How can you be a Catholic and vote Democrat?

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Medellon: I take it you believe that if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are going to hell?

sooo.. all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc... + everyone who votes for Kerry is going to hell?

I'll see you when i get there, punk.

I believe that anyone who is not a christian is going to hell. Jews, Muslims, Hindus will go to hell if they do not believe that Jesus christ saved them. If you live godly and never believe that Jesus saved you, you will go to hell, because you are just working for your salvation. I think voting for kerry if a sin, just because (i know i'll get flamed for this) you say infanticide is ok and you say homosexual marrage is ok. BTW, killing the "embryo" makes the baby feel pain. It is alive, not just a bunch of cells. The nervious system and the cardiovascular system are the first things to develope, it's alive and your killing it because the mom doesnt want it. There is no reason that it needs to be done for a medical reason, and even if you are raped, dont make the baby pay for another's sin.

The religious basis for your objection to homosexual marriage is?????

1st Corinthians 6:9: "Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Dont fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitues, homosexuals...continues on to verse 10

If you do wrong you must repent, that's why at the end of every day i ask for forgiveness from my sins. If you live in sin and dont repent, you're on your way to hell.

Intriguing, so it is the act of homosexuality which is the primary objection and sin, therefore the church could not santicfy any marriage compirsed of a homesexual couple. Correct?

So even practicing homosexuality outside of any official union is a sin that must be repented?

 

[drpootums]

practicing homosexuality is sin and must be repented of, nomatter when or where it is practiced

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: drpootums
practicing homosexuality is sin and must be repented of, nomatter when or where it is practiced

What makes it a sin, is it the act itself, or the choice of committing the act?

What is sin? Is man the only creature capable of sin?

 

[drpootums]

u a philosipher???

Well, lustfull thoughs are a sin so i guess the choice and the act are sins.

And sins are something you shouldn't do, and i'm thinking animals and watnot dont know better, so i dont think they can sin, but i dont know. Good question...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I'm not sure if all these people are going to hell but if you have heard the word of God and don't believe then surely that does not bode well.

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. 😛

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: drpootums
u a philosipher???

Well, lustfull thoughs are a sin so i guess the choice and the act are sins.

And sins are something you shouldn't do, and i'm thinking animals and watnot dont know better, so i dont think they can sin, but i dont know. Good question...

I would agree the act must be inherently sinful by God, how could practicing it be sinfull if the act itself was not the main moral objection. Practicing it would also be a sin, as man alone has the ability to choose based on moral reasoning. Animals do not have that capacity, they cannot commit acts of sin. They have been preprogrammed by the BIG MAN HIMSELF to follows all the laws of nature, no logical thought or moral values needed.

The problem I have is this:

http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

http://www.salon.com/it/featur...03/cov_15featurea.html

Could you explain why it is obviously very natural for homosexuality to occur in hundred of living things besides man, yet your religion has somehow developed this notion it is against His grand design and therefore a sinfull act in its nature, and also by it's choice?

 

[Todd33]

I'll take Hell. Your God and the people that speak on his behalf are asses. Think of all the cool people in Hell...

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: her209
So if I believe that X is wrong, should I be allowed to legislate that to others who don't share the same view?

Depends on whether or not the majority agrees with you. This is why we live in a republic. The majority selects people who best represent what they view, and these representatives legislate accordingly. Or at least that's how it worked until judges started throwing away laws and inserting their own views, such as in Roe v. Wade.

Any nutbag on the USSC can interpret the Constitution in any way he pleases with the public having no recourse. If enough nutbags are on the court at any given time, they will legislate as they see fit. This was the founding fathers' biggest concern with the system of checks and balances that they established, that the justices would become a ruling oligarchy.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I'll take Hell. Your God and the people that speak on his behalf are asses. Think of all the cool people in Hell...

I don't think youre gonna be as disappointed as SOME people 😉 but then again youre gonna be dead at that moment......

 

[Alistar7]

Cyclo, I hear your an opponent of gay marriage, maybe you can answer my question.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Cyclo, I hear your an opponent of gay marriage, maybe you can answer my question.

You've already demonstrated yourself to be a troll. I'm not going to give you any more of my time.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Cyclo, I hear your an opponent of gay marriage, maybe you can answer my question.

You've already demonstrated yourself to be a troll. I'm not going to give you any more of my time.

What is with the hostility and personal attacks? I only asked in a polite manner if you would like to join another member and myself in a discussion. I think it's rather pitiful the self proclaimed expert can't even answer a simple question.


You think I'm a troll, check my sig, maybe you should look in the mirror.....

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Cyclo, I hear your an opponent of gay marriage, maybe you can answer my question.

You've already demonstrated yourself to be a troll. I'm not going to give you any more of my time.

What is with the hostility and personal attacks? I only asked in a polite manner if you would like to join another member and myself in a discussion. I think it's rather pitiful the self proclaimed expert can't even answer a simple question.


You think I'm a troll, check my sig, maybe you should look in the mirror.....

I think it's rather pitiful that the first post I ever recall reading from you in this forum called me a 'poster-child for abortion' and now you're accusing me of personal attacks. If you want my answer on this issue, do a search for same sex marriage. I'm hardly going to get more deeply involved in this anti-Catholic circle jerk to avoid you doing your own legwork.

 

[Alistar7]

Good dogde there troll, now go suck on mommas tit some more.....

nighty night

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Good dogde there troll, now go suck on mommas tit some more.....

nighty night

I could mathematically prove you wrong and you would still say 'nice dodge' or 'hahaha you're wrong' or that I'm personally attacking you. Your complete disregard for intelligence and logic force me to question why you are even posting here. Then, I arrive at the obvious truth: you're just another troll out for blood trying to get under my skin because you can't address any issues yourself.

:disgust:

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: TranceNation


probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: drpootums
i'm not a catholic (ELS lutheran here), and the pope is not a 4th branch of god

I have seen this a few times and it needs to be clarified. In catholic theology the pope is the direct heir to the ministry of Jesus Christ. Hence the word of the pope is the word of god. This is why the pope could excommunicate whoever he wanted, appoing bishops and the like.

 

[EDoG2K]

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Medellon: I take it you believe that if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are going to hell?

sooo.. all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc... + everyone who votes for Kerry is going to hell?

I'll see you when i get there, punk.

I believe that anyone who is not a christian is going to hell. Jews, Muslims, Hindus will go to hell if they do not believe that Jesus christ saved them. If you live godly and never believe that Jesus saved you, you will go to hell, because you are just working for your salvation. I think voting for kerry if a sin, just because (i know i'll get flamed for this) you say infanticide is ok and you say homosexual marrage is ok. BTW, killing the "embryo" makes the baby feel pain. It is alive, not just a bunch of cells. The nervious system and the cardiovascular system are the first things to develope, it's alive and your killing it because the mom doesnt want it. There is no reason that it needs to be done for a medical reason, and even if you are raped, dont make the baby pay for another's sin.

The religious basis for your objection to homosexual marriage is?????

1st Corinthians 6:9: "Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Dont fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitues, homosexuals...continues on to verse 10

If you do wrong you must repent, that's why at the end of every day i ask for forgiveness from my sins. If you live in sin and dont repent, you're on your way to hell.

You know, the bible wasn't first written in English. I'm surprised that the word 'homosexual' is as old as the time when the bible was translated though. How do you know its the word of god and not just a book? Maybe in 2000 years we will be worshipping Dr. Phil.. or Dr. Seuss! (might not be such a bad idea... a religion based on Green Eggs and Ham and the Lorax would be nice!)

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: drpootums
i'm not a catholic (ELS lutheran here), and the pope is not a 4th branch of god

I have seen this a few times and it needs to be clarified. In catholic theology the pope is the direct heir to the ministry of Jesus Christ. Hence the word of the pope is the word of god. This is why the pope could excommunicate whoever he wanted, appoing bishops and the like.

Wrong.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: MonkeyK

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Medellon
I live in El Paso, Tx. which is 80% Hispanic and probably 80% Catholic though I am unsure about the second claim(it certainly is much more than 50%). Any of you who have lived a majority of your life in the Hispanic community know how religious they claim to be with the pictures of the Virgin Mary painted on walls or tattooed on backs, etc.; the shrines that they set up in their houses with candles and pictures of saints and the many religious medallions they carry.

Catholic doctrine is very strongly opposed to abortion and it is one of the greatest sins and tragedies of humanity. Of course it is a fact that most democrats are for abortion (you can spin it anyway you like, pro-choice, woman's right to choose, health of the mother, etc. but it all boils down to being pro-abortion) and most republicans against. My question is how can you claim to be so religious and pray everyday yet support and vote for a democratric candidate who supports abortion which goes against Catholic teachings? I ask my many Hispanic friends why they (the Hispanic community) as a whole overwhemingly vote democratic yet claim to be so religious and they have no answer. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

You show a basic lack of knowledge of both Catholicism and Christianity in general. A sis is a sin. In the eyes of god there is no difference between abortion and having impure thoughts. Using your logic Catholics would never be able to support any candidate because they're all sinners and support sin in some way. Luckily most Catholics aren't one issue voters and don't believe in legislating their own morality.

To a answer you question how can a Catholic vote for a pro-choice candidate, easy, we look at the totality of the candidate rather than that one position. And if we feel guilty afterwards we can just go confess.

Are you yourself a Catholic? If so I suggest you brush up on your Catholic teachings.

Not a Catholic myself, I think that what SViscusi wrote above is more of a Jewish philosophy. However it makes a lot of sense: if this is some supreme being that you worship, how can you know that any one word is more important than another? Stealing is just as bad as murder is just as bad as making idols...

The catholic church doesn't look at a sin as a sin...their are two types mortal and venial (been a while might be called something other than that).....I'm sure an abortion would be considered a mortal sin...then again- so is missing church....btw i'm a non-practicing catholic but went to catholics schools thru 8th grade....

 

[BBond]

How can you be a Catholic and vote Democrat?

Come to my polling place on November 2 and I'll show you.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

If abortion was so evil and there was really a God, I think She would have the juice to stop it Herself.....

Can't wait until this election is over, sick of the ignorance spewed by the Kerry/Bush bashers. Too bad were still going to be stuck with the religous wackos trying to impose their moral values down our throats.

Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

I disagree...if you have that attitude then you don't really believe.....or at least you have doubts which is nearly as bad according to scripture...ever hear of the "doubting Thomas" ????

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Good dogde there troll, now go suck on mommas tit some more.....

nighty night

I could mathematically prove you wrong and you would still say 'nice dodge' or 'hahaha you're wrong' or that I'm personally attacking you. Your complete disregard for intelligence and logic force me to question why you are even posting here. Then, I arrive at the obvious truth: you're just another troll out for blood trying to get under my skin because you can't address any issues yourself.

:disgust:

The typical BS Cyclodoge, cant answer a simple question, see above, so he resorts to personal attakcs on the other person's intelligence, also see above, Troll....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Cyclo, I hear your an opponent of gay marriage, maybe you can answer my question.

"I could mathematically prove you wrong and you would still say 'nice dodge' or 'hahaha you're wrong' or that I'm personally attacking you. Your complete disregard for intelligence and logic force me to question why you are even posting here. Then, I arrive at the obvious truth: you're just another troll out for blood trying to get under my skin because you can't address any issues yourself."

Nice answer, so full of facts yet lacking the hostility and personal attacks.....
Your a joke, all you do is dodge question and facts that prove you are wrong, and then blast the other person, is that ALL you can do Cyclo? Look through just about ALL of your threads, that is why most of the people here consider you a troll. Maybe I should whine like a little BIATCH and scream for you to be banned, another one of your routine childish acts.....

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I thought I would receive a few intelligent answers in this forum. It seems to be dominated by hedonistic atheists.

I'll try. What percentage of your single Catholic friends have sex? What percentage of your married Catholic friends practice birth control?