How are voter laws racist?

[Smoblikat]

Just read that thread about the Daily Show guest, and while I find him to be undeniably "racist" I honestly dont see how voter ID laws and early voting laws only serve to hurt minorities.

I voted in 2012 (I will never vote again) and I didnt really do anything special, just drove to my local high school, showed the girl at the desk my ID and voted. How did that inhibit minorities from voting exactly?

 

[nehalem256]

How did that inhibit minorities from voting exactly?

Because even though black people are fully capable of showing ID for their cigarettes and 40s they can't for voting? :hmm:

Probably has more to do with the 11 million illegal hispanics who have trouble getting ID for obvious reasons.

 

[Smoblikat]

Because even though black people are fully capable of showing ID for their cigarettes and 40s they can't for voting? :hmm:

Probably has more to do with the 11 million illegal hispanics who have trouble getting ID for obvious reasons.

I figured it was so that illegals can vote, but wanted to see how the democrats are rationalizing it.

 

[thraashman]

Just read that thread about the Daily Show guest, and while I find him to be undeniably "racist" I honestly dont see how voter ID laws and early voting laws only serve to hurt minorities.

I voted in 2012 (I will never vote again) and I didnt really do anything special, just drove to my local high school, showed the girl at the desk my ID and voted. How did that inhibit minorities from voting exactly?

The proportion of minorities without a valid ID for voting is significantly higher than the proportion of white people. Minorities tend to vote Democrat at a much greater rate than they vote Republican. The Republican sponsored voter ID laws are aimed at making it harder and less likely that groups that would traditionally vote Democrat can legally vote. They are aimed at mostly college students and minorities. Specifically targeting a minority group to disenfranchise them most would consider racist

Because even though black people are fully capable of showing ID for their cigarettes and 40s they can't for voting? :hmm:

Probably has more to do with the 11 million illegal hispanics who have trouble getting ID for obvious reasons.

If you can't see how your entire post was racist as fuck you are not only beyond help you are a disgusting piece of shit. Should we add minorities to the list of things you hate? So now it's women, homosexuals, and minorities. You make derogatory comments about any group that isn't straight, white, male. There is something seriously wrong with you that I can't imagine an insult that could encompass it all.

 

[Matt1970]

Because according to Democrats minorities can't seem to find their way around town. Thanks thraashman, add college students to that.

 

[spacejamz]

The proportion of minorities without a valid ID for voting is significantly higher than the proportion of white people.

Won't these minorities need valid ID for Obmacare?

 

[BUnit1701]

The proportion of minorities without a valid ID for voting is significantly higher than the proportion of white people. Minorities tend to vote Democrat at a much greater rate than they vote Republican. The Republican sponsored voter ID laws are aimed at making it harder and less likely that groups that would traditionally vote Democrat can legally vote. They are aimed at mostly college students and minorities. Specifically targeting a minority group to disenfranchise them most would consider racist


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Except that every state which requires an ID to vote will gladly provide one free of charge to any person unable to procure one through traditional methods. Disenfranchisement not found.

 

[fskimospy]

I figured it was so that illegals can vote, but wanted to see how the democrats are rationalizing it.

It's pretty simple. They are laws that restrict rights without any evidence to support their necessity or efficacy. I mean how much more basic can you get than that? These laws disproportionately affect racial minorities.

Although in all fairness I think the principal motivation here is to suppress the votes of people they think will vote for Democrats, not specifically the votes of minorities. So yeah it's still incredibly shitty, but just in a different way.

 

[nehalem256]

The proportion of minorities without a valid ID for voting is significantly higher than the proportion of white people. Minorities tend to vote Democrat at a much greater rate than they vote Republican. The Republican sponsored voter ID laws are aimed at making it harder and less likely that groups that would traditionally vote Democrat can legally vote. They are aimed at mostly college students and minorities. Specifically targeting a minority group to disenfranchise them most would consider racist

Except that they are not specifically targeting minorities.

In fact I bet the black and Hispanic people that would consider voting Republican have no issue with ID.

 

[SparkyJJO]

The proportion of minorities without a valid ID for voting is significantly higher than the proportion of white people. Minorities tend to vote Democrat at a much greater rate than they vote Republican. The Republican sponsored voter ID laws are aimed at making it harder and less likely that groups that would traditionally vote Democrat can legally vote. They are aimed at mostly college students and minorities. Specifically targeting a minority group to disenfranchise them most would consider racist

There is nothing stopping minorities from getting IDs, or making it harder for them to get them vs white people.

You guys keep trying to make it a race issue and it isn't. I know race baiting is one of your favorite plays but it is getting really old and overused. Just stop already.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Except that every state which requires an ID to vote will gladly provide one free of charge to any person unable to procure one through traditional methods. Disenfranchisement not found.

And what supporting documentation do they require to sign up for the free ID? Say a Birth Certificate for example? Any ideas on how many blacks born during say the 20's-60's into poverty throughout the south were born at home without any formal registrations done to actually get a birth certificate?

 

[thraashman]

Except that every state which requires an ID to vote will gladly provide one free of charge to any person unable to procure one through traditional methods. Disenfranchisement not found.

But they often won't provide the documents required to acquire those IDs and they also often make acquiring the ID more difficult including eliminating the ability to apply or renew via mail. I live in Georgia where we've had an ID requirement for as long I've been able to vote. However when the voter ID kick started, they then decided to increase the requirements needed to obtain or renew an ID. My previous ID hasn't expired yet so I haven't had to go through that, but I've heard several people who've had extreme difficulty renewing they're existing IDs.

 

[Matt1970]

It's pretty simple. They are laws that restrict rights without any evidence to support their necessity or efficacy. I mean how much more basic can you get than that? These laws disproportionately affect racial minorities.

Although in all fairness I think the principal motivation here is to suppress the votes of people they think will vote for Democrats, not specifically the votes of minorities. So yeah it's still incredibly shitty, but just in a different way.

So we now have minorities, college students and anyone who tends to vote for Democrats who can't seem to find their way around town.

 

[fskimospy]

So we now have minorities, college students and anyone who tends to vote for Democrats who can't seem to find their way around town.

You guys always get the order of argumentation wrong. Before we start discussing how easy it is for people to 'get around town', we should establish that this law actually serves a purpose.

As I asked in another thread, to justify this law you basically need to answer this:

Why do you believe undertaking this action is necessary, what objective are you attempting to accomplish, and why is preventing some legal voters from voting is a worthwhile price to pay to achieve this objective?

Please use empirical evidence to justify your position.

 

[thraashman]

I love it. Republicans think everyone should have to have an ID on them at all times and have all these requirements of government issued IDs to vote, but suggest to them a national gun registry and they go fucking bonkers.

 

[Svnla]

Won't these minorities need valid ID for Obmacare?

Or check out book at library or buy cigarettes/alcohol or enter a casino or enter Costco and so on.......

 

[spacejamz]

And what supporting documentation do they require to sign up for the free ID? Say a Birth Certificate for example? Any ideas on how many blacks born during say the 20's-60's into poverty throughout the south were born at home without any formal registrations done to actually get a birth certificate?

Guess they won't get their Obmacare coverage then....

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I personally oppose voter ID laws because they solve a problem that doesn't exist. In-person voter fraud (the kind of voter fraud that IDs would solve) is extremely rare; depending on what sources you look at, it's happened, at most, a few dozen times in the last decade. Obviously, any voter fraud is bad, but a few dozen times in a decade is so exceedingly rare given how many millions of votes have been cast in that time that you realize in-person voter fraud has literally no influence on elections.

The 24th Amendment to the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to vote without having to pay any tax; if ID is required to vote, the Constitution dictates that it must be provided free of charge (which means that it comes out of taxpayer money). I, personally, don't want my taxpayer money being spent to buy millions of IDs for people when the problem it seeks to correct has absolutely no influence on elections. It seems like a colossal waste of resources that could be better used in hundreds of other ways (the highest on the list being right back into my pocket).

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Or check out book at library or buy cigarettes/alcohol or enter a casino and so on.......

Right. Because everyone over 30 gets ID'd every time they buy cigarettes and beer, enter a casino etc...

 

[spacejamz]

I love it. Republicans think everyone should have to have an ID on them at all times and have all these requirements of government issued IDs to vote, but suggest to them a national gun registry and they go fucking bonkers.

I love it...You will need to prove your identify in order to get Obmacare coverage, so how will these people prove who they are when they get coverage?

But that isn't racist though, right?

 

[Svnla]

Right. Because everyone over 30 gets ID'd every time they buy cigarettes and beer, enter a casino etc...

Obviously, you never work at a casino. I am sure over 30s don't need ID to check out book or enter Costco/Sams Club, right? :whiste:


Let see, do need ID to open a bank account, darn racist bankers, LOL.

And ID to get EBT card, darn racist guvernment.

And ID to apply for any job, darn racist employers.

And ID to rent an apartment, darn racist landlord.

And so on, darn racist <fill in the blank>.

 

[Dman8777]

If it aint broke don't fix it. Voter fraud is at the very bottom of the list of problems the country is facing. Making it more difficult to vote in a country where roughly half the population votes is pretty lame too.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Minorities may not have ID; how then are they able to register to vote in the first place?

Inconvenience as an excuse? Unless they are a shut-in; they can get themselves to an approved ID place in plenty of time. Also, time to collect any documents that were used to register in the first place.

Voting is a privilege; put some effort beside lip service.

For the shut-ins and a family/social service member can not assist them; then make it so they can request someone to come and verify them. But if they are shut in- how can they get to the polling booth. Absentee ballot seems likely.

 

[SheHateMe]

Because even though black people are fully capable of showing ID for their cigarettes and 40s they can't for voting? :hmm:

You suck.

 

[thraashman]

I love it...You will need to prove your identify in order to get Obmacare coverage, so how will these people prove who they are when they get coverage?

But that isn't racist though, right?

The ACA itself does not provide coverage. The coverage comes from a private entity and IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED RIGHT!