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How can I make this work? 2 Internet 1 LAN.

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Helllearner

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Hello everyone ,
I have been trying to figure out how to make this network work as it should. To explain things easily look at the setup of our network.

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1)We have two cables going into two different routers, both in the internet port of each router then to our desktop PC's via cable from LAN to PC port.
2)We got a cable joining both the routers LAN to LAN port.
3)We both use PPOE to log in via the routers to access internet.
4)We both have different internet speed plans from our ISP ( our ISP is the same ).
5)We both obtain IP address automatically.
6)We both are using windows 8.1.

What am I trying to achieve?

I want that when we access the Internet we both should work at our respected plan speeds we have taken. But when we access each others computer (LAN) we have the LAN transfer speed i.e. currently 11mbps. Also when playing games it should detect each other.
All I want is both my Internet connection and LAN connection work simultaneously.

Problems I am facing?

While both's internet are active LAN seems to bug out completely. It will not detect each other on any game. It will still show his PC in the network and read/write speed at 11mpbs. Apps like LAN messenger cannot find each other. Sometimes the internet just stops working & vice-verse. Sometimes the internet connection speed is what my friend has taken.


How do I configure the network to work properly.
 
Set only a single router to DHCP. Really what you are trying to do isn't going to work well. However, you CAN set your computer in the static IPv4 settings to use your router as the default gateway and he'll need to do the same for his router. Then just let one of the routers take care of DHCP and set the other router outside of the reserved DHCP range, so that its static and you can set the computer to use it as the default gateway.
 
I'm not a networking guru but:

Dual WAN router and then you could load balance the connection. You would be sharing the each connection though.
 
@JackMDS , alfa147x
We want our internet connection separated as we both pay different amounts.
Also purchase of a dual WAN router is out of the option.

@azazel1024

I will try what you have said and report as soon as possible.

Edit : I have tried what you have said and It has not given any results....its the same as before, no application is detecting the LAN connection. Any more ideas anyone?
 
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If you are in the same household, why are you two paying for separate Internet plans to the same provider? Do you have 2 physical PPOE devices?

The way you are attempting to do that is out of the box and not going to work. Just plug a PPOE device into a switch(router) and plug the PC's into the ports of that same switch.
 
I don't see idea behind this setup. What do you exactly want? If you two are in the same house, just use one internet connection and with switches and WiFi, you can network many PC's in a LAN. Why two internet sources? Unless speed is an issue, I don't see why.
If sharing is a problem, you can split the cost.
 
Phaetos said:
If you are in the same household, why are you two paying for separate Internet plans to the same provider? Do you have 2 physical PPOE devices?

The way you are attempting to do that is out of the box and not going to work. Just plug a PPOE device into a switch(router) and plug the PC's into the ports of that same switch.
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We are not in the same household. We live in two separate buildings. The switch being on the roof and the routers being at our flats. Also we both are from different families with different thinking.

JackMDS said:
May be Bridging can solve the problem.

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/create-a-network-bridge-windows



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Apparently windows 8 did not create another Ethernet connection. I noticed that when I put LAN only it switches to network 2 on the Ethernet connection and when it is with both it remains on network 1.

iamgenius said:
I don't see idea behind this setup. What do you exactly want? If you two are in the same house, just use one internet connection and with switches and WiFi, you can network many PC's in a LAN. Why two internet sources? Unless speed is an issue, I don't see why.
If sharing is a problem, you can split the cost.
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The idea behind this is that we both want to use our net while using LAN at the same time. Our net speed varies in the ratio 1:2 and we cannot share the connection as we are from different families.

example: We both are playing GTA 4 on LAN. But while doing that we both want to download files too as it saves tons of time.

After various attempts we have reached a point where my friend only puts his LAN wire in the router or directly connects it to his PC. This makes us both use the net and LAN work properly but he uses my internet package not his.

Is there no other way except buying a dual WAN router?
 
Why not put a second network card in both computers and connect this network card to an offline shared network. This second network may be the network cable running directly from one computer to the other or through a switch for more computers to access this network. Set static IPs that are not the same as your router's range with no Gateway or DNS.
 
JohnG86 said:
Why not put a second network card in both computers and connect this network card to an offline shared network. This second network may be the network cable running directly from one computer to the other or through a switch for more computers to access this network. Set static IPs that are not the same as your router's range with no Gateway or DNS.
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Why did this not strike me earlier..! You sir/Madam have given me the best solution to my problem and its a cheap one too. LAN cards come for around 3-4$ dollars and do the work just fine. I shall try this setup and then reply asap

Edit : After doing some research I have found this

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D-Link DFE-520TX Network Nic adapter

So this will get the job done right?
 
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Helllearner said:
Why did this not strike me earlier..! You sir/Madam have given me the best solution to my problem and its a cheap one too. LAN cards come for around 3-4$ dollars and do the work just fine. I shall try this setup and then reply asap

Edit : After doing some research I have found this

d-link-dfe-520tx-400x400-imadfy9g6y6tgahg.jpeg


D-Link DFE-520TX Network Nic adapter

So this will get the job done right?
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You will have to pick your connection each time...say like this:

Ethernet0 - My WAN
Ethernet1 - My Buddies WAN

I am not sure why you are doing this if indeed you want things to remain separate.

I is confused.
 
alkemyst said:
You will have to pick your connection each time...say like this:

Ethernet0 - My WAN
Ethernet1 - My Buddies WAN

I am not sure why you are doing this if indeed you want things to remain separate.

I is confused.
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So you are saying it wont work? and what do you mean by picking your connection each time? doesn't windows do this automatically?
 
alkemyst said:
You will have to pick your connection each time...say like this:

Ethernet0 - My WAN
Ethernet1 - My Buddies WAN

I am not sure why you are doing this if indeed you want things to remain separate.

I is confused.
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No, you won't need to. If the computer boths have the second network card connected directly to each other, than they'll see each other on the connection and nothing else on each other's network, so long as you don't bridge the adapters on the machines.

As for the adapter, yeah, it'll work. Only if you have PCI slot though. Otherwise you need a PCI-e network card.
 
azazel1024 said:
No, you won't need to. If the computer boths have the second network card connected directly to each other, than they'll see each other on the connection and nothing else on each other's network, so long as you don't bridge the adapters on the machines.

As for the adapter, yeah, it'll work. Only if you have PCI slot though. Otherwise you need a PCI-e network card.
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Alright but I still have a doubt. Multiplayer on the internet will choose Ethernet 1
and Multiplayer on LAN will automatically choose Ethernet 2 right? Or do I have to tell the computer which one to choose..?

Eg: Gta 4 has two Multiplayer options, one is LAN and other is internet.
So if i Choose LAN it will use Ethernet 2 automatically & vice-versa
 
azazel1024 said:
No, you won't need to. If the computer boths have the second network card connected directly to each other, than they'll see each other on the connection and nothing else on each other's network, so long as you don't bridge the adapters on the machines.

As for the adapter, yeah, it'll work. Only if you have PCI slot though. Otherwise you need a PCI-e network card.
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Ahh wasn't thinking a point-to-point connection, I was thinking he wanted each NIC to be on a different WAN.

That would work indeed. However default gateways and the like may break his internet connection depending on how the machine is set up.
 
I done similar setups and it has worked fine, at least for things like file sharing and going out to the internet.

I can't speak specifically to LAN versus internet gaming in GTA4 if it'll work properly. It should, but I certainly can't promise it without actually having tried it.
 
Alright, Thank you all for helping me troubleshoot my problem. I will take the small risk of setting that up and and will respond asap.
 
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