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How big is the warez community? Just curious..

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<< well who decides how much the intellectual content is worth? It is worthless to me... >>



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no comment
 
1) Copyright infringement has negligible effect on the economy because the rhetoric of lost sale is a fraud. Software is not property, therefore cannot be stolen. Calling copyright infringers "pirates" is an attack upon their character. People who refuse to recognize a government-granted monopoly should not be equated to lawless criminals who murder people, rape women, and sink ships on the high seas.

hahahahahahahahaha
Did you come up with this at the last stoner session?

My god kid, the only one who has fallen for propaganda is you. Remember this, just because the establishment engages in propaganda, doesn't mean that those against the establishment are free from it.

Software is not property, therefore it cannot be stolen?

Such a simple thing, how come I couldn't see it? hahah

There is really no point in talking with you.





 


<< I don't want opinions, or extrapolated info, I want facts, numbers, annual reports. Anything then the worthless banter and bs spewed across this thread. If warez has been caught in MANY businesses, where is the documentation? >>



Good luck finding an annual report of suspected losses due to piracy.
As far as companies selling/using illegal copies of software, here's 19 for you.
 


<< When you steal the cd, you are not stealing it for it's physical value, but for the value of the intellectual contents (music). >>



Everyone I know who still buys CD's buy them for the liner notes, the cover art, and the satisfaction of having the music occupy a physical space in their music collection.

They do not pay for the intellectual work because they are aware that they can readily get it off the web. So there is no scarcity of intellectual work. When something has no scarcity, it has no value. Go read up on economics.
 
Nice, only took 1 whole page to get a link. But thats called proof. 🙂

So if its good luck to finding info on losses due to piracy, good luck on someone believeing the BS people spew.
 


<< They do not pay for the intellectual work because they are aware that they can readily get it off the web. So there is no scarcity of intellectual work. When something has no scarcity, it has no value. Go read up on economics. >>



and if people jsut decide to stop making the intellectual work?

people that pay for cd's are supporting the habits of those who don't

people don't do it for "the love of music" or "the love of programming"

they do it for the money

when there is no money involved in it, they will stop doing it
 


<< Everyone I know who still buys CD's buy them for the liner notes, the cover art, and the satisfaction of having the music occupy a physical space in their music collection. >>

My BS detector siren went off when I hit this post. Still had the volume up from playing a CD earlir. Gotta warn folks before ya spring that on em!
 


<< people don't do it for "the love of music" or "the love of programming" >>



There are tons of people who make music or software for the love of music and for the love of programming.

IN FACT, the reason that popular music has gotten so bad lately is because there are too many people making music for money, and not enough people making music out of the love for music.
 


<< Nice, only took 1 whole page to get a link. But thats called proof. 🙂 >>

Also called "I'm too lazy to take the .4 seconds it took Beau to type in 'software piracy suits' at google to find this stuff".



<< So if its good luck to finding info on losses due to piracy, good luck on someone believeing the BS people spew. >>

Prove that they didn't have losses due to piracy.
 


<< There are tons of people who make music or software for the love of music and for the love of programming. >>



oh man, so poeple slave away 70 hours/week working their asses off to finish a program (let's say warcraft3?) just because they "love to do it"

they do it because they know that it's gonna pay the bills

maybe somebody making a few small programs or something because they like to do it

but nobody with half a brain would write x thousand pages of code if they got nothing out of it

if intellectual property was worthless, people would use their time doing something else that would pay the bills

the world revolves around money
 


<< IN FACT, the reason that popular music has gotten so bad lately is because there are too many people making music for money, and not enough people making music out of the love for music. >>

There's no FACT about that, that is your opinion.
 


<< The disposable income of the average middle school kid / high school kid / college kid / twentysomething salary employee will not suffice to purchase a single overpriced application at its full price. >>

But those same people seem to find the money every month for weed.
 


<< Then where do they find the money every month for weed? >>



paying for weed? that's absurd!

puff puff give, puff puff give!

don't phuck up the rotation!
 


<< [qThe disposable income of the average middle school kid / high school kid / college kid / twentysomething salary employee will not suffice to purchase a single overpriced application at its full price. >>

Then where do they find the money every month for weed?[/i] >>

Hehehe...

It's not the high-school kid that is causing the damage. There is mucho evidence that they could use to prove that they were using it as purely an educational tool. The part that is causing the damage is the corporatation that could afford to purchase the software, but uses a pirated version because it is available.
 


<< How can you be sure the comapany you worked for reflects on the rest of the businesses active in the market today? >>

I worked for a company that would install software on several machines, after purchasing only one copy. My best friend worked for another company that did the same.

Software piracy in copmanies is rampant.
 


<< Also called "I'm too lazy to take the .4 seconds it took Beau to type in 'software piracy suits' at google to find this stuff". >>

Damn, chief, that's like 450 wpm! 😉
 


<< Also called "I'm too lazy to take the .4 seconds it took Beau to type in 'software piracy suits' at google to find this stuff". >>



Why should I be the one to research info to back YOUR statement? You made the post, you back the words. Its not my responsibility to save your face.



<< Software piracy in copmanies is rampant. >>


Another generalization without numbers. Stating the obvious is easy, proving its obvious is harder.

And I also work at a software comapany so I do know what your talking about.
 


<< It depends on what you mean by the warez community.

If you only include those who supply, crack, and then curry among topsites, then it barely cracks a thousand people.

If you include stupid divx rip groups, mp3 rip groups, TV rip groups, anime subtitle groups, FXP groups, public ftp curries, Hotline server admins, leechers, and people who buy pirate CD's on the streets of Hong Kong, then it easily goes up to billions of people worldwide. >>


yea i was gonna say the same






from, ME
 


<<

<< There are tons of people who make music or software for the love of music and for the love of programming. >>



oh man, so poeple slave away 70 hours/week working their asses off to finish a program (let's say warcraft3?) just because they "love to do it"
they do it because they know that it's gonna pay the bills
maybe somebody making a few small programs or something because they like to do it
but nobody with half a brain would write x thousand pages of code if they got nothing out of it
if intellectual property was worthless, people would use their time doing something else that would pay the bills
the world revolves around money >>



you don't program do you? no body in their right mind would sit at a computer screen programming for 70 hrs a week if they didn't love doing it.
 


<< you don't program do you? no body in their right mind would sit at a computer screen programming for 70 hrs a week if they didn't love doing it. >>

You don't own a business do you? Nobody in their right mind would work their ass off only to have people steal what they created. I've done both, and I don't do a whole lot of programming without some kind of compensation. Sometimes personal satisfaction is enough. Usually it isn't.
 


<< You don't own a business do you? Nobody in their right mind would work their ass off only to have people steal what they created. I've done both, and I don't do a whole lot of programming without some kind of compensation. Sometimes personal satisfaction is enough. Usually it isn't. >>



SO you're saying you want to get PAID!:Q

That soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Wrong!😛

 


<< you don't program do you? no body in their right mind would sit at a computer screen programming for 70 hrs a week if they didn't love doing it. >>



yah i do, but only if i got PAID
 
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