How come nobody here talks about Presler?

[Pr0phetX]

Well you get what you pay for. I'd expect to pay anywhere from $150-$190 for a good new board. You can always get one of these $200 boards for under $100 used.
By the way what boards were you refering to that cost $200?

 

[Markfw]

Well, if you are talking about AMD boards, for $60-85 you can get a wide variety of boards that OC very well, and are very stable. I have 5 different kinds on my X2's, all stable.

Now for Intel, I only have one, and its stable at 3.43 with my 820D, but from stevty and others, it appears that to get a good OC on Intel, you need a $200 board. THATS OUR POINT.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Pr0phetX
Well you get what you pay for. I'd expect to pay anywhere from $150-$190 for a good new board. You can always get one of these $200 boards for under $100 used.
By the way what boards were you refering to that cost $200?

Asus P5WD2 premium seems to be the primary one people are actualy able to get to 4ghz + on, some other 955x and 975x chipset boards, which all all expensive. Meanwhile I paid $120 for my DFI lanparty Ultra-D, and had no trouble overclocking my X2 to 2.618ghz.

Tried 6 differant reasonably priced motherboards for my 920's, and none of them can overclock well. Asus P5LD2-VM was the best, but the only way to get it past 225mhz FSB was to overclock the PCIe bus..which made the graphics go all out of wack, so that doesnt' do any good. Then on top of it one of my cores died as well. Two other 945 based boards couldn't get past ~220mhz FSB, P5P800-SE can hit 245mhz FSB, so it will get it to 3.43ghz, Asrock dual-775pro has no voltage options, and craps out around 235mhz FSB. Gigabyte 8N-SLI craps out at 228mhz FSB with the 920, but is running 245mhz FSB with my P4 engineering sample.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: stevty2889
. So far, with 4 differant motherboards, the highest I have gotten mine is 3.7ghz, where it just barely starts to catch up to my X2 @2.618ghz.

In what exactly? You need about 4.2Ghz Presler = 2.6 Ghz X2/Yonah

Check the autoGK thread, at 3.7ghz, the presler was slightly ahead with version 1.86, and slightly behind with version 2.26 (which was slower on both of them). The Presler was slightly ahead in Pov Ray as well, but only by about 1.5 minutes, while being way behind in cinebench. I expected it to need around 4.2ghz as well, but it was a lot closer than I though at 3.7ghz. But it seems the only way to get presler to 4ghz+ you need a $200+ motherboard, so it's just not worth it, I should have just waited a little longer till the desktop boards are available for Yonah, although they won't be cheap either.

Couple benches don't tell full story as you know. That's like showing you this and saying even a non-overclocked x2@2.0Ghz kicks the crap out of 3.6Ghz pressler imagine what a 2.6Ghz X2 would do..

No for full story you need to compile a suite of tests and average them out. X2's were about 1.65x faster per clock than a pentiumD so X2@ 2600Mhz = ~4200Mhz... can't assign a multiplier to presler/X2 yet until I see some more reviews but it is'nt that much faster than the older PentiumD.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: stevty2889
. So far, with 4 differant motherboards, the highest I have gotten mine is 3.7ghz, where it just barely starts to catch up to my X2 @2.618ghz.

In what exactly? You need about 4.2Ghz Presler = 2.6 Ghz X2/Yonah

Check the autoGK thread, at 3.7ghz, the presler was slightly ahead with version 1.86, and slightly behind with version 2.26 (which was slower on both of them). The Presler was slightly ahead in Pov Ray as well, but only by about 1.5 minutes, while being way behind in cinebench. I expected it to need around 4.2ghz as well, but it was a lot closer than I though at 3.7ghz. But it seems the only way to get presler to 4ghz+ you need a $200+ motherboard, so it's just not worth it, I should have just waited a little longer till the desktop boards are available for Yonah, although they won't be cheap either.

Couple benches don't tell full story as you know. That's like showing you this and saying even a non-overclocked x2@2.0Ghz kicks the crap out of 3.6Ghz pressler imagine what a 2.6Ghz X2 would do..

No for full story you need to compile a suite of tests and average them out. X2's were about 1.65x faster per clock than a pentiumD so X2@ 2600Mhz = ~4200Mhz... can't assign a multiplier to presler/X2 yet until I see some more reviews but it is'nt that much faster than the older PentiumD.

I would have..but those were the only 3 tests I got to run before the second core died..

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Pr0phetX

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Presler runs a lot cooler than smithfield, but so far there has been no luck overclocking to 4ghz on anything other than the $200 P5WD2..4ghz is where it will start to surpass a 3800+ X2 oc'd to 2.6ghz..IF somebody can get it to OC to 4ghz on an inexpensive motherboard, then it will be the best bang for the buck. So far, with 4 differant motherboards, the highest I have gotten mine is 3.7ghz, where it just barely starts to catch up to my X2 @2.618ghz.

Why go cheap on a mobo anyways? makes no sense to me.

Because you don't need to spend $200 on a motherboard to ensure that it isn't "cheap". Was the Abit NF7-S v2 not a great motherboard? Was the DFI NF3 Lanparty 250GB not a good overclocking motherboard? Is the DFI NF4 Ulra-D not good enough either?

None of those were $200. In fact, they were/are about $85, $100, and $120 respectively. And, for their time, they included all the latest features. Heck, I'm even starting to use Biostar's Tforce 6100 s939 mATX board for builds. For $70, that board is stable and fast. Plus, the overclocking is great, and the features included are top notch.

Why spend $200 on a mobo anyways? makes no sense to me.

Well you get what you pay for. I'd expect to pay anywhere from $150-$190 for a good new board. You can always get one of these $200 boards for under $100 used.

I know what I paid for, and it wasn't hype. Plus, you're not going to get a $200 motherboard for under $100 used, unless the board is 2-3 years old.

 

[openwheelformula1]

you don't always "get what you pay for" in motherboards. Like the previous post mentioned, look at NF7-S, DFI NF4 Ultra-D, P4P800 SE. All are made with some of the highest quality components for highest stable overclocking ability.

 

[SickBeast]

Does intel have *anything* on their roadmaps with an integrated memory controller?

This is the A64's "killer app" IMO and intel should be doing this. It can't be all that complicated. Maybe they are concerned that it will kill off a ton of chips that go along with their motherboard chipsets. They tend to be very greedy when it comes to chipset sales. I remember all the different platforms for the P3 architecture. I still run my system on a Socket A motherboard and I've honestly lost count of how many platform/socket changes intel has made. My guess is that they have created at least 15 chipsets/platforms since Socket A came out. It's pathetic.

 

[Pr0phetX]

if all the great overclocks were on that expensive mobo, why did you think your were gonna pull the same results with something less than half its price? Im sure nobody told you guys "hey these preslers overclock like crazy on inexpensive boards". It is true about the preslers overclocks. I've only seen those crazy overclocks on the 955, and 975 chipsets. Everywhere you look its either one of those chipsets. Its not a bad chip, its just an expensive and new chipset. Good thing about amd is that they hardly ever switch to new chipsets. Ahhh whatever though....just another way intel will get more money out of us.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: Pr0phetX

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Presler runs a lot cooler than smithfield, but so far there has been no luck overclocking to 4ghz on anything other than the $200 P5WD2..4ghz is where it will start to surpass a 3800+ X2 oc'd to 2.6ghz..IF somebody can get it to OC to 4ghz on an inexpensive motherboard, then it will be the best bang for the buck. So far, with 4 differant motherboards, the highest I have gotten mine is 3.7ghz, where it just barely starts to catch up to my X2 @2.618ghz.

Why go cheap on a mobo anyways? makes no sense to me.

Because that would be the only reason to get a 920, to go CHEAP, you can't do that with $200 USD mobo , there is no bang for the buck anything!. Besides there is only $37USD of difference btw 920 and X2 3800+ a very small difference considering that X2 is faster and cooler.

 

[COCOTHECOCONUTJUICE]

Thank you for ALL the explanations. Now I understand better...

Just because of higher clock doesn't mean !@#$!! Still, it's mind boggling how a much smaller die, 1Ghz+ higher, Double the Cache can
be inferior. It does not compute!

 

[robertk2012]

Originally posted by: Pr0phetX
Well you get what you pay for. I'd expect to pay anywhere from $150-$190 for a good new board. You can always get one of these $200 boards for under $100 used.
By the way what boards were you refering to that cost $200?

Or you can get the same board I got new for around $80.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: robertk2012

Originally posted by: Pr0phetX
Well you get what you pay for. I'd expect to pay anywhere from $150-$190 for a good new board. You can always get one of these $200 boards for under $100 used.
By the way what boards were you refering to that cost $200?

Or you can get the same board I got new for around $80.

I think we have made the point that a $80 AMD mobo OC's great, but you need a $200 Intel mobo for it to OC great.

 

[robertk2012]

Just making sure.

 

[Zebo]

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

 

[Gary Key]

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

We did preview the series here - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2578

I do have a board under $100 running our new 950D at 4.8GHz in testing right now.

 

[Technonut]

Originally posted by: Gary Key

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

We did preview the series here - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2578

I do have a board under $100 running our new 950D at 4.8GHz in testing right now.

And that mobo is??...........

 

[openwheelformula1]

There is a very good balance between Intel and AMD in Anandtech's cpu/chipset section. Asking specifically for regular Preslers when the Extreme Edition is already reviewed is ridiculous, espcially since Presler is similar to Smithfield which was covered extensively. You can always ask Intel to send some for review. I do see extra coverage for Yonah which is where we should be focusing on. Presler is simply inefficient compared to its Yonah and X2 counter part. Yawn.

 

[Gary Key]

Originally posted by: Technonut

Originally posted by: Gary Key

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

We did preview the series here - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2578

I do have a board under $100 running our new 950D at 4.8GHz in testing right now.

And that mobo is??...........

Will have to wait about another week or so. :wine:

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
There is a very good balance between Intel and AMD in Anandtech's cpu/chipset section. Asking specifically for regular Preslers when the Extreme Edition is already reviewed is ridiculous, espcially since Presler is similar to Smithfield which was covered extensively. You can always ask Intel to send some for review. I do see extra coverage for Yonah which is where we should be focusing on. Presler is simply inefficient compared to its Yonah and X2 counter part. Yawn.

Anandtech is the second most read review site in the world, after toms. IMO they owe it readers to thourougly review every chip that comes down the pipe from these two manufacturers, that includes 920 all the way up to 955 Presler. Hell if small outfits like GamePC and BeHardware. can do it surley ANANDTECH can.

Incidently this was a major release and intels main desktop product these days. Go to Dell and look. Not some backwoods OEM on a hacked mobo Yonah sold only though BYO. Deserves much more attention and a review. The EE? no ones buying that.

 

[Technonut]

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Originally posted by: Technonut

Originally posted by: Gary Key

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

We did preview the series here - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2578

I do have a board under $100 running our new 950D at 4.8GHz in testing right now.

And that mobo is??...........

Will have to wait about another week or so. :wine:

Well, if this "mystery mobo" will take a 920 up to 4GHz+ for under $100.00, it will quickly deflate the "have to buy a $200.00 mobo to OC the 920" arguments going around here....

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: Gary Key

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

We did preview the series here - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2578

I do have a board under $100 running our new 950D at 4.8GHz in testing right now.

interesting make sure you do proper TDW testing and some idle/load temps

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Technonut

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Originally posted by: Technonut

Originally posted by: Gary Key

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

We did preview the series here - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2578

I do have a board under $100 running our new 950D at 4.8GHz in testing right now.

And that mobo is??...........

Will have to wait about another week or so. :wine:

Well, if this "mystery mobo" will take a 920 up to 4GHz+ for under $100.00, it will quickly deflate the "have to buy a $200.00 mobo to OC the 920" arguments going around here....

I would be more than happy if Intel users had a solid overclocking option in the sub $100 range. Also, 4.8ghz on a Presler is awesome.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: AkumaX

Originally posted by: Gary Key

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

We did preview the series here - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2578

I do have a board under $100 running our new 950D at 4.8GHz in testing right now.

interesting make sure you do proper TDW testing and some idle/load temps

I don't know if it's that interesting..Don't let high numbers fool you -they are very ineffcient ones.. every 100Mhz you bump a X2 up 175Mhz is needed on a presler to keep up due to AMD's K8 architecture delivers quite a bit more performance per clock. So lets be generous here and say 940 = 3800+ or 3.2 Ghz Presler = 2.0 Ghz X2

Moving the 3800+ up 800Mhz to 2800Mhz you have to move the 3.2 presler to 4.6 to maintian some parity.


Same thing goes for Yonah. at 2.8Ghz Yonah would snack on any presler below 4.5Ghz.

I personally find low power 3Ghz Yonah and X2 overclocks much more interesting. The X2's more so because of inexpensive chips and inexpensive boards.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Technonut

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Originally posted by: Technonut

Originally posted by: Gary Key

I think it's rediculous ANAND has'nt even reviewed Presler... Yes he did the $1100 EE but that's it. Cue Rodney Dangerfeild...<Can't get any respect.>

We did preview the series here - http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2578

I do have a board under $100 running our new 950D at 4.8GHz in testing right now.

And that mobo is??...........

Will have to wait about another week or so. :wine:

Well, if this "mystery mobo" will take a 920 up to 4GHz+ for under $100.00, it will quickly deflate the "have to buy a $200.00 mobo to OC the 920" arguments going around here....

I would be more than happy if Intel users had a solid overclocking option in the sub $100 range. Also, 4.8ghz on a Presler is awesome.

Sounds like phase to me.