How are the Red Sox any different than the Yankees?

[NYHoustonman]

I don't have much time to reply as I have class in 5 minutes, but I'm sure you've noticed that the Red Sox are $60 million behind. And I'm sure you realize that that kind of money buys two ARod's with roughly $7 million to spare. Hell, they could buy nearly the entire Oakland A's team, among others (others=almost half the league).


That is all.

 

[Anubis]

Bos 123mil <<<<<<< 181mill NYY

 

[jlarsson]

Originally posted by: Toasthead
I guess it doesnt really matter to the Red Sox fans, but this post season just further shows the disparity in major league baseball. As much as the Red sox and thier fans try to distance themselves form the Yankees, they have used almost the EXACT reciepe for their sucess that the Yankees have. (NOW RED SOX FANS, DONT GET ME WRONG... its not like your team had much choice!) All I am saying is that its continuing the same issues with MLB that have existed since the yankees went on their spending sprees several years ago. Lets look at the stats:

Red Sox:
Median Salary: 3.08 Million ( 2nd in baseball)
Total Salary: 127 Million (2nd in baseball)
19 1+ million dollar players
ONLY THREE homegrown players.

Yankees:
Median Salary: 3.1 million (1st in baseball)
Total Salary: 184 million (1st)
21 1+ million dollar players
5 homegrown players.

I guess all Im trying to say is the red sox arent really anything special this year folks.. they SHOULD win the world series...they are buying it just like everyone complains the Yankees do.

First off, Median salary doesn't show anything. Try average salary ... according to ESPN.com,

Yankees Avg. Salary - $6,304,673
Red Sox Avg. Salary - $4,173,618

The difference is about $2.13 million. The average salary MLB-wide is about $2.48 million.

I'm not going to deny that the Red Sox also spend a lot of money. That isn't the issue. When the Yankees spend over $57 million more than any other team in baseball, that gives them an unfair advantage when it comes to making mistakes with players.

On a side note, there are 14 major league teams you could fund with the $57 million difference between the Yankees and Red Sox payrolls.

Now, you mention homegrown players. Let's check that number in 5 years, and it will be drastically different.

Also, the notion that players have to play for the Yankees in the twilight of their careers to get a ring is starting to change.

 

[JDub02]

eh .. I don't like either team. Go Cards!

 

[geecee]

Since we're discussing it, here's the complete list...

2004 Team Salaries (according to ESPN):
1. NY Yankees 183,335,513
2. Boston 125,208,542
3. Anaheim 101,909,667
4. NY Mets 95,754,304
5. Philadelphia 93,219,167
6. Chicago Cubs 91,101,667
7. Los Angeles 89,694,343
8. Atlanta 88,507,788
9. San Francisco 82,019,166
10. St. Louis 81,008,517
11. Seattle 78,483,834
12. Houston 74,666,303
13. Arizona 70,204,984
14. Colorado 68,610,403
15. Chicago Sox 68,262,500
16. San Diego 63,689,503
17. Texas 59,845,973
18. Oakland 59,825,167
19. Minnesota 53,585,000
20. Toronto 50,017,000
21. Detroit 49,828,554
22. Baltimore 49,212,653
23. Kansas City 47,609,000
24. Montreal 43,197,500
25. Cincinnati 42,722,858
26. Florida 42,118,042
27. Pittsburgh 40,227,929
28. Cleveland 34,569,300
29. Tampa Bay 28,706,667
30. Milwaukee 27,518,500

As I said in my previous post, 7 out of 8 teams that made the postseason were in the top 12 salaried teams (Of the the remaining 5 in the top 12 salaried teams, 3 more - Cubs, Philly and San Fran - were in the running for a postseason spot going into the last month.), with the exception being the Twins. It seems money may not win you the World Series, but it sure does give you a good chance to. Which teams were competitive without as much salary (say within 5 games of first in their division)? Aside from the Twins, really only Oakland, Texas and arguably San Diego. Those four teams ranked 16-19 in salary. Call these your "bang for the buck" teams. The lowest five salaried teams finished 3rd (of 5), 5th (of 6), 3rd (of 5), 4th (of 5) and 6th (of 6). Small market teams have little or no margin for error in terms of signing free agents or keeping their players.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

The disparity btw the amount the yanks spend and the red sox spend is the difference. Yanks DOUBLED the 4th position team in payroll. yeah the sox were a cool 30 mil. above them, but thats not the same as 100 mil.

so yes, the sox do buy their talent, but still not in the same way the yanks do. i do find it interesting how the relative differences btw 3 - 30 are small, and boston is a nice jump above 3, and the yanks WAY above.

 

[Ranger X]

With the 2nd highest payroll, people tend to forget about Boston's payroll. It's comparing high payroll with higher payroll and having the lesser payroll doesn't give you the right to totally neglect your own team's spending habits. When the teams are in the playoffs, payroll doesn't matter. Whether you're paid like ARod or Joe Nathan, anyone can choke in the playoffs. The Yankees choked and there is no money in this world that can help their cause.

If you're going to complain about payroll, complain about it during the regular season and not during the playoffs.

 

[isasir]

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[geecee]

A minute with a spreadsheet yielded this. (Slow day at work ) Really shows you some of the better values in baseball. But who cares about value? Fans want their team to win!

Wins/Team/$ per Win
70 Tampa Bay $410,095.24
67 Milwaukee $410,723.88
80 Cleveland $432,116.25
83 Florida $507,446.29
72 Pittsburgh $558,721.24
76 Cincinnati $562,142.87
92 Minnesota $582,445.65
78 Baltimore $630,931.45
67 Montreal $644,738.81
91 Oakland $657,419.42
89 Texas $672,426.66
72 Detroit $692,063.25
87 San Diego $732,063.25
67 Toronto $746,522.39
105 St. Louis $771,509.69
92 Houston $811,590.25
58 Kansas City $820,844.83
83 Chicago WSox $822,439.76
91 San Francisco $901,309.52
96 Atlanta $921,956.13
93 Los Angeles $964,455.30
68 Colorado $1,008,976.51
89 Chicago Cubs $1,023,614.24
86 Philadelphia $1,083,943.80
92 Anaheim $1,107,713.77
63 Seattle $1,245,775.14
98 Boston $1,277,638.18
71 NY Mets $1,348,652.17
51 Arizona $1,376,568.31
101 NY Yankees $1,815,203.10

EDIT: Spelling and playoff teams bolded.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: geecee
A minute with a spreadsheet yielded this. (Slow day at work ) Really shows you some of the better values in baseball. But who cares about value? Fans want their team to win!

Wins/Team/$ per Win
70 Tampa Bay $410,095.24
67 Milwaukee $410,723.88
80 Cleveland $432,116.25
83 Florida $507,446.29
72 Pittsburgh $558,721.24
76 Cincinnati $562,142.87
92 Minnesota $582,445.65
78 Baltimore $630,931.45
67 Montreal $644,738.81
91 Oakland $657,419.42
89 Texas $672,426.66
72 Detroit $692,063.25
87 San Diego $732,063.25
67 Toronto $746,522.39
105 St. Louis $771,509.69
92 Houston $811,590.25
58 Kansas City $820,844.83
83 Chicago WSox $822,439.76
91 San Francisco $901,309.52
96 Atlanta $921,956.13
93 Los Angeles $964,455.30
68 Colorado $1,008,976.51
89 Chicago Cubs $1,023,614.24
86 Philadelphia $1,083,943.80
92 Anaheim $1,107,713.77
63 Seattle $1,245,775.14
98 Boston $1,277,638.18
71 NY Mets $1,348,652.17
51 Arizona $1,376,568.31
101 NY Yankees $1,815,203.10

EDIT: Spelling and playoff teams bolded.

Must be a really slow day at work, lol, what do you do?

Basically you can say that there is a inverse correlation to money spent/win to total payroll, because the top 10 are so ahead of everyone else, mathematically a win will be worth less in accordance to more $ spent.

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Basically you can say that there is a inverse correlation to money spent/win to total payroll, because the top 10 are so ahead of everyone else, mathematically a win will be worth less in accordance to more $ spent.

Law of diminishing returns, hehe. But Minnesota is by far the best value of the playoff teams. A slightly better bullpen and we'd have been seeing Santana against Schilling. As a Yankee fan, that would have been preferable to losing to the Sox on the 0-3 comeback.