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how come apple is the only one that can pull off a smooth touchscreen experience?

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You do know it's Apple's fault for the multi-touch debacle right??? I have no problem selecting text with touch.

Well pinch zoom is already available on Android devices. Plus, Android devices in the rest of the world have had it for ages. It's only an issue in the US. However, the multitouch keyboard is the last step that's missing and it's a huge one. It's 90% of the reason why people demand a hardware keyboard today because they think a soft keyboard sucks that bad. Without multitouch on a keyboard, you might as well be typing on a freaking resistive screen. At least that's how it felt when I went head to head with an HTC Touch Pro 2 and my Nexus One.

Given something that's small font like in your gmail, how do you copy and paste? On a Droid you use the shift key before you use your finger to select. Sometimes I copy an extra space or two. Sometimes I can copy an extra line. It's hard to select down to the exact character when your finger alone can cover up a word. You can't get the same precision in selecting text as you do on an iPhone with the magnifying glass. Of course Google could simply add the ability to zoom and that would make it easier too...
 
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Interesting thread,

Browsing this from my iPad, tethered to an HD2, and the experience is nearly seamless.

Apple optimizes code and has the advantage of controlling the hardware and limiting the platform.

Android will never provide such a seamless experience, primarily because Android exists to collect user data for marketing, and needs to function over multiple platforms, what are there, 30+ phones running Android now? Each one providing more user info to Google?

apple fanboys need not comment in this thread.
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Well pinch zoom is already available on Android devices. Plus, Android devices in the rest of the world have had it for ages. It's only an issue in the US. However, the multitouch keyboard is the last step that's missing and it's a huge one. It's 90% of the reason why people demand a hardware keyboard today because they think a soft keyboard sucks that bad. Without multitouch on a keyboard, you might as well be typing on a freaking resistive screen. At least that's how it felt when I went head to head with an HTC Touch Pro 2 and my Nexus One.

1. Keyboard and Multi-touch - if you hold down the shift key WHILE using your other hand to touch a letter...will you get a capital letter? Like a real keyboard (that's true multitouch)

Yes.

My lunch with the Verizon Incredible... //Q&A (link)
 

I've spent time on XDA developers working on the HTC_IME keyboard. It's not a true multitouch implementation. There's some pseudo multitouch tricks HTC uses here and there so you can type faster, but that wasn't my main reference. Perhaps the Incredible makes things easier and has upgraded the soft keyboard.

The stock Android keyboard LACKS multitouch completely. Also I believe Android registers keypresses on an key UP event (when you let go). Thus, it's very hard to implement multitouch. HTC's IME keyboard uses a key DOWN event where when you press one key it registers. Works a little better if you can tweak it and combine with a key UP event to bring some pseudo multitouch capabilities which is what HTC has done, but the bottom line is Android's soft keyboard itself still lacks multitouch. I've played with the Hero, Droid Eris, Droid, and Nexus One (the latter 2 very extensvively).

Here's the developer explaining it:
It works like this: Press one key with one finger. Press second key with second finger before releasing the first. Now release first finger then second. This is registered as one down event, some move events and finally one up event (Not true multi touch!). It works like this: Press one key with one finger. Press second key with second finger before releasing the first. Now release first finger then second. This is registered as one down event, some move events and finally one up event (Not true multi touch!).

Now this is HTC_IME, so unless you're running a Droid Eris or Hero, you don't get this unless you've been applying the HTC keyboard from XDA developers.

Your true multitouch solution is to look at Smart Keyboard Pro. I've been using HTC's IME keyboard since day 1 and while it's better than the Android keyboard, it's no iPhone keyboard yet.

BTW, you don't need to hold the shift button down to get a capital letter. Isn't it just a tap once to capitalize the next letter?

And this is something I want implemented. I'm glad of the Incredible does get true multitouch. It's something we're all waiting for, but what I'm saying is that Apple has implemented a beautiful soft keyboard and the implementation was nearly flawless. Remember when the G1 lacked a soft keyboard? And the Android stock keyboard is only marginally better than say a resistive screen without multitouch. So yeah I'd love to see an improvement, and if what you said about the Incredible is true, then great. However, similar to what the OP said, I'm still amazed at how Apple can deliver such a quality experience when it's making the first stab at a lot concepts. Android plays catchup on the other hand for a lot of these things.
 
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I always thought that the reason for the smoothness was because iPhone uses capacitive screens versus resistive screens for the other guys?
 
Most (if not all) modern smartphones use capacitive touch screens.

well the recent phones yes, but when the iPhone first debuted and maybe till the 2nd iPhone, it was really just iPhone and G1.

The rest = WinMo = resistive. HD2 was the first capacitive WinMo phone.

But smoothness has nothing to do with capacitive/resistive. I think OP means smoothness like flicking screen to screen. The scrolling on an Android device is choppy, particularly on slower devices and the Droid too. The N1 seems to do fine, but you can detect elements of choppiness here and there. The Incredible really smooths things up. Props to HTC.
 
My Droid is just amazing. Then again, it wasn't that way stock.
The OS was awesome stock, but the experience, left a little to be desired.
Enter: rooting

After a lot of initial ROMs, I am now using Cyanogen Mod, overclocked the ARM Cortex A8 (a beast of a chip when clocked properly, 550 stock was just wrong!) to 1.2ghz, and then, when you add in themes... it can look dead sexy and still scroll and swipe with style.

Yep, same here. Only running at 1Ghz though, with Smoked Glass-esque as my theme of choice. My Droid is lightening fast and smooth as butter. Add in all the benefits and strengths of Android compared to the castrated iPhone OS and its an easy contest.
 
Yep, same here. Only running at 1Ghz though, with Smoked Glass-esque as my theme of choice. My Droid is lightening fast and smooth as butter. Add in all the benefits and strengths of Android compared to the castrated iPhone OS and its an easy contest.

Wait, so you admit that you have to root and overclock your phone to make it a nice user experience, only to turn around and claim that the iPhone is "castrated"...?

lol

Oh irony, how sweet...
 
I have had the HD2 for 3 weeks now and also have a 3g iphone.
I've followed some of the tips to optimize the HD2 and it run alot smoother than the 3g.
Especially surfing the web through wifi, the experience is beyond anything the iphone can do.
This is on an outdated OS Window mobile so I can imagine what it would be like when the EVO is on Android.
2 things I don't like about the HD2.
- THe apps suck.
- The music application is very lacking and I like using my phone for music.

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Does Anandtech not allow image link to imageshack ??
 
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Wait, so you admit that you have to root and overclock your phone to make it a nice user experience, only to turn around and claim that the iPhone is "castrated"...?

lol

Oh irony, how sweet...

I have spoke to 3 Android owners directly about this. And not a single one could explain why them rooting their Android is fine and dandy but me having to JB my iPhone was the worst shit in the world. I would imagine a good number of Android owners are all for Rooting and totally shit in Jailbreaking. I can't assume the 3 I talked to were the only 3 who have zero logic. One of them actually chuckled when I told him how I JB my iPhone to put a theme on it. This was a minute after he showed me his Android theme, which I'm guessing he had to ROOT it to use.

the irony is sweet.
 
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I have spoke to 3 Android owners directly about this. And not a single one could explain why them rooting their Android is fine and dandy but me having to JB my iPhone was the worst shit in the world. I would imagine a good number of Android owners are all for Rooting and totally shit in Jailbreaking. I can't assume the 3 I talked to were the only 3 who have zero logic. One of them actually chuckled when I told him how I JB my iPhone to put a theme on it. This was a minute after he showed me his Android theme, which I'm guessing he had to ROOT it to use.

the irony is sweet.

Umm you have to jailbreak an iPhone to do basic smartphone things things like multi-task and put on the simplest themes. You can download themes for Android phones from the market for free. Just because his specific theme needed to be hacked to put it on doesn't mean all need to be. You have to jailbreak an iPhone to do anything to it so yea...........
 
Umm you have to jailbreak an iPhone to do basic smartphone things things like multi-task and put on the simplest themes. You can download themes for Android phones from the market for free. Just because his specific theme needed to be hacked to put it on doesn't mean all need to be. You have to jailbreak an iPhone to do anything to it so yea...........

Yea, whatever in the world would 'power users' do without their themes...🙄
 
Yea, whatever in the world would 'power users' do without their themes...🙄

lol what an answer

I mean hey, you guys are FINALLY getting some type of multi-tasking. It's not true multi-tasking but hey, it's better than nothing but still have to jailbreak it to do any type of customization on the phone but hey, some people like not being given the choice to customize and also like someone else telling them what type of apps are appropriate for them or the ability to carry extra batteries. Seriously, who likes choices right? Choice is overrated.
 
lol what an answer

I mean hey, you guys are FINALLY getting some type of multi-tasking. It's not true multi-tasking but hey, it's better than nothing but still have to jailbreak it to do any type of customization on the phone but hey, some people like not being given the choice to customize and also like someone else telling them what type of apps are appropriate for them or the ability to carry extra batteries. Seriously, who likes choices right? Choice is overrated.

I like a nice balance between convenience and choice. I am willing to sacrifice some of the latter to have more of the former in the case of my phone.
 
Wait, so you admit that you have to root and overclock your phone to make it a nice user experience, only to turn around and claim that the iPhone is "castrated"...?

lol

Oh irony, how sweet...

I have nothing against iPhone users who JB, mod, and hack their phones. Its great that they do, tinkering is a wonderful thing and has left to many improvements for all smart phones. The thing is, as zerocool84 states below, you have to JB an iPhone to make it useful. My Droid is still a great device on stock, I just prefer the extra capabilities afforded to me by Cyanogen Droid, Bekit/P3Droid kernels, Smoked Glass, wifi/USB tethering, and Clockwork Recovery. In addition, Verizon hasn't taken any steps to stop the community from modding the Moto Droid or Eris, and T-Mobile has actively encouraged it. Contrast this to Apple and A&T, who actively tries to stop you from modding your phone by releasing 'updates' designed to block the JB programs and disallow hacked devices. I'll hold the same malice towards AT&T's upcoming Android based phones, as they disallow non-Market apps and include several AT&T specific apps that cannot be removed.

Umm you have to jailbreak an iPhone to do basic smartphone things things like multi-task and put on the simplest themes. You can download themes for Android phones from the market for free. Just because his specific theme needed to be hacked to put it on doesn't mean all need to be. You have to jailbreak an iPhone to do anything to it so yea...........

In all fairness, Apple did finally bring the iPhone 3GS up to to spec with modern smartphones with the 4.0 update, just two years too late.
 
Meh, the continuing argument between the geeks who need to one up the other by saying to one up each other. Be glad we have options everyone
 
Pleasantly surprised by my Motorola Devour I picked up last week when it comes to the responsiveness of it. Very smooth and slick, more iphone like than the other Android phones I've played with (G1, Hero, Mytouch). Only played with Droid in a store for a few minutes so didn't get much of a feel for it.
 
I have spoke to 3 Android owners directly about this. And not a single one could explain why them rooting their Android is fine and dandy but me having to JB my iPhone was the worst shit in the world. I would imagine a good number of Android owners are all for Rooting and totally shit in Jailbreaking. I can't assume the 3 I talked to were the only 3 who have zero logic. One of them actually chuckled when I told him how I JB my iPhone to put a theme on it. This was a minute after he showed me his Android theme, which I'm guessing he had to ROOT it to use.

the irony is sweet.

I asked you about this the last thread you brought it up and you never responded. Why do you keep bringing it up? You act like this is some common sentiment among Android users, whereas I've ever heard it from anyone but you. Just because you have some moronic friends does not mean everyone else thinks that way, and it certainly is not fuel for your arguments here, try as you might.

Also, the vast majority of themes do NOT require root and are widely available on the Android Market, so bye bye to that theory too.

The irony isn't so sweet when your entire post is debunked.
 
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