how can we rid society of unions?

[SirStev0]

Oh look at this. How topical. And it happened today.

Massey miner dies after another accident in W.Va.
http://dailymail.com/News/statenews/201005210349

don't worry the day before good old Don told congress they don't "game the system".

On Thursday, Chief Executive Don Blankenship told a U.S. Senate Committee that the company does not put profits ahead of safety

 

[Rainsford]

That is because unions have very little to do with workplace safety today. You see, the government created this little agency called OSHA that regulates workplace safety now and they carry a big ass stick. They litterally put companies out of business due to the fines they levy for unsafe workplaces. I have to send my guys to yearly training seminars just to keep up with the OSHA rules (which is very different from the actual safety training I provide).



So your argument is that the government will disband OSHA (and basically give up power, something it so OFTEN does) AND give up the revenue it generates from the very large fines it hands out? That has got to be the worst argument ever for the existence of unions.



My argument is based on the premise of a balance of power, something that we currently lack with the tactics unions are allowed to get away with. I have come across plenty of good unions that provide a great service to its members but the bad outweighs the good by far.

Yes, thank you, I had never heard of OSHA. I assumed that was handled by the tooth fairy...

Maybe you're right that OSHA will continue to have a lot of power without unions, but there aren't a whole lot of examples of the government standing up to huge lobbying groups on one side (corporations, in this case) without an equally huge lobbying group on the other side. OSHA is a pain in the ass for a lot of companies, you don't think they'll fight tooth and nail to get rid of it or limit its power in the absence of any political force on the other side? Please.

 

[SirStev0]

Yes, thank you, I had never heard of OSHA. I assumed that was handled by the tooth fairy...

Maybe you're right that OSHA will continue to have a lot of power without unions, but there aren't a whole lot of examples of the government standing up to huge lobbying groups on one side (corporations, in this case) without an equally huge lobbying group on the other side. OSHA is a pain in the ass for a lot of companies, you don't think they'll fight tooth and nail to get rid of it or limit its power in the absence of any political force on the other side? Please.

Rational arguments don't work on these guys. You have to go with just pure visceral outrage on their level in order to make your point.

 

[CitizenKain]

then they would have no employees.

or a competitor could set up a shop with good pay and safety practices and you'd see all the workers line up to work there instead.
the beauty of a free market.

There really is no arguing with someone like you. You simply lack the ability to understand anything.

If you think being a retarded robot with the sole purpose of putting on bolts and nuts gets you in the realm of the world's rich, we got a big fucking problem in this little world of yours.

That realm only belong to lazy people like yourself? I bet you think an office job is really tough and stressful. I guess it doesn't depend on how much time you spend under a desk,