How can we ever hit the "reset" button on Congress?

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sandorski

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....vote....

Yup, but I think you need a Method as well. Really want change? Then always Vote for the opposite Party you voted for last time. Or some other Method that doesn't always pick the Incumbent.

That said, it's the rest of the people in your District that will ultimately decide who Wins, so any Method likely won't matter if they just continue doing what they always do. Ultimately, the problem isn't the Politicians, it's the People.
 

spidey07

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I think a Constitutional Amendment could do it. A one time shot to remove all of them and force an immediate revote. If the people feel strongly enough to remove them all they certainly won't vote them back in. win-win.
 
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I think a Constitutional Amendment could do it. A one time shot to remove all of them and force an immediate revote. If the people feel strongly enough to remove them all they certainly won't vote them back in. win-win.

Direct democracy has failed ever single time it has been tried, it is always the majority ruling by tyranny.
 

theevilsharpie

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You could improve Congress by getting rid of the Senate and doing away with the electoral college.

Since neither of those are going to be happening anytime soon, Congress is about as good as it's going to get. I don't see any need to "reset" it.
 

Zebo

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The number of HF managers making that kind of dough is less than the number of fingers in one hand.

Also, they are treated the same as everyone else. HF managers pay income tax rates for wage income, and they pay capital gains rates for capital gains, just like the rest of us.

You'd think that wouldn't you. Like I said education is key. It's in the video but here is another link.\
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/pm120/

In addition to being unregulated, these financial institutions also reap substantial benefits from special tax provisions that, like the regulatory framework, are no longer appropriate. The professional fund managers of these hedge funds and private equity firms are allowed to treat a substantial portion of their compensation as capital gains, meaning they are most likely taxed at 15% rather than the 35% rate that applies to ordinary income such as wages and salary. Such an exemption, however, makes little sense: in economic terms, the fund managers (also known as investment advisors) perform a professional service, much like lawyers or doctors, and receive remuneration for their labor.
 

spidey07

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Direct democracy has failed ever single time it has been tried, it is always the majority ruling by tyranny.

The OP asked how we could hit the reset button on Congress. I described exactly how we could do it, throw everyone out and replace. In order for the amendment to pass the popular vote of the states would be needed meaning they would put the same pieces of shit back in. win-win.

It's a revolution of sorts, but a revolution we are guaranteed to be allowed to do lawfully and without any bloodshed.
 
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Craig234

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I think a Constitutional Amendment could do it. A one time shot to remove all of them and force an immediate revote. If the people feel strongly enough to remove them all they certainly won't vote them back in. win-win.

Switching the players without changing the cause of the problem gets you even worse players. You don't get that. You lose the good players as well, probably replaced by worse.
 

spidey07

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Switching the players without changing the cause of the problem gets you even worse players. You don't get that. You lose the good players as well, probably replaced by worse.

Fine. Make federal elections of both houses occur every single year. 1 year terms.
 

Nemesis 1

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To late You guys made your choice. Now live with it . Its not like you weren't warned because you in fact were.
 

UberNeuman

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To late You guys made your choice. Now live with it . Its not like you weren't warned because you in fact were.

Pretty much - and it's always the same poor losers that cry "We need to dump them all," or "They're all the same!!!"

\boo-hoo, be upset because your team didn't win...
\\your team farked this country over 6 years and fixing it won't be overnight...
 

Craig234

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Fine. Make federal elections of both houses occur every single year. 1 year terms.

That's a far less bad idea. But why not make it quarterly, like public coprorations, since that has worked so well for long-term policy.
 

fskimospy

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That's a far less bad idea. But why not make it quarterly, like public coprorations, since that has worked so well for long-term policy.

One year elections are still an atrocious idea. Not only would the country be in a state of permanent election that nobody wants and that would quickly erode all voter enthusiasm, but it would remove the entire purpose of term length to begin with.

Spidey appears not to realize that the term length for elected officials is due to more than us not wanting to change the header on the stationary all the time.
 

spidey07

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One year elections are still an atrocious idea. Not only would the country be in a state of permanent election that nobody wants and that would quickly erode all voter enthusiasm, but it would remove the entire purpose of term length to begin with.

Spidey appears not to realize that the term length for elected officials is due to more than us not wanting to change the header on the stationary all the time.

I get yearly performance reviews and if I'm doing a shitty job, I'm out. I'm thinking outside the box on how we can hit the reset button on Congress. I've posed a way to do it and solutions going forward.
 

Zedtom

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Pushing the reset button isn't gonna work. The hardware is infected with a pernicious virus that can't be eliminated even if we switch out the hard drive. The operating system needs to be reinstalled but it should first be updated to the needs of the twenty-first century.

I'm not talking about a revolution- I'm suggesting a constitutional convention.
 

spidey07

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Pushing the reset button isn't gonna work. The hardware is infected with a pernicious virus that can't be eliminated even if we switch out the hard drive. The operating system needs to be reinstalled but it should first be updated to the needs of the twenty-first century.

I'm not talking about a revolution- I'm suggesting a constitutional convention.

Now you're thinking. This is how we amend it and change it. It is OUR document, OUR country.
 

Robor

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The modern day faux outrage from the right amazes me. All I hear is garbage about ACORN and a health care bill that's so watered down it's worthless. It's like you people weren't alive 8 years ago when our country invaded Iraq FOR NO FUCKING REASON. Trillions spent, countless soldiers and civilians killed, more maimed for life. Where were you people in 2004? You know, when you re-elected the dumbass who got us into that? If that wasn't bad enough he went asleep at the wheel while the economy tumbled. Whatever. :rolleyes:

/feel free to resume Obama/Democrat bashing. :rolleyes:
 

spidey07

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The modern day faux outrage from the right amazes me. All I hear is garbage about ACORN and a health care bill that's so watered down it's worthless. It's like you people weren't alive 8 years ago when our country invaded Iraq FOR NO FUCKING REASON. Trillions spent, countless soldiers and civilians killed, more maimed for life. Where were you people in 2004? You know, when you re-elected the dumbass who got us into that? If that wasn't bad enough he went asleep at the wheel while the economy tumbled. Whatever. :rolleyes:

/feel free to resume Obama/Democrat bashing. :rolleyes:

The use of force was approved by most all members of congress with a resounding yes based on 23 some odd reasons. You forget that.

That dumbass who got us into that is called congress. Typical revisionist history, you can't even rember 6 years ago.
 

Robor

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The use of force was approved by most all members of congress with a resounding yes based on 23 some odd reasons. You forget that.

That dumbass who got us into that is called congress. Typical revisionist history, you can't even rember 6 years ago.

Based on hand-picked bullshit evidence presented by GWB&Co and at a time where anyone who didn't want blood for 9/11 was a traitor (you're either with us or you're against us). Sorry. Fail.
 

MotF Bane

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The modern day faux outrage from the right amazes me. All I hear is garbage about ACORN and a health care bill that's so watered down it's worthless. It's like you people weren't alive 8 years ago when our country invaded Iraq FOR NO FUCKING REASON. Trillions spent, countless soldiers and civilians killed, more maimed for life. Where were you people in 2004? You know, when you re-elected the dumbass who got us into that? If that wasn't bad enough he went asleep at the wheel while the economy tumbled. Whatever. :rolleyes:

/feel free to resume Obama/Democrat bashing. :rolleyes:

I couldn't vote in any prior election to this one. So, can I get a pass? ():)
 
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The OP asked how we could hit the reset button on Congress. I described exactly how we could do it, throw everyone out and replace. In order for the amendment to pass the popular vote of the states would be needed meaning they would put the same pieces of shit back in. win-win.

It's a revolution of sorts, but a revolution we are guaranteed to be allowed to do lawfully and without any bloodshed.

Aye, i misread your reply in context to the OP, my apologies for that.

But a revolution without bloodshed? That's no fun and doesn't do what other revolutions have done, make examples of what happens if you are stupid enough not to get away with your bullsheit.

May i suggest a firing squad, that would serve as an example and those willing to replace them would be sure that they had the right ideas, pretty bloody sure.

That is how revolutions work and WHY they work. (in sane communities, in countries such as Angola or Pakistan, there is no risk for the ones taking over)