just stop replying to nutshot, it's not worth the time or energy.
OT is really slow though. :\ What do you expect me to do,
go outside or something like that?
Anybody who has spent ten minutes in a calculus class knows that adding an infinite number of bits doesn't always get you to a huge number.
It doesn't
need to, but there's no inherent property of it that precludes the creation of a large number.
You keep talking about an alternative as if you not liking it makes it automatically wrong. How about you focus on the "stuff" and tell me why you believe "stuff" can start to self-replicate (nothing like this has ever been observed) and do so in a way that introduces errors and eventually produces the most intricate and amazing molecular machines imaginable. You don't need to accept God and reject this fairy tale you all are trying to prop up. What's wrong with "I don't know?"
"I don't know" is acceptable in some cases. It's saying "I don't know, therefore God" or "I don't know, end of story" that aren't acceptable.
Yes, there is a chance that certain things out there are beyond our understanding. The human mind is not unlimited in capacity or capability. It has limitations. Maybe there are things we can't know.
However, we do have some ways to cheat: Theoretical models. Math. Language.
We can represent complex things in a simpler way, and then internalize
that concept, and attempt to fashion a bigger model around that. It really opens the door to understanding some extremely complex things that a human mind could not handle in their entirety.
If not pseudo-random mutations and developments, what then is the answer? Are you pushing "I don't know" as the answer at this point? Or some manner of creator entity?
Which are perfectly explicable by looking at the chemistry of the molecules involved. This has nothing to do with life forming on its own.
"Perfectly explicable." A curious choice of words.
Some things aren't, either. Tin whiskers is a similar phenomenon, wherein tin will spontaneously grow tiny filaments. This is a problem in electronics, as these filaments can cause short circuits. We don't really understand why it works though. We know that it
does, and that certain things can be done to mitigate or prevent it.
Life: Maybe we cant make the first self-replicating molecules that transitioned from "non-life" to "life." And we don't live long enough to see a bacteria turn into a rhino. But we can observe genetic change in a species, we can observe simple speciation in short-lived life forms, and we can make testable predictions. Those testable predictions have produced an enormous amount of evidence that, yes, "genetic copying errors could actually build human brains." Simple attrition will tend to eliminate errors that don't enhance the life form's survival.
Except it isn't coming from chaos it is coming because of the chemical properties of the molecules. The exact opposite of order from chaos.
Macro-level order.
Large-scale: The early universe was a disorganized soup of particles, mostly hydrogen.
Each atom: Sure, orderly. A proton bound to an electron.
Large-scale ordering: Irregularities in the initial singularity result in density variations. Gravity drags together denser regions, because of the inherent properties of the atoms (matter has mass). Stars form.
Order from chaos, depending on the scope of what you're looking at.
If you want to pick it apart and not use the terms "order" and "chaos," then stars are just a manifestation of the inherent properties of hydrogen, and stemming from that, all heavy elements are also inherent properties of hydrogen. If you cram enough hydrogen together, it'll turn into things that we classify as different elements. It's still just protons and electrons doing things according to their inherent properties. Another property is that they can permit bundles of molecules that can interact with other bundles to create more identical bundles: Self-replication.
So stars, the Universe, and life itself are all perfectly explicable by looking at the inherent behaviors of the subatomic particles involved.
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