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maintain its dominance in games. What kind of innovations or technology should they implement to keep ahead of the consoles?
How can the PC...
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Consoles are cheaper, but they will never equal the performance of a new computer. Anyonw who wants THE BEST gaming experience will choose a PC over a console. Also, computers have many uses other than gaming, unlike a console. This means that casual/new gamers may already have a PC, but they're unlikely to have a console.
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Currently the gaming consoles lack flexibilities such as game patches, expansions packs, Massive multiplaying, loading times etc but this situation is chaning; with consoles being able to connect to the internet.. The computer games are still chaper and easier to develop than console ones that give them a price advantage.
However since games are made so that as large audience as possible to be able to run the games, usually they can't be made with top-graphics across the line. However I do think computer technology need to improve and inovate (E.g., PPU, dual core CPU) so that the quality of game (both visual and gameplay) have to improve.
Keyboard and mouse are good for some games, gamepad are good for others. I own console and PC games and I don't have a preference over one another; since they are quite different in nature. I don't like playing FPS on console because it feels better on PC; While I don't like playing racing games and Flight simulating games on PC for the same reason. The software factor is still, I think, more important than the hardware factor.
However since games are made so that as large audience as possible to be able to run the games, usually they can't be made with top-graphics across the line. However I do think computer technology need to improve and inovate (E.g., PPU, dual core CPU) so that the quality of game (both visual and gameplay) have to improve.
Keyboard and mouse are good for some games, gamepad are good for others. I own console and PC games and I don't have a preference over one another; since they are quite different in nature. I don't like playing FPS on console because it feels better on PC; While I don't like playing racing games and Flight simulating games on PC for the same reason. The software factor is still, I think, more important than the hardware factor.
console games are alot cheaper to develope since coders dont have to account for endless hardware options and can easily predict bugs if they know that everyone will have the same hardware
Because consoles are only released every 5+ years. 5 years in technology is a LONG time. When the original Xbox was released, the average PC at the time was 300mhz... and people were saying the same thing, why get a PC when consoles are far superior. This year, if the consoles are released, they will be superior to PCs... but for how long? In 3 years, what will PCs look like? In 5 years?
Not true. It might be better in future. Developing console games requiring training staffs to adapt the infrastruture of that console. It's cheaper to hire staff to write computer programs than console ones. It's pretty bad with PS2, which has to be coded in assembly code. The developement time is quite long. XBox is better.
Console games here sell 20% more than PC games; PS2, GameCube, Xbox;-wise; Despite the fact that consoles are more readily available than gaming PC in UK.
Debugging in PC games are easy and cheap; Beta testing to public is common.
PC's better for me because I can do multiple things at once. Nobody who plays *a* console can say that. 
I can play WoW, EQ2, listen to music and browse the internet all at the same time.
I can play WoW, EQ2, listen to music and browse the internet all at the same time.
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Why not? I got one of my friends to program a follow bot which follows and attacks according to the other members of the group. It also heals too.
As long as there's so much FUD concerning PCs (you need to upgrade every 6-12 months, gaming PCs cost $3k, etc) consoles will retain their popularity. As the general public is only getting more & more stupid, I don't have much hope If the next generation of consoles spells the end of PC gaming, I'll no longer be a gamer. Fsck Sony and Microshaft.
If the next generation of consoles spells the end of PC gaming, I'll no longer be a gamer. Fsck Sony and Microshaft.Originally posted by: Gurck
As long as there's so much FUD concerning PCs (you need to upgrade every 6-12 months, gaming PCs cost $3k, etc) consoles will retain their popularity. As the general public is only getting more & more stupid, I don't have much hope
consoles = kids to babies
computers= adults to teenager
Nuff.
I don't like that in PC games you have to spend ~$200 every year or so to get the newer games looking their best and playing them at a nice resolution.
With consoles I just spend ~$300 once then buy games for $20-$50. Also games seem to look better as the years go by.
With consoles I just spend ~$300 once then buy games for $20-$50. Also games seem to look better as the years go by.
Lol... seriously, did you even read before responding? Illiterate and with a "dragonballz" variant user name, I'm thinking RobCur hit the nail on the head...
HTPC (HOME THEATER PC)'s will eventually replace console gaming systems, stereo systems, cable boxes, and DVD players. They still have a bit to go, but as the platform matures you'll see real growth in that sector of the PC market.
I'm currently building my first HTPC with the case and Hard Drive on the way as I type. They offer more flexibilty, functionality, power, and upgradability than a console system.
To answer your question: A single high end graphics card in the hands of a capable CPU can run laps around todays Xbox or PS2.
http://images.techgather.com/mmibc/Images/ZMCA-HT100S_LG.GIF
I'm currently building my first HTPC with the case and Hard Drive on the way as I type. They offer more flexibilty, functionality, power, and upgradability than a console system.
To answer your question: A single high end graphics card in the hands of a capable CPU can run laps around todays Xbox or PS2.
http://images.techgather.com/mmibc/Images/ZMCA-HT100S_LG.GIF
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consoles are for kids...i havent heard that stupid a statement in a while...i play pc almost exclusivly and dont own a console but thats just a dumb statement.
you may have to upgrade your computer every year, but for the people that love the hobby of it and its their passion really, its something to enjoy doing. not an "oh god dammit i need to upgrade to play THIS game now :| ". you would WANT to upgrade.
Yes, we all want to spend more money to get a more *powerful* computer. Actually, most people who are chronic upgrades couldn't give a sh*t about the games. THey buy them to show off their big E-dicks. I know for a fact that hard core gamers on a computer doesn't care about the hardware, as long as it's playing it well, and would upgrade only when their next game really needs/benefits from it.
Theres alot of misinformation going on in this thread. Consoless aren't SLOW by any means. Thye have excellent graphics, and since you play them on a TV monitor, they are usually 640x480 interlaced, and that allows them to do behind in technology, and not any real difference. They're for different audiences, for sure. One you sit on your couch and you can play with lots of other people, at a decent distance away from the TV. The other, quite the opposite.
Infact, the main reason PCs NEED to be so powerful is because you have a high resolution monitor and you sit inches away from it. The fact is, graphics on either don't differ by much. Halo 2 and Ninja Gaiden, when viewed in their respective environment doesn't lose a beat to the PC.
And ofcourse, there are some reasons why a PC game would be a PC game (instead of a console). That has to do with the Age/Audience, orientation of the PC, Keyboard/Mouse, contracts etc. You would not want to play an FPS or an MMORPG on a console, simply becuase you don't have a Keyboard and mouse, and they are very detailed games that you have to get up close to see (which ruins the TV display). Well thats not true for FPSes, some play great with an an additional KB/M on the console... but it pretty does require on to be competetive on.
A PC would never replace a console, they are not indirect competition with each other and are in reality, seperate markets. And wtf is an HTPC anyway? its just a PC with a Tuner card that you can watch TV and (mostly record TV) on. How is that going to replace consoles? Unless you are smoking crack, probably thinking logically before posting is a good idea.
Theres alot of misinformation going on in this thread. Consoless aren't SLOW by any means. Thye have excellent graphics, and since you play them on a TV monitor, they are usually 640x480 interlaced, and that allows them to do behind in technology, and not any real difference. They're for different audiences, for sure. One you sit on your couch and you can play with lots of other people, at a decent distance away from the TV. The other, quite the opposite.
Infact, the main reason PCs NEED to be so powerful is because you have a high resolution monitor and you sit inches away from it. The fact is, graphics on either don't differ by much. Halo 2 and Ninja Gaiden, when viewed in their respective environment doesn't lose a beat to the PC.
And ofcourse, there are some reasons why a PC game would be a PC game (instead of a console). That has to do with the Age/Audience, orientation of the PC, Keyboard/Mouse, contracts etc. You would not want to play an FPS or an MMORPG on a console, simply becuase you don't have a Keyboard and mouse, and they are very detailed games that you have to get up close to see (which ruins the TV display). Well thats not true for FPSes, some play great with an an additional KB/M on the console... but it pretty does require on to be competetive on.
A PC would never replace a console, they are not indirect competition with each other and are in reality, seperate markets. And wtf is an HTPC anyway? its just a PC with a Tuner card that you can watch TV and (mostly record TV) on. How is that going to replace consoles? Unless you are smoking crack, probably thinking logically before posting is a good idea.
ohh... let the flame wars start mister.... You started it.
HTPC's if you're not familiar with it is HOME THEATER PC. Obviously you don't know jack about PCs. First of all XBox is bases on a PC platform so it you're trying to say consoles are better in any way to a PC you are dead WRONG.
PC's are the foundation for consoles, when you take away parts from a PC you get a console system. Based on this I cannot think of ONE reason why in the world a console could be better than a PC.
Logic? If you followed the logic I just posted above, I think it's YOU who's on crack and should stop smoking up before you post. PC's don't NEED to be powerfull you moron, they're inherently powerul. And the fact you can do more for comparably less money has very little to do with power.
Aside from demented fact you tried to state regarding consoles. You also misrepresented whats a true HTPC. HTPC's will be muliti functional which means, it's not as simple as adding a TV card and calling it an HTPC. It mean it will need a versitile Graphics card (which btw would be a key to the PC's advantage to console systems, which would accelerate graphics and with the right card it will enable you to view DVD movies in near High Definition TV quality. Can you say that about Console system? And what do you get for you console system? $50 games and proprietary software. (no shareware, no internet, no DVD/CD burning, no MP3 music, no 8.1 suround sound stereo) I can go on and on.. but I hope you're intelligent enough to get my drift.... Next time you want to make a comment DONT thread crap and start a flame war.
PC's and consoles both have completely different purposes; they each do them well. You can't throw a PC in a backpack, drive around to a buddy's place and have a few joints/beers/pizzas whilst playing games sitting in the lounge. This is what a console is for. The fact that they are both essentially computers doesn't really mean you can compare them. It's like comparing a PDA to a gaming machine!
For someone with little social life it may seem to them that the only plausable option when it comes to gaming is to stick with their much-loved PC box complete with neon lights and LED RAM, but many people demand a certain portability quality. I know I wouldn't like to lug my delicate box round to mate's and rig it all up to the TV in the lounge (with the low res anyway).
Personally I like to have it all: PS2 for the above reason, an average PC for gaming and a mac for actual work. I see PC's in the home as toys rather than workstations. My PS2 was dirt cheap so I'm not bothered about it getting broken in the bag or anything.
For someone with little social life it may seem to them that the only plausable option when it comes to gaming is to stick with their much-loved PC box complete with neon lights and LED RAM, but many people demand a certain portability quality. I know I wouldn't like to lug my delicate box round to mate's and rig it all up to the TV in the lounge (with the low res anyway).
Personally I like to have it all: PS2 for the above reason, an average PC for gaming and a mac for actual work. I see PC's in the home as toys rather than workstations. My PS2 was dirt cheap so I'm not bothered about it getting broken in the bag or anything.
The XBox is a bit of a grey area with me since the thing essentially is a locked down shuttle box. I'm interested to see what the next one is like since MS were losing $100 per console sold when the first XBoxes were released (pics have been released over the last few days).
Not true at all, you really only need to upgrade to play the latest games every ~4 years or so. My ti4600, over 3 years old, can play HL2, Doom3 and Far Cry in 10x7 or better with high to very high detail settings in-game. That's far better than a ps2/xbox, which run most games in 640x480, low detail.
Dunno about your PC, but you can with my HTPC
It's about the size of a medium shoebox. Specs in sig if curious. The only problems are that so few games support 2 or more players, that many games are better on consoles, and that many games are only on consoles; but these are functions of the aforementioned FUD about PCs rather than a limitation of them. The only way to change it, of course, would be to not use consoles, thus forcing game developers to focus on the PC, which is a far better solution anyway. The only reason to have a console is if money concerns prevent you from owning a game-capable PC, but considering that one as powerful as current consoles is under $100, that's really not much of an excuse.Personally I'll never buy a console. If a friend or friends want to play Madden, they can feel free to provide it; I'm not paying either of the world's two most scummy corporations (Sony, Microsoft) money for something I already have two superior & more upgradable models of (consoles are essentially locked down PCs). Otherwise, there are healthier alternatives such as golf, tennis and skating
Consoles are good for some things. If you have friends over and you wanna just sit down a play it's easier than doing a LAN party or something. I love playing shooters on my PC, but I also love playing Madden05 on XBox Live. Sports games suck on PC. Both have their place and I will continue to own both a gaming PC and at least one console.
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some people are so close minded...its like you don't want to buy a console out of some ridiculous principle, like it would make you any less of a computer nerd or something. If you don't have a console, you miss out on great games like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. There are no PC equivalents to those games, so if you really like good games and not just eye candy, you'd own at least one of the consoles so you could play those games. And people here say buy the xbox for eye candy, but infact its you pc gamers that care about eye candy because you keep stating how the pc runs better resolution or whatever. I could care less as long as it looked ok...it doesnt have to be cutting edge but moreso it should be fun to play.
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