How can Mueller protect his investigation if fired

[omega3]

If Trump would be able to fire Mueller (by first replacing whoever necessary), what can Mueller do to protect all his investigation work.

First of all, isn't it so that there is a parallel investigation being done by a NY prosecutor, who cannot be touched by Trump. If not, can Mueller once fired pass on everything he knows to a NY state prosecutor or anybody else?

What other steps can (and should) Mueller take to protect his investigation?

 

[theeedude]

I am sure Mueller is working with state AG's already. That's his way around Trump's power to pardon for federal crimes.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump stands a chance but if he fires Mueller he's toast.

 

[trenchfoot]

It sure does sound like Trump and his GOP lackeys in the House and Senate are about ready to go all out to try and stop Mueller's investigation dead in its tracks.

This is so typical of the GOP in how they operate, in how despicable they are and how they are so completely without honor and integrity when it comes to ensuring their agenda stays on track.

It's as if they know that everything they do will jeopardize their jobs so they attempt to ram things through or attempt to hide their motives and actions whenever possible. However, they did have to make a spectacle of themselves in their attempts to blitzkrieg their way into turning Obamacare into a big tax cut for the wealthy and now we have their tax cut plan whose goal is the exact same damn thing. Rare for them but it was unavoidable for them to hide their moves in this regard.

They skulk, they connive, for the most part they choose to work covertly. Their worst enemies are transparency and sunshine.

And now they're zeroing their cross hairs on Mueller. Test shots have already been fired. Real shit moves by bonafide shitheads.

They've already sunk so low in how they go about their business, I guess they think there's nothing more to lose in the way of their disgraced reputations, their non-existent credibility and the innumerable lies they've been caught in that they just may as well be seen for what they really are and to hell with the consequences.

Trump's and his Congress' approval numbers speak for itself.

 

[JSt0rm]

ny ag is all up in this shit.

 

[brandonbull]

I guess Mueller could pull a Comey and secretly provide information to close friends in order to trigger a special counsel. Please involve another open Trump hater into the investigation to prove even more that Mueller was brought on to explicitly destroy Trump and remove a sitting President.

 

[JSt0rm]

I guess Mueller could pull a Comey and secretly provide information to close friends in order to trigger a special counsel. Please involve another open Trump hater into the investigation to prove even more that Mueller was brought on to explicitly destroy Trump and remove a sitting President.

if trump gets removed it will be because of his actions.

 

[brandonbull]

if trump gets removed it will be because of his actions.

And what illegal actions has Trump committed to cause him to be removed?

 

[IronWing]

And what illegal actions has Trump committed to cause him to be removed?

That's what Mueller is trying to find out. Have you investigated the meaning of the word investigation? It's really quite enlightening.

 

[HomerJS]

That's what Mueller is trying to find out. Have you investigated the meaning of the word investigation? It's really quite enlightening.

I don't think he knows the meaning of most words.

 

[HomerJS]

I guess Mueller could pull a Comey and secretly provide information to close friends in order to trigger a special counsel. Please involve another open Trump hater into the investigation to prove even more that Mueller was brought on to explicitly destroy Trump and remove a sitting President.

SC was triggered because President Dummy tweeted he may have taped Comey's conversation. Comey needed to CHA so he released his personal notes not any state secrets.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's what Mueller is trying to find out. Have you investigated the meaning of the word investigation? It's really quite enlightening.

Mueller knows that everything he might present will be under a microscope with the intent of protecting the Administration. Considering that too many Republicans will support someone they agree is a pedophile, then there is no lower limit to the depths of depravity they might support.

Consequently, he also must know that building a layered prosecution of anyone is necessary. There must be wrongdoing sufficient to bring to the House for impeachment and then convince 2/3's of the Senate to remove from office. That does not mean Trump should not be removed because there is already sufficient grounds, but it does mean that a number of pedophile supporters must agree and that is not certain to be the case.

The investigation may take the better part of next year, but I hope not.

 

[mikeymikec]

I guess Mueller could pull a Comey and secretly provide information to close friends in order to trigger a special counsel. Please involve another open Trump hater into the investigation to prove even more that Mueller was brought on to explicitly destroy Trump and remove a sitting President.

Do you mind if I ask: What proof?

PS: This isn't proof:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/875321478849363968?lang=en

 

[zinfamous]

Trump stands a chance but if he fires Mueller he's toast.

this.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

this.

I think we should steal Trump's mitochondria while he sleeps.

 

[omega3]

Consequently, he also must know that building a layered prosecution of anyone is necessary. There must be wrongdoing sufficient to bring to the House for impeachment and then convince 2/3's of the Senate to remove from office. That does not mean Trump should not be removed because there is already sufficient grounds, but it does mean that a number of pedophile supporters must agree and that is not certain to be the case.

The investigation may take the better part of next year, but I hope not.

Just wondering but what did you mean with "layered" prosecution?

This is what might happen. If Trump only got "help" from Russia then nothing will happen. If Mueller can find Trump being involved in financing criminal activity ie. money laundering, prostitution, shady real estate deals, etc.. then he might still not be removed from office because of the House and Senate having no morals whasoever, however once Trump loses the next election and loses his immunity, maybe the NY DA may go after him and he might actually see jail time? Plausible?

 

[1sikbITCH]

And what illegal actions has Trump committed to cause him to be removed?

My decision is the following:

All Bill Clinton had to do was obstruct justice to be impeached. Not sure how old you were but it's not hard to remember the last few years of his presidency being crushed by the fact that he lied. The GOP did nothing at all for some 3 years except work to remove Bill Clinton.

Hilary potentially exposed some classified emails to the public and they want her in jail too.

Trump has obstructed justice and even admitted it in a text when he fired Comey. He knowingly gave classified secrets that we don't even give our allies to the fucking Russians. Why was he not shot for treason on the spot? He even kicked the Americans out of the room so they couldn't prove it, lied about the whole thing, and then later on came clean.

They chose to downplay it but it was certainly grounds to get rid of him. Hilary just had an exposed email server, she didn't invite them over for beer and secrets.

Not sure what Mueller or the separate panels will rule, but I have issued my ruling. Guilty!

 

[omega3]

When is it expected that Mueller will finish his investigation. I understand you can't do this in a week but what is taking him and his team so long?

Or will he wait till after the 2018 mid-terms to give Reps in congress room to act.

 

[brandonbull]

My decision is the following:

All Bill Clinton had to do was obstruct justice to be impeached. Not sure how old you were but it's not hard to remember the last few years of his presidency being crushed by the fact that he lied. The GOP did nothing at all for some 3 years except work to remove Bill Clinton.

Hilary potentially exposed some classified emails to the public and they want her in jail too.

Trump has obstructed justice and even admitted it in a text when he fired Comey. He knowingly gave classified secrets that we don't even give our allies to the fucking Russians. Why was he not shot for treason on the spot? He even kicked the Americans out of the room so they couldn't prove it, lied about the whole thing, and then later on came clean.

They chose to downplay it but it was certainly grounds to get rid of him. Hilary just had an exposed email server, she didn't invite them over for beer and secrets.

Not sure what Mueller or the separate panels will rule, but I have issued my ruling. Guilty!

You and zinfamous should open up your own detective agency. You do understand that the President can share classified information whenever and to whomever he wishes so he doesn't have to hide the fact? I guess Peter Strozk was mad that he wasn't in the room so he could text his mistress about what was disclosed. I would like to see the tweet where Trump said "I committed obstruction of justice when I fired Comey." Good thing that you are not in charge of anything with your wannabe Judge Dredd attitude.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Just wondering but what did you mean with "layered" prosecution?

This is what might happen. If Trump only got "help" from Russia then nothing will happen. If Mueller can find Trump being involved in financing criminal activity ie. money laundering, prostitution, shady real estate deals, etc.. then he might still not be removed from office because of the House and Senate having no morals whasoever, however once Trump loses the next election and loses his immunity, maybe the NY DA may go after him and he might actually see jail time? Plausible?

What I mean by layered is that we have one thing linked to as many things as possible, nothing in isolation, prosecutorial redundancy if you will. The defense makes a sound argument? OK, that happens. Oh about the other half a dozen things supporting allegations as well? Well, that's a whole other thing. A foundation of evidence is built and supporting structures added with other charges supported by more evidence culminating in a solid prosecution. Make something unassailable by the defense first then crush the Administration.

Jail time is possible especially if crimes are committed in a state like NY, such as money laundering. No pardon, no escape.

 

[mikeymikec]

I would like to see the tweet where Trump said "I committed obstruction of justice when I fired Comey."

Baldrick: I, too, have a cunning plan to catch the spy, sir.

Edmund: Do you, Baldrick, do you...

Baldrick: You go round the hospital and ask everyone, "Are you a German spy?"

Edmund: Yes, I must say, Baldrick, I appreciate your involvement on the
creative side.

Baldrick: If it was me, I'd own up.

 

[1sikbITCH]

You and zinfamous should open up your own detective agency. You do understand that the President can share classified information whenever and to whomever he wishes so he doesn't have to hide the fact? I guess Peter Strozk was mad that he wasn't in the room so he could text his mistress about what was disclosed. I would like to see the tweet where Trump said "I committed obstruction of justice when I fired Comey." Good thing that you are not in charge of anything with your wannabe Judge Dredd attitude.

Nice try. You guys still think Hilary is guilty and should go to jail and you also tried to get rid of Bill. But you do a 180 when all of a sudden your own guy does even worse shit. When it comes to Trump nothing is illegal because the President can commit treason without penalty just because he's the President. Sugar coat that shit all you want. Dude's a criminal.

And here is the tweet regarding the other reason he should be removed, as if we need two reasons:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/4/16730290/trump-tweet-obstruction-justice

By midday Saturday, though, Trump could maintain his silence no longer:

I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 2, 2017

At first glance, this tweet might seem to be just another typically boisterous Trump denial of wrongdoing. But many soon observed that it could be deeply problematic for the president’s legal defense.

The issue here is Trump’s apparent admission that he fired Flynn in part because he “lied to” the FBI — something Trump has not said in the past. Lying to the FBI is a crime, so if Trump knew Flynn had done that before firing him, that would suggest he knew Flynn committed a crime.

And if Trump knew Flynn committed a crime, his subsequent urgings to then-FBI Director James Comey to “let” the Flynn investigation “go” look even more like obstruction of justice than they already did.

He says he knew Flynn was corrupt when he tried to get the FBI to drop the investigation. That's obstruction.

 

[Maxima1]

Nice try. You guys still think Hilary is guilty and should go to jail and you also tried to get rid of Bill. But you do a 180 when all of a sudden your own guy does even worse shit. When it comes to Trump nothing is illegal because the President can commit treason without penalty just because he's the President. Sugar coat that shit all you want. Dude's a criminal.

And these morons were saying Hillary shouldn't be president while under investigation or that she shouldn't be near it for mishandling classified info. Trump runs roughshod over all that and then some like emoluments. They're pathetic.

 

[mikeymikec]

Trump stands a chance but if he fires Mueller he's toast.

I'd like to think so, but frankly he fired Comey for the same thing and he got away with it. He's declined to state whether he'll pardon Flynn (Why on earth would he pardon Flynn?). He wants the Russia investigation to stop. The more he protests, the more obvious it becomes that the investigation is leading to his door.

These aren't the actions of an innocent man. An innocent man would by default respect the judicial process and the law behind it that is the very basis of his Presidency, and let the investigation run its course. Now if Mueller couldn't stop tweeting every five minutes about how all conservatives are corrupt etc, then a sensible person would question Mueller's objectivity. But there's basically no reason to question Mueller's objectivity, judging by (public) appearance he's keeping his head down and knuckling down to the job he's been given.

If Trump does manage to fire Mueller, then it's the politicians' job to hold Trump accountable for impeding an investigation into the highest levels of government, and its the peoples' job to start protesting Trump's actions because it's a threat to a healthy democracy. If the people and the politicians fail to do their jobs, then I think a coup in the US starts to become a very real possibility, because if the President can basically do whatever he likes without any checks and balances, then the US may as well give up on the idea of democracy and hand Trump's family all the keys to the kingdom, and Trump can tell the people about how much money he's saved by firing everyone in the senate and congress.

 

[umbrella39]

And what illegal actions has Trump committed to cause him to be removed?

Why do you hate our system of checks and balances and America in general? If Trump were Obama and pulling 1/10,000th of this shit, you'd have stormed the Capital with tiki torches already...

Who the actual fuck do you think you are kidding when you hit the Post Reply button?