How can AMD sit still and watch???

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: the Chase
That's where I think Nvidia is aiming these cards. At the OEM's. Sure they will release them retail for people not up to speed on benchmarks,etc. But what they are really meant for is to be really cheap to produce to still make a decent profit margin selling mass quanities of cards to the OEM's.

I would agree and with no DX10 cards to compete with in retail why not send em out there with an extra $40 tacked on. I am betting NVIDIA is making a tidy profit on these. I'm sure they would happily sell them for $40 less if they had competition.

AMD has no choice in this. They simply don't have the cards ready to go yet. I think the biggest part of the reason right now (and why the previous "launch" was canceled) is that the drivers are still a mess. For everyone complaining (myself included) about the state of Nvidia drivers right now, we may be suprised (or not?) by some really bad ATI drivers in the beginning.

I'm willing to bet the R600 drivers WILL suck. Not because AMD\ATI writes bad drivers, but because this entirely new piece of hardware will be run on 1000 times more systems and games than they could ever test on in-house.

I'm sure someone on here with a Socket-754 sempr0n running Windows 2000 will complain about some driver bug while playing Barbie's Fashion Show.

 

[nitromullet]

i still think they should hire me ... i can explain it a lot better than their fud-spinners do

lol

an Apop press release...

For *Immediate

Release*

ATI*

TODAY*

:disgust:

Announces *the* ==Introduction==



of its ***nEW**

....

bah! I can't even fake it right

 

[apoppin]

you're right

introducing the **New Family** of r600 ...
--to *sweep* away the competition

[insert 'broom' emoticon]
:roll:

nvidia doesn't stand a chance
with me running AMD's PR


within 5 years nvidia would be *out* of business
--ask Rollo
:Q

you wouldn't *want that* ... now would you?
:evil:

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
I'm willing to bet the R600 drivers WILL suck. Not because AMD\ATI writes bad drivers, but because this entirely new piece of hardware will be run on 1000 times more systems and games than they could ever test on in-house.

I'm sure someone on here with a Socket-754 sempr0n running Windows 2000 will complain about some driver bug while playing Barbie's Fashion Show.

I don't expect the XP drivers to be bad, but the Vista drivers I'm honestly not expecting to be much better than Nvidia's. ATI has been having their own suite of problems with Vista, including poor OpenGL performance and a really, really, really stupid bug in the 7.3 drivers that caused mass-BSODs and should have easily been caught in QA.

 

[NamelessMC]

I think AMD knows they have the mid-range covered. Especially with how poorly the 8600 series cards are performing. Drivers or not, those cards are just a major flop.

The 8600GTS performs on par with the X1950 Pro? I mean, the 1950 Pro is $150 brand new. $135 after rebates with the best version, and they can't best it at nearly $65 more?

What I think AMD is worried about, is the high end. I don't think the R600 is as "awesome" as they thought it would be, even with how much more ultra mega stuff it has like 250+ more megabytes of ram, GDDR4 instead of GDDR3, super ultra mega shaders and all that.

And a die shrink does what? I mean look at Brisbane. It's a 65nm version of the X2, yet it still doesn't over-clock past 3.0ghz any better than other chips. It's just cooler, but the architecture is still limited.

People over-rate the size of chips too much. Oh if it's 65nm instead of 80nm it's gonna be wowzorz awesome pwn-cakes with extra frosting!

Architecture support in applications and properly implemented technology means everything. AMD went too wacko with the R600 design and they know it. Why did they delay another month? You honestly think it has to do with the die shrink and wanting a full line of cards?

Come on, you guys spend enough time on the FS/FT to spot a con artist. They're lying to save face. Real reason they delayed? The R600 still can't cut it, hence the "numerous revisions", so they wanted a month to get a new batch of their "Plan C" R600 out in hopes of saving face and they decided they'd rebadge one of their older R600 revisions as the "XT" or rather "Base high end" card so they could keep face and get buyers interested. Luckily for the clutzes that are actually going to buy that hot, soon to be replaced pile of junk, it's at least the version that was competent to the 8800GTX.

Being an ATI fan is one thing, but being blind enough to believe this load of crap they're feeding you guys? Let's get real.

 

[Gstanfor]

Advanced Micro Devices Q1 2007 Earnings Call Transcript

AMD Reports Huge Q1 Loss, but Shares Trade Higher on CEO Comments

AMD Is In Real Trouble

I couldn't resist (look at the market cap numbers and remember both ATi & AMD were each worth more than 5 billion going into the merger -- "Oh dear" whatever has gone wrong?
AMD
nvidia

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Advanced Micro Devices Q1 2007 Earnings Call Transcript

AMD Reports Huge Q1 Loss, but Shares Trade Higher on CEO Comments

AMD Is In Real Trouble

I couldn't resist (look at the market cap numbers and remember both ATi & AMD were each worth more than 5 billion going into the merger -- "Oh dear" whatever has gone wrong?
AMD
nvidia

let's DO go on

AMD slips in US retail outlets

What is interesting, however, is that the Current Analysis figures have been regularly trumpeted by AMD as underlining how well it was doing.

The figures show for combined notebook and desktop sales, that in Q4 of 2006 Intel had 58.8 per cent of the market, but in Q1 2007 had 66.1 per cent. In contrast, in Q4 06 AMD had 41.1% and in Q1 07 33.9 per cent.

On the desktop front, the figures show AMD with 53.7 per cent of the market in Q4 2007, which fell in Q1 07 42.3 per cent, while Intel grew its desktop sales from 46.2 per cent in Q4 06 to 57.8 per cent in Q1 of 2007

now IF this is the reason for the delay ... and IF AMD is able to bring a Stellar family of products next month .... they *might* just be OK

IF their *gamble* pays off

Sound and physics are the buzzwords for AMD's R600

...
It seems now that the System-on-a-Chip concept implemented in R600 was far beyond anything Graphzilla's rider Jen-Hsun ever talked about, and the roar of angry beast will be heard in city of Satan Clara.

We hear that Sound Physics has been buzzed for quite some time, and we are massaging our contacts to bring you as much detail as possible. It seems that R600 GPU will be less CPU-bound than it has been in the past, since a lot more parts of the scene will be calculated and rendered on the GPU itself.

R600 combines graphics with audio and physics process in a whole another way, and those 64 vect5D shader pipelines yield in 320 scalar units total, directly comparable to Nvidia's 128 scalar ones. Now, 128 scalar units at 1.35 GHz is still a tad more efficient that ATi's own 320 at 740 MHz, but ATi's pipeline is more complex than it was previously thought.

Who'd ahev thought that ATI would overtake Nvidia in a race to multi-purpose GPU and make consoles of today with their PowerPC CPUs look so 1990s? Perhaps R600 was really worth the wait after all.

the ^above^ is "How can AMD sit still and watch


--a HUGE gamble


i hope they pull it off

 

[Gstanfor]

Well, sound is just HDMI pass-thru if rumors are correct, hardly anything to get worked up over and nvidia is waiting for the right moment to reveal g80's physics capabilities, so I'm not sure that R600 has any real advantage that g80 lacks.

losing 3 billion in market capitalization in the space of a year is quite the feat I must say, and certainly won't help AMD to compete with intel or nvidia.

 

[apoppin]

i am adopting a "wait and see" attitude ... for now
... for the next 3 or s weeks

if r600 turns out it isn't "all that" ... THEN i expect Barcelona isn't either ...

and then AMD will have *meltdown"

i *hope* NOT!

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: NamelessMC

Being an ATI fan is one thing, but being blind enough to believe this load of crap they're feeding you guys? Let's get real.

Let's check back our history shall we?

8500 outperformed GeForce 3
9700Pro/9800Pro/9800XT outperformed 5800U/5900U/5950U
X800XT/X850XT outperformed 6800U
X1800XT/X1950XTX outperformed 7800GTX 256mb/7900GTX

Betting for 8800GTX to outperform HD2900XT is betting against the odds. Either way it doesn't matter. Why? Because Nvidia almost always had better cards in segments that actually matter to us (except for those with $550 8800GTXs) - mid-high end and mid-range.

Nvidia had GeForce 4200, 6600GT, 7600GT, 6800GT, 78/900GT and now 8800GTS 320mb - each of these cards proved to be good bang for the buck and the timing was great in those releases.

It's almost irrelevant whether or not HD2900XT can beat 8800GTX or tie it in performance without considering pricing.

But does ATI have the next 6600GT and 6800GT in its lineup? Most people really care if ATI has a card in the $300 price range, say X2900???(Pro) that will smoke 8800GTS 640mb and HD2600XT that will trounce $200 8600GTS. Also even if HD2900XT doesn't beat 8800GTX, but it costs $100-150 less, then I'd consider that a win wouldn't you?

You can't please everyone. There are going be those who are happy with a $400 ATI card delivering 8800GTX performance and there are going to be those who'd pay $600 for an ATI card that gets 15-20% boost from 8800GTX. Personally I'd want the lower price, equal performance option.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Know one has waited longer or more patiently for the R600 than I have.

I like what ATI is doing. Vista isn't really ready yet even tho it was released. Their are no DX10 games out as of yet. So whats the hurry.

I want penryn for my next build by than R650 64nm should be available some DX10 games should be out. And vista SP1 swhould be out.

I have my upgrade planned . Whats going on with the R600 fits my plan like a glove.

To many of the guys are jumping all over the place and their plans fit about as good as the OJ glove fit his hand.

I can't wait to see ATI graphics using DX10 games compared to NV. That should be interesting. It would be funny would it not if NV unified shader tech doesn't work with a true dx10 game would it not.

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i am adopting a "wait and see" attitude ... for now
... for the next 3 or s weeks

if r600 turns out it isn't "all that" ... THEN i expect Barcelona isn't either ...

and then AMD will have *meltdown"

i *hope* NOT!

Well I wouldn't equate Barcelona with the R600 apoppin. R600 was an ATi embryo near birth during the acquisition.

*if* the R600 isn't all that then I would put it down to the merger and strategy issues.

This over hyped card was supposed to be out December and was almost a certainty. I wonder what went wrong.

Being a long time AMD fan, I hope they bounce back.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Pugnate

Originally posted by: apoppin
i am adopting a "wait and see" attitude ... for now
... for the next 3 or s weeks

if r600 turns out it isn't "all that" ... THEN i expect Barcelona isn't either ...

and then AMD will have *meltdown"

i *hope* NOT!

Well I wouldn't equate Barcelona with the R600 apoppin. R600 was an ATi embryo near birth during the acquisition.

*if* the R600 isn't all that then I would put it down to the merger and strategy issues.

This over hyped card was supposed to be out December and was almost a certainty. I wonder what went wrong.

Being a long time AMD fan, I hope they bounce back.

what happened ... according to theInq article they *transformed* it

and what i am saying is that IF this "transformation" turns out to be 'whistles and bells' ... with no significant performance over nvidia's best

then i also have no hope for Barcelona ... as intel is readying it's Big Guns for a real quad core confrontation

i have never been an AMD fan but i am hoping beyond hoping they can pull this off
-the *alternative* is UNACCEPTABLE