How come US can make nukes but other nations can't?

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Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Clair de Lune
Topic: How come US can make nukes but other nations can't?

Because as soon as a nation goes into revolution or any other sort of instability, the possibility of those nuclear weapons getting into the wrong hands and detonating increases dramatically. The strongest nations are seen as both stable and self preserving. A nation like North Korea where its people starve to death in droves is about as great a place for nukes as Darfur.

Our policy is inherent of our fear of our own creation. The genie may be out of the bottle, but the point of that matter is that if we cannot control nuclear development, then we also cannot control the weapons derived from that development. Nuclear weapons that we cannot control are ones that can be used against us.

Why do we oppose nuclear proliferation? Same reason you might care if you were standing in front of dynamite with the fuse lit. A powder keg in which billions could die is not good for anyone.
 

JKing106

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Because a fair fight is a stupid fight. Would you bring a knife to a gunfight? We have nukes because Baby Jeebus miracled the the schematics into Oppenheimer's head. Didn't they teach you guys anything in Sunday school?
 

SP33Demon

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Until we develop technology to counteract a nuke (50 years?), then why would we want to take a risk of it being used against us? Case in point, suitcase nukes made by the Soviets that can be bought on the black market. Pretty much any country with a large bankroll can get a small version of "teh bomb" on the black market if they want it badly enough. I'm not naive enough to think that most 1st/2nd world countries WILL have nukes in the next 20 years and eventually some mangled chromosome will express the crazy gene and push the button. All in all, it's a simple percentages game: the more that have it, more likely a crazy will detonate one in the name of their religion (even if it's just to watch people die).

In response to the complaints that we have not disarmed: no, we have not and never will. We will always have a minimum number in the event of an emergency, NPT never said we will completely disarm, only reduce. However, if technology gets to the point where we can assemble one in a very short time then maybe we will completely disarm? Anything's possible but with current technology it's not going to happen.
 

Elias824

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Its not just the US that dosent want other nations to get nukes. Do you think the EU or Israel wants Iran to have a nuke?
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Clair de Lune
Originally posted by: loki8481
would SK really want the US to leave? I thought we had the same relationship with South Korea that we had with Japan, wherein we provide for their national security and they get to spend money on stuff like tentacle porn instead of having to build up and maintain a large military to keep North Korea at bay.

Japan lost WWII and it's in their pact to not build shit as the loser of the war.

Not SK. In South Korean's point of view, US won't leave them alone and let them be whatever they want to be. Why can't South Korea build nukes to defend itself against NK? SK's reason is the very same as US'.

It's a power play which leaves a many sour taste in SK' mouth... and resulted in this awkward love/hate relationship with US.

interesting. i never knew that SK's feel that way toward the US.
 
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There are many reasons why fewer countries armed with nukes are a good thing (both for the US and the world at large).

First, limiting control of something help prevents it's use. Do I entirely agree with this? No, but at the same time I'd rather not have countries nuking one another in any war they get into (or even have that option for a commander to go "fuck it" as a last ditch effort).

Second, limiting control also prevents accidental use. There have been many times when the US and Russia have almost accidently launched. Be it from faulty information, computer errors, or something else. Keep the countries that have this option small, and it's less chance for accidental launches.

Third, MAD. Take a country like NK launching against SK for example (assuming both had nukes along with Japan). NK launches against SK, and you have SK going "OH FUCK" and launching their nukes against NK. Japan detects launches, and they might launch just in case it's against them. China gets involved, and within 30 minutes you have a runaway MAD case going.

Fourth, look at what happens when a nuclear country falls. When Russia fell, they had a lot of nuclear weapons/material that could be sold on the black market (if any were, who knows but that possibility was there). If you allow nations like NK, Iraq, or any other "unstable" nation to have them, you increase the chances that they fall into "the wrong hands."

Fifth, the only "good" that can come out of more countries being nuclear armed is that more countries are able to have that deterrant. Unfortunately, if Saddam had nuclear weapons I have little doubt that he (or commanding officers) wouldn't have launched when the US invaded during the Iraq war. I don't want that to happen.

Sixth, you say control of it is bad and we shouldn't prevent countries from developing nuclear capabilities (along the lines of "if everybody has them"). Well take gun control for example. I believe that giving everybody guns is the right choice, because it allows them to protect themself. Unfortunately, there are still crazy people out there who don't think "oh hey he has a gun so I won't do something" and do it anyways. This is especially true when you get fanatical beliefs/ideologies. Do you have any question that men like Hitler wouldn't have used nuclear weapons if they had them available? I don't.

Seventh, the nuclear genie has been let out. We can't put it back in, but we can help limit/slow the expansion of it. Nuclear weapons have no "counter", and are the deadliest weapons we have ever created (except maybe some biological stuff maybe). Previously, all weapons that were developed (with exceptions of biological/chemical, but those are very easy to come by comparatively) had a counter to them, or couldn't be the "end all" to a war. Nuclear can, so I wouldn't want lots of offensively armed countries all going "don't fuck with me or else."

Eighth, what benefit does allowing any country to go nuclear provide? More security? Nope, especially when countries like NK have them that aren't "stable". It actually helps to destabilize a region when a country goes nuclear. All the non-nuclear nearby countries go "oh shit, what should we do?" and it can risk war. I think we can agree wars are not good for the world.

Ninth, the proliferation treaty many countries signed. SK being one of them. Now you want it? Make up your mind.

Tenth, the resources required to get into the nuclear club is quite high. Once there the cost of ownership isn't low. So why spend lots of money, to research, develop, build, and then maintain a purely offensive weapon that it just takes one mistake to wipe a country off the map (by launching, accidently or not, a nuke).

Eleventh, it's time for lunch.