Virtually every single pro-choice Democratic candidate is exactly what you describe. They have signed onto Clinton's idea of abortion being 'safe, legal, and rare'.
Virtually every single pro-choice Democratic candidate is exactly what you describe. They have signed onto Clinton's idea of abortion being 'safe, legal, and rare'.
No rational human favors abortion *in general*.
However, pro-choicers think it is best left for the individual to decide based on her personal circumstances.
The pro-life plank would do better to listen to your advise. Instead of aggressively, obnoxiously, and sometimes violently trying to enforce their moral views using the government, they should work from the bottom up; namely, provide a support structure as an alternative for abortion, through programs and education.
Unfortunately, they've decided to let themselves be manipulated by power hungry politicians, who do jack shit for their 'cause' once elected. The pro-choice plank has been playing defence for nearly 40 years now. Even if Roe vs. Wade gets overturned, it's only going to be a matter of time before all the confusion about 'Abortion states' and 'Banned states', as well as the movement of abortion underground, will force legalization throughout.
In a way, I hope R vs W is overturned because that might end this topic once for all.
However, pro-choicers think it is best left for the individual to decide based on her personal circumstances.
The pro-life plank would do better to listen to your advise. Instead of aggressively, obnoxiously, and sometimes violently trying to enforce their moral views using the government, they should work from the bottom up; namely, provide a support structure as an alternative for abortion, through programs and education.
Unfortunately, they've decided to let themselves be manipulated by power hungry politicians, who do jack shit for their 'cause' once elected. The pro-choice plank has been playing defence for nearly 40 years now. Even if Roe vs. Wade gets overturned, it's only going to be a matter of time before all the confusion about 'Abortion states' and 'Banned states', as well as the movement of abortion underground, will force legalization throughout.
In a way, I hope R vs W is overturned because that might end this topic once for all.
Prolife does not mean you want to ban abortion... I am prolife. I hate abortion. I wouldn't even go near the subject ( because there are much more worthy things that need attention) as president. There is no political advantage nor a real chance at changing anything. So in that sense, I guess I would be politically neutral to abortion as a legislative issue
Throckmorton
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Thump553
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I assume you are referring to Griswold v. Connecticut, a case overturning a CT law that forbade contraception advice (in the 1960s, no less). That case alluded to the right to privacy, but was not decided on those grounds. Roe v. Wade's legal underpinnings are firmly based upon the right to privacy. There is no way to overturn Roe v. Wade without abrogating the right to privacy. In these days of so-called Homeland Security, and the current Bush administration's practices and abuses, that would be a very bad idea to any freedom loving Americans.
What about the men who wouldn't mind being fathers but because of the way society is never have any influence in the matter?
WhipperSnapper
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Are you certain of that? I, and presumably many other atheists and agnostics, favor abortion in many situations, especially in cases of unplanned and/or unwanted pregnancy.
WhipperSnapper
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Unfortunately for them, it's wrong to enslave women and force them to have children for you. They're free to adopt or to become fathers to infants that other men didn't want, i suppose.
These discussions never work, because eventually everyone who is pro-choice ends up being labeled as "completely immoral" by others who are so full of self-righteousness that they cannot accept any other viewpoint but their own.
It's always entertaining that many of these same individuals refuse to support measures that would lower the amount of abortions caused, such as more complete sex education or better health-care and daycare services for single moms. They believe in the sanctity of life, right until the moment a child is born, then that mother/child is on their own. It's ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned, the decision to get an abortion is best decided by the individuals involved. We should all just keep our damn noses out of their lives.
It's always entertaining that many of these same individuals refuse to support measures that would lower the amount of abortions caused, such as more complete sex education or better health-care and daycare services for single moms. They believe in the sanctity of life, right until the moment a child is born, then that mother/child is on their own. It's ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned, the decision to get an abortion is best decided by the individuals involved. We should all just keep our damn noses out of their lives.
WhipperSnapper
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No. Such men need to grow a pair and abandon their Christian Taliban mentalities.
I suspect that in reality, the number of men who end up being fathers who don't want to be fathers and who would welcome "paper abortions for men" more than dwarfs the number of men who want to be fathers but then suffer after the would-be mother aborts. That argument is just a non-starter.
hmmm, funny how that works.
And why must EVERYTHING that isn't 100% pro-choice be tied to religion? What about the guy who doesn't even consider himself religious, but still thinks that life begins at conception, and thinks it sucks that they have no say in a woman's choice to abort (not even the legal right to be allowed to give an opinion, let alone influence the decision), but must pay child support for a woman who decides to complete a pregnancy? How about this for a quick read.
What about those guys that are pro-choice, but THEIR choice is pro-life. What happens then?
(and yes, you may say "he should have thought about that before", or "tough for him", but many women change their "choice" overnight).
Atreus21
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The simple answer is that pro-choice isn't really pro-choice, just like pro-life isn't really pro-life. They're in favor of some choices, just like we're in favor of saving some lives, namely the innocent. That's why the terms should be pro-abortion and anti-abortion.
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