this is why they changed the rules. to make that game matter.
it all started with the idiotic 7-7 tie.
Ah ok. Then that was money well spent.
I think though that the Yankees are paying all of Brown's ~$15million salary? Or are the Dodgers eating some of that?
geecee
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Sadly, this is a trend that could apply to most of the teams in the postseason this year. After the Yankees (1) and the Sox(2), Anaheim is the 3rd highest spending team. On the NL side of things, St Louis is 10th, Houston is 12th, LA is 7th and Atlanta is 8th. So 7 of the teams in the postseason rank in the top 12 in salaries. The lone exception is the Twins (19th overall).
While I haven't examined the "homegrown" player numbers, it wouldn't surprise me if there are few in each of those 7 organizations. While the Twins are proof that smaller market teams can be competitive, I think they have to have better scouting, better coaching and better "team" play to compete. Any mistake they make (free agency or otherwise) is likely also to be much more magnified in their plans as they are less equipped to absorb season/career ending injuries and dead weight salaries as their more free spending big market counterparts are able to (there aren't many teams in the league that could afford to eat Giambi's rather excessive salary and nonperformance like the Yankees can).
I guess one final point is that these small market teams can also not afford the one big player they may need to get them over the hump. Imagine if the Twins could afford to go after a Schilling or a Johnson. Imagine their rotation with Santana, Radke and that one other difference maker in it. That's another luxury only the wealthier teams have.
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While I haven't examined the "homegrown" player numbers, it wouldn't surprise me if there are few in each of those 7 organizations. While the Twins are proof that smaller market teams can be competitive, I think they have to have better scouting, better coaching and better "team" play to compete. Any mistake they make (free agency or otherwise) is likely also to be much more magnified in their plans as they are less equipped to absorb season/career ending injuries and dead weight salaries as their more free spending big market counterparts are able to (there aren't many teams in the league that could afford to eat Giambi's rather excessive salary and nonperformance like the Yankees can).
I guess one final point is that these small market teams can also not afford the one big player they may need to get them over the hump. Imagine if the Twins could afford to go after a Schilling or a Johnson. Imagine their rotation with Santana, Radke and that one other difference maker in it. That's another luxury only the wealthier teams have.
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Is this a trick question? The Red Sox are a Boston team and are in the World Series this year, the Yankees are a New York team and aren't in the World Series this year. There are other differences, such as players, managers, etc. but I just don't have time to detail them all.
SP33Demon
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Well, I've also voiced discontent about the free spending of the Red Sox, and not having enough homegrown talent. Even when there is homegrown talent, it's either traded away (Bagwell in 1990) or put on the table (catching phenom Kelly Shoppach in Boston farm system right now) as trade bait. All of this would change with a hard cap, I'd like to see more development in the minor league system, and less buying of free agents.
But also, like others have mentioned, in order to compete with NY you have to break the rules sometimes. Until Boston wins a championship, I'm not all that opposed to this method, that's how desperate Boston fans are to win! If George can take advantage of the system, why can't Henry and Theo? I'd also like to point out to you that Boston is still NOT over the soft cap, i.e. they aren't paying a single solitary dime in luxury tax (cap is around 130 million), and didn't in 2003 either, while NY will pay around 15-25 MILLION this year alone. Also notice how the Yankees were the only team that paid a luxury tax (whopping 10 million) for 2003. Boston is close to the luxury tax limit this year with the addition of Foulkie and Schill, but I'd say they were well worth their weight in gold. That was another reason Henry didn't want to sign ARod, he wanted to stay under the soft cap. And like others have mentioned, NY still paid about 30% more for their team (and 30% over the soft cap) so there is a huge disparity.
OP is right though, $ for $ Boston should win the World Series, they have more superstars and better talent. But when you have such a small set of games in such a short amount of time, anything can happen, unsung heroes emerge and you can pretty much throw $ out the window. Just ask teams like Anaheim and Arizona their championship years if $ meant anything...
But also, like others have mentioned, in order to compete with NY you have to break the rules sometimes. Until Boston wins a championship, I'm not all that opposed to this method, that's how desperate Boston fans are to win! If George can take advantage of the system, why can't Henry and Theo? I'd also like to point out to you that Boston is still NOT over the soft cap, i.e. they aren't paying a single solitary dime in luxury tax (cap is around 130 million), and didn't in 2003 either, while NY will pay around 15-25 MILLION this year alone. Also notice how the Yankees were the only team that paid a luxury tax (whopping 10 million) for 2003. Boston is close to the luxury tax limit this year with the addition of Foulkie and Schill, but I'd say they were well worth their weight in gold. That was another reason Henry didn't want to sign ARod, he wanted to stay under the soft cap. And like others have mentioned, NY still paid about 30% more for their team (and 30% over the soft cap) so there is a huge disparity.
OP is right though, $ for $ Boston should win the World Series, they have more superstars and better talent. But when you have such a small set of games in such a short amount of time, anything can happen, unsung heroes emerge and you can pretty much throw $ out the window. Just ask teams like Anaheim and Arizona their championship years if $ meant anything...
Right, if you're a Yankee, your image is just a reflection of what the owner wants your image to be. Not so if you're a Red Sox.
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Actually thats false too, why would Miguel Tejada or Jim Thome care who had home field advantage when they know their team has NO chance of being there? What they need to do is take away the mandatory 1 player from each team if they are going to make the game mean something. Who wants a player from the Expos or Tigers on their roster?
Are you sure there's a mandatory one player from each team restriction? Also, the Phillies had a shot at the playoffs by midseason, so Jim Thome would care. Furthermore, I think players want to be able to say that they were a part of what happened in the World Series even though they were on a non-contending team.
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yes Im positive there is a one player from each team rule. Im not so sure that Mariano Rivera would be thrilled with the thought 'OH BOY! I saved the all star game that gave the red sox the home field advantage and the best shot at a WORLD SERIES!' I just dont think they care...unless they have some incentive bonus tied to it.
SP33Demon
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Actually, Tejada's O's OWNED Boston this year, look it up. Furthermore, they were actually only 3 games back of Boston at one point, so no, Tejada's O's were never completely "out of it". Neither were Jim Thome's fightin' Phils (my 2nd fav team), the Phils were in the Wild Card race going into September, look it up they were only 2-3 games back at one point, well ahead of the Houston Astros (who surged and took it). The majority of the All Stars DID have something to play for though.
Um, Vlad Guerrero was on the Expos in 2003. O.Cabrera, who galvanized the Red Sox, was on the Expos at the All Star break. Pudge Rodriguez (Tigers) was leading the league in batting up to the AS Break, would you not want guys like this to play in the AS Game b/c they were from a losing team?? That's just absurd.
SP33Demon
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And do you think Manny and Ortiz would have been thrilled with the thought that their HR's would have helped NY get homefield in the WS, had NY made it? The point is, nobody knows what team will go, but they will want to play hard b/c if it just so happens to be their team, then that would be awesome. Aside from the whole pride of spanking the other league...
Also, many players do get incentives in their contracts just to make the AS Game. So the fact that they're getting a fat check to be there, coupled with the homefield incentive, should be enough to want to give it your all.
yup, at least one player from every team. That's why players like Mike Williams made the All Star game a couple years back even though he had a 5-6 something ERA but the Pirates had no one else more worthy.
geno
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The Yanks have a bunch of superstars on their team, and are paid as such:
Jeter
A Rod
Sheffield
Williams
Lofton
Mussina
While the Red Sox have (IMO)
Martinez
Ramirez
Schilling
The rest of our guys are either home grown or better than average players:
Damon
Nixon
Mueller
Millar
Cabrera
Jeter
A Rod
Sheffield
Williams
Lofton
Mussina
While the Red Sox have (IMO)
Martinez
Ramirez
Schilling
The rest of our guys are either home grown or better than average players:
Damon
Nixon
Mueller
Millar
Cabrera
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