She's legit, dude!" (Yes, Serge says, "Legit, dude!" just as you'd expect he would.)

The one girl who didn't surprise anyone in this mess is budding reality star Jaimee Grubbs. According to VIP Concierge # 2 (let's call him, I don't know, "Jorge"), she was wrangled for a weekend, possibly by some folks at The Bank (where Kalika just so happened to work), but she was always such an attention whore that a kajillion-word Us Weekly article buttressed with saved text messages and voicemails fit her profile to a capital extra "E." "Everyone on the scene knew who Jaimee was in Vegas the minute she stepped off the plane," Jorge says. "She dated a guy at The Bank for a long time." She had big plans, big dreams, she was gonna be a star ... but she fell in love with Tiger while watching Angels & Demons. That'll help a career, won't it? Dum-dum.

Jaimee (and the other little yapping Tiger girls) annoyed the crap out one of Tiger's mistresses — a person who actually considered herself a "full-time" of Tiger's thanks to years of faithful service to his virulent sexual appetite. Ladies and gentlemen, meet Veronica Siwik-Daniels aka Joslyn James, a double-D brunette whose specialties include being double-penetrated on camera in many NSFW films.

But Jorge, proud Facebook friend of Miss Siwik-Daniels, said that this status update she posted on Dec. 2 was meant for all the ladies running their mouth about her man, Eldrick.

"I find it comical when certain individuals have no life of their own and want to be ME...so terribly bad. LMAO!"
The emphasis on "ME," says Jorge, was Veronica's way of respecting her unique relationship with Tiger and not becoming part of the screeching hordes. She did not return a message left on her phone requesting comment. Good for her.

Jorge was less discreet, however, telling me that Joslyn used love to talk about "all the freaky shit Tiger dug in bed," and that every time he'd come to town he'd pay for a visit. You know, with cash.

But here's what we've learned throughout this Tiger mess, which, in many ways, may change how some of these athletes are covered. Athletes have utilized the VIP service to engage in their affairs (and meet possible mistresses) for the sake of (supposed) privacy, philandering without the hassle of having to do any work themselves to land these women. It's a dirty business all around. But what to do now, since Tiger has gone and messed it up for a bunch of people who were pretty safe from prying eyes and camera lenses whenever they stepped out on their wives and girlfriends during Vegas weekends? CHAOS REIGNS ...
 
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Yeah, they represent views of all African-Americans.
Tiger could regain the support and affection of the African American community if he murdered his wife. There is historical precedence for this with the OJ Simpson case.
 

BMW540I6speed

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I'm stunned Tiger could keep 10+ side dishes out of the spotlight given his level of fame. We've never even heard the "Tiger seen prowling the clubs at Vegas" stories prior to this.
Of Course, he is pretty good at keeping his private life private, but still, you'd think that the rumors would've been floating heavy at some point, or even a jilted fling would've gotten pissed and outed him by now.

Considering how todays media works, factor in:

It's a matter of what the market will bear. Prior to this, one photo or set of photos of Tiger and some unknown woman in Vegas, or one "I slept with Tiger" story from an unknown woman, would not have been salable, because most people wouldn't believe there was anything to it. Elin being angry and chasing Tiger with a golf club, or whatever actually happened, made it clear that there is something to these rumors, so now people are willing to believe. Until now, publishing photos or stories along these lines would have done more harm to the journalist or photographer's career than to Tiger's career. Tiger's name and face sold a lot of papers, and to cross him would have been like burning up money.

So why is all this coming out so suddenly and all at once? Because it seems the media was waiting for this day:

http://www.news.com.au/world/magazine-may-have-covered-up-affairs/story-e6frfkyi-1225806426775

Hello: Mr. Woods, this is the Enquirer. We have video of you porking the waitress, but we won't release it IF you give us an exclusive for Men's Fitness." Tabloids had the photos; they were just hanging on to them until they became salable. The media doesn't love Tiger personally; they loved what he could do for him. They're loving what he's doing for them now. What the market will bear.
 

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Yeah, I can see some golfing great stepping forward and taking tiger under his wing, possibly with the theme of his needing a new father figure since Earl's death. (Fuzzy took on Daly as his 'science project', but didn't really work.)

But IMO, there's a big difference between Daly, who basically had a drinking problem, and Tiger's situation. Daly's background and image was that of a long-hitting drunken hillbilly, so no one can say it was unexpected or surprising. Tiger's background and image is much different etc.

I assume Tiger will keep winning (if he doesn't will they blame it on this - a distraction - and keep it in the news?) And I wanna see how the golf journalists will approach this. Will they act like it never happened? Or will they keep bringing it up? (Tiger do you think this win at a major redeems your reputation and puts the scandel of marital affairs behind you? etc)

Fern
IMO its going to be tough for him continuing the tour next year. Two reasons. First, to perform at his level requires a phenomenal amount of concentration, even from him. He's so distracted now, focused even on everything else that's going on and there's no way there will be any let up in managing this literal clusterfuck for quite some time. The liasons are continuing to be detailed, he's renegotiating a prenup, damage control on his marriage, etc, etc, etc.

Secondly, the way he's been received by the golf world, that being by the announcers at tournaments and more importantly by the galleries that follow him adoringly from hole to hole and fans worldwide has been fundamentaly changed and possibly changed forever. It's always been a huge part of his psyche, something he could play to and feed off of and he has no idea right now where he stands with them. His prior appeal extended far beyond the links. For many he was a role model, especially to kids. I think he'll need some serious reassurance before he ventures back out again. He'll need to know his base, where he stands and that he has a chance to somewhat resume his authority and status again as opposed to being a constant butt of jokes, always compared and judged against what he was and did before.

He'll never again be the complete golden boy in the public's eye. Until he again knows where he stands and that he can resume his dominance and have the fan's respect, personally I just don't see him willing to venture back out right away. IMO, this could take some time.
 

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This story just will not die. It's bigger than Kobe and Vick combined. Michael Jordan did the same thing as Woods but even he didn't get this kind of attention. Then again, the technology was a lot less advanced back in Jordan's day.

I agree with you, BMW540I6speed. Golf requires a huge amount of concentration and focus. Tiger and his caddy used to go off when people used a camera during his back swing. What is he going to do when the gallery is outright heckling him?
 

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I bet he will lose some endorsement contract too.

Will he be accused of damaging professional golf?

I have trouble thinking the 'old school' greats like Nicholas, Palmer and Player can or will accept this type of behavior. They used to sing his praises and invite him into their homes, I wouldn't be surprised if that changed.
Bryant did lose some. Michael Vick lost every one of his.

Tiger's endorsements have been based on his image, only part of which is his success. He exudes mental toughness on the course as well as winning, and corporate types just love mental toughness and winning so they like to identify with him. Nike has been very careful to manage that image, including playing up those things as well as establishing his image for classiness, avoiding any possible controversy so that anyone can identify with something they see in him. That's using the lessons they learned from doing the same thing with Michael Jordan.

Nike is no doubt going through the same sort of crisis management with Tiger's brand image right now that they did when Jordan's gambling problem came out.

Arnold Palmer was a big boozer/womaninzer in his heyday. Quite different from todays media/internet feeding frenzy.
 

Fern

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IMO its going to be tough for him continuing the tour next year. Two reasons....
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Yep, agree.

I'm really curious how the crowds will greet him when he does come back.

When will he get back on tour? all bets are off, IMO.

I heard last night that Elin bought a $2M mansion on an island in Sweden. If she moves out with the kids his concentration may suffer significantly for quite a while. Would get even worse if there's a court battle over custody.

I didn't know Arnie was a "player".

(D@mn, that stuff about the VIP services above is pretty wild.)

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wife wants him back??? wow...

While more details surface about Tiger Woods's reported dalliances, the golf great's Swedish-born wife, Elin Nordegren, has yet to speak about the scandal or give any hint of her distress – beyond a frantic 911 call after her mother collapsed at Woods's Florida home Tuesday.

But several sources close to the couple tell PEOPLE Nordegren, 29, was genuinely shocked by her husband's reported infidelities, and is now in deep discussions with him to see if their marriage can be saved. “She loves him and she is totally devastated over learning of his philandering,” one source close to Nordegren says. “She honestly did not know he was cheating on her.”

The same source says Nordegren questioned Woods about rumors that he was having affairs, but believed his denials. "It is sort of sad that all of the golfers knew about Tiger’s cheating throughout his marriage while poor Elin believed his lies when he told her he was not seeing any other women when on the road for days at a time,” the source says. "Now that it has hit her over the head, she is going to make the best decision for her and the kids.”
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A smart, athletic student who passed up the chance to study child psychology in Sweden to become a nanny in the U.S., Nordegren tried hard not to lose herself in her husband's fame. But everything changed after Woods’s Nov. 27 car crash. Since then, says a source inside Woods’s camp, the couple have discussed the full breadth of Woods's infidelities. "She knows everything," says the source.
 

IronWing

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You know how some men claim to look at Playboy "only for the articles". Well I only come into this thread for the pics. So we need more pics.
 

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The media needs to get over this guy already... I cannot find any non-Tiger related news about any of my investments because they make use of him for advertising. Dear goodness, there must be at least 50+ articles about this guy in news relating to said companies.
 

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wife wants him back??? wow...
Their marriage is a sham, it's best for the two of them to split up. If he actually loved her he wouldn't have done what he did. At least she can escape the debacle with her dignity and a few Million plus 6 figure monthly child support payments (and maybe even that fantastic Yacht)
 

Fern

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Their marriage is a sham, it's best for the two of them to split up. If he actually loved her he wouldn't have done what he did. At least she can escape the debacle with her dignity and a few Million plus 6 figure monthly child support payments (and maybe even that fantastic Yacht)
Yeah.

And since last night I've heard from multiple sources that divorce is underway; she's made up her mind. They say she's taking the kids back to Sweden with her soon etc.

Fern
 

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