How can anyone condone Limbaugh

CaptnKirk

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L.A. Times Op/Ed

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"Do the right thing." These were Secretary of State Colin Powell's words of advice to the Wake Forest University class of 2004 in his May 17 commencement address. Then Powell issued an incontrovertible condemnation of the actions of U.S. soldiers' abuse of Iraqi prisoners: "Our nation is now going through a period of deep disappointment, a period of deep pain over some of our soldiers not doing the right thing at a place called Abu Ghraib?. All Americans deplored what happened there."

Well, perhaps not all Americans. There's at least one American who has publicly praised, condoned, trivialized and joked about the abuse, torture, rape and possible murder of Iraqi prisoners. This American does not appear to be going through "a period of deep pain." This American has instead called the abuse "a brilliant maneuver" and compared it to a college fraternity prank: "This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation," he said.

He excused the actions of our soldiers this way: "You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?"

Who is this American so unlike "all Americans," as Powell described us? Rush Limbaugh, host of the nationally syndicated radio program, "The Rush Limbaugh Show."

Limbaugh, of course, is entitled to express his views, however bizarre, ill considered and offensive. I would never dream of telling him what he should or shouldn't say. But that doesn't mean that radio stations have to pick him up. Just as he can speak his mind, they can choose to air his show or not.

That's why I was stunned to learn that one full hour of "The Rush Limbaugh Show" is broadcast every weekday directly to our soldiers in Iraq and around the world ? to nearly 1 million U.S. troops in more than 175 countries and U.S. territories. Moreover, it is the only hourlong partisan political talk show broadcast daily to the troops.

Limbaugh's show is broadcast by the Department of Defense's American Forces Radio and Television Service, or AFRTS. According to its website, "The AFRTS mission is to communicate Department of Defense policies, priorities, programs, goals and initiatives. AFRTS provides stateside radio and television programming, 'a touch of home' to U.S. service men and women, DoD civilians and their families" outside the continental United States.

Why should American taxpayers pay for the broadcasting of such inexcusable views to U.S. troops? Why, at a combustible moment like this one, would we be funneling Limbaugh's trivializations to our men and women at the front? Does Limbaugh's pro-torture propaganda really qualify as "a touch of home"?

On CNN on June 2, Pentagon official Allison Barber defended the continued broadcasting of Limbaugh, saying broadcast decisions are "based on popularity here in the States." But Barber also acknowledged that AFRTS based its programming decisions not only on ratings but on content too. Barber explained that AFRTS did not carry Howard Stern's radio show ? which draws more than 8 million listeners a week, but which has also recently been the target of massive FCC fines for "indecency" ? because "his issue is one of content that is not appropriate." AFRTS carries programming from National Public Radio, but only news and features. It does not carry any partisan political talk show other than Limbaugh's.

By choosing the Limbaugh show over any other, even in the wake of Limbaugh's recent remarks, the Pentagon and indeed Congress, which holds AFRTS' purse strings, deems his content to be "appropriate." I disagree, and along with 30,000 other Americans I signed a petition at the website mediamatters.org calling for Limbaugh's removal from AFRTS.

In general, I believe all reasonable views should be aired. Quite aside from the Abu Ghraib controversy, I'd like to see AFRTS broadcast a fuller range of political views to our troops rather than giving Limbaugh a monopoly at the microphone ? and I applaud the Senate for approving an amendment to the defense authorization bill offered by Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) that calls on AFRTS to provide political balance in its news and public affairs programming. But in this case, nothing short of removing Limbaugh will suffice. The issue goes beyond ideological balance ? this is an issue of national security and national unity.

Limbaugh's comments, and their tacit endorsement by the U.S. government, send a message to U.S. servicemen and servicewomen that torture is not a subject to be taken seriously and that these are actions that can be excused. Nothing could be more wrong than that.
 

Riprorin

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"Limbaugh, of course, is entitled to express his views..."

"But in this case, nothing short of removing Limbaugh will suffice."

So which is it?
 

irwincur

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Just normal liberal hypocracy. They love personal rights, yet when in power they are the first to limit them - because well, the common people are too stupid to control their own lives. Really irritating that most liberals miss this message from the mothership.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Just normal liberal hypocracy. They love personal rights, yet when in power they are the first to limit them - because well, the common people are too stupid to control their own lives. Really irritating that most liberals miss this message from the mothership.
I have to agree, Limbaugh should have the right to continue to make a complete ass out of himself.
 

HardWarrior

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Only a deeply flawed individual will see Limbaugh for anything other than what he is, a comedian.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
"Limbaugh, of course, is entitled to express his views..."

"But in this case, nothing short of removing Limbaugh will suffice."

So which is it?

Nah, he's just sore that his MPD afflicted hero Stuart Smalley can't BUY an audience on AirAmerika.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
"Limbaugh, of course, is entitled to express his views..."

"But in this case, nothing short of removing Limbaugh will suffice."

So which is it?
Why don't you read the whole article instead of cherry-picking two sentences out of context to sell your preconceived agenda. (Where have we heard that before? Is that you, Mr. V.P.? Manufacture any intelligence reports lately?) The author explains his rationale quite well.
 

viivo

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Rush Limbaugh = Michael Moore

Same concept different venue.

Indeed. I find Limbaugh more comedic though. Moore seems so humorless in his extreme fact slanting, whereas Limbaugh seems to dupe his viewers with a bit of tongue-in-cheek, almost as if he's about to admit it's all been a parody.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The guys on strong narcotics, you have to take that into consideration.


the only thing that needs to be said....
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Just normal liberal hypocracy. They love personal rights, yet when in power they are the first to limit them - because well, the common people are too stupid to control their own lives. Really irritating that most liberals miss this message from the mothership.
Can we assume you were equally critical of efforts to silence Howard Stern, the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, the CBS Reagan movie, etc.? You also railed against the hypocrisy of the right, true? Surely you aren't a hypocrite yourself?
 

daveshel

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I remember when I first heard Rush - took me a while to catch on - I thought it was comedy that just didn't work very well.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Just normal liberal hypocracy. They love personal rights, yet when in power they are the first to limit them - because well, the common people are too stupid to control their own lives. Really irritating that most liberals miss this message from the mothership.

"The issue goes beyond ideological balance ? this is an issue of national security and national unity."

This makes me laugh. How is ther LATimes fostering "national security and national unity"?

Perhaps they should get their own house in order before they start attacking others.

L.A. Times Editor Attacks Bias in Its Coverage
 

etech

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Rush Limbaugh = Michael Moore

Same concept different venue.

That's the way I see it. I don't listen to Limbaugh because I know that his show is more about entertainment than education. I don't watch Moore's movies because he admits that they are just op/ed pieces and that he is biased.

edit.

Just in case someone dispute's my comment's about Moore.

Heat Is On
"...
STEPHANOPOULOS: Random House defines "propaganda" as information, rumors, et cetera, deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, et cetera. By that definition, Fahrenheit 911 is propaganda, isn't it?

MOORE: Well, it's an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration. And that's what I call it. I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism, even though those who use the words "fair and balanced" often aren't that, but?

STEPHANOPOULOS: And your goal is to defeat President Bush.

MOORE: I would like to see Mr. Bush removed from the White House.

..."

That seems pretty clear to me.
 

CaptnKirk

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What all you are missing is that ARMED FORCES RADIO is putting his show on
the network for airplay to our servicemen - at the expense of the taxpayer.

I don't care what he says of does - but we should not be bankrolling his agenda,
even though he tends to be a Partisan mouthpiece, to an audience that has no
choice of what to listen to.
If they are playing his show in a chowhall for all the troops to have to listen to,
there is no choice to 'Turn it off' is there ? Just get up and leave ?
This in itself is a self serving partisan action.
 

irwincur

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Can we assume you were equally critical of efforts to silence Howard Stern, the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, the CBS Reagan movie, etc.? You also railed against the hypocrisy of the right, true? Surely you aren't a hypocrite yourself?

Can you read... My post did not even mention this. Quit straying because you cannot answer the basic tenants of liberal belief.


But, yes I do support free speech. I don't care what people say, other than they can say it. Now there should be a level of personal responsibility that no longer seems to exist. If you are selling lies (like Moore) it should be noted that his movie is fictional not factual. But there is no need, and has been no attempt to silence him or anyone else.

Furthermore, in the case of the Dixie Chicks and CBS, it was their viewers and fans that put the pressure on. Those fans have the same rights, the right not to listen or purchase. And the right to say what they want. Stern is making an issue out of existing laws that are just now being enforced. If he had a real problem, he should have complained when the laws were originally written - not amended. It is actually pretty sad that many laws were not enforced during the Clinton administration. New ones were just placed on top of them.




Now about my first point. The left runs on a 'protect ours rights platform'. However, the left when in power is the first to limit personal rights. The extremes of leftism are socialism and communism - two government forms where personal rights do not exist. Everything is for the group.
 

NeoV

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morons on this forum, like Train, have no doubt listened to, and for some reason believed, way too many of Rush's lies...

lets ask the troops if they would rather hear Howard Stern or Rush
 
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Originally posted by: Doboji
Rush Limbaugh = Michael Moore

Same concept different venue.

I'd agree with that, but in all fairness the point of the editorial is to condemn the fact that AFR rebroadcast's Rush's bloviation to the troops at taxpayer expense.
 
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Originally posted by: irwincur
It is actually pretty sad that many laws were not enforced during the Clinton administration. New ones were just placed on top of them.

Say what? The highest fines ever assessed against a broadcaster (until this year) were assessed against Stern during the Clinton administration, in 1993-1994.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
What all you are missing is that ARMED FORCES RADIO is putting his show on
the network for airplay to our servicemen - at the expense of the taxpayer.

I don't care what he says of does - but we should not be bankrolling his agenda,
even though he tends to be a Partisan mouthpiece, to an audience that has no
choice of what to listen to.
If they are playing his show in a chowhall for all the troops to have to listen to,
there is no choice to 'Turn it off' is there ? Just get up and leave ?
This in itself is a self serving partisan action.

Absolutely. Sign up for the armed forces and listen to Rush 24/7 ;) Now we know where AndrewR gets his views from :p Perhaps this is the reason perfectly good US soldiers become "bad apples" and start torturing other people. :confused:
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: irwincur
Just normal liberal hypocracy. They love personal rights, yet when in power they are the first to limit them - because well, the common people are too stupid to control their own lives. Really irritating that most liberals miss this message from the mothership.

"The issue goes beyond ideological balance ? this is an issue of national security and national unity."

This makes me laugh. How is ther LATimes fostering "national security and national unity"?

Perhaps they should get their own house in order before they start attacking others.

L.A. Times Editor Attacks Bias in Its Coverage
Still didn't read the whole article did you? Is the LA Times delivered "every weekday directly to our soldiers in Iraq and around the world ? to nearly 1 million U.S. troops in more than 175 countries and U.S. territories"? The Department of Defense's American Forces Radio and Television Service is, which is the whole point of this article.
 

irwincur

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Say what? The highest fines ever assessed against a broadcaster (until this year) were assessed against Stern during the Clinton administration, in 1993-1994

Then there was silence. I was more refferring to the total legal climate.




The Little Red Book. Communist Manifesto. Mao's Diary. What else do you need. It is the foundation of liberalism.
 

viivo

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Say what? The highest fines ever assessed against a broadcaster (until this year) were assessed against Stern during the Clinton administration, in 1993-1994

Then there was silence. I was more refferring to the total legal climate.




The Little Red Book. Communist Manifesto. Mao's Diary. What else do you need. It is the foundation of liberalism.

I'm not a Liberal. I was interested in it more for the educational and information value. At least you reply to legitimate questions concerning blanket statements instead of running away like Heartsurgeon, though coming back with venomous hyperbole probably speaks more than a real response.

Credibility--