How angry should I be? (CSR interaction)

scootermaster

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Back story:

Let me preface this by saying I love Verizon. I've been a Verizon wireless customer for 8 and a half years, which is pretty damn long in the cell phone game. I remember I chose them because they were the only company that had coverage in the three areas of Northern California I was in commonly, and they had this sexy Samsung Flip phone.

And all my family is on ATT, but I always stuck with Verizon because they were good to me. They have, BY FAR, the best customer service of any large company I've ever dealt with (I just dealt with Logitech, and they were insanely good, but they're much smaller).

So that's how I'm coming in to this...8.5 years of happiness.

The story:

I get a really big cell phone bill. I figured it'd be bigger because I'd used a lot of minutes (almost to my quota) but I called and upgrade to a bigger plan, so no biggie (Verizon is nice enough to call you AND text you if you're coming up to your quota). So the nice lady on the phone got me my bigger plan (at a cost of $20 extra), and for the last 10 days of my cycle, didn't have to worry about minutes.

So I call to make sure this huge bill is for 2 months. The lady says, no, it's for one. I said, um, how could I have overages? I upgraded my plan. She then explains to me that what they did is instead of just giving me the bigger plan, they took my old plan, shortened it to a 20-day cycle (instead of 30), and then prorated the minutes I'd used (i.e. divided 450 minutes by 20). So I had one cycle with my normal minutes that was 20 days, and one that was 10 days that had 900 minutes. Or thereabouts.

The result? I incurred HUGE overages for that first cycle, because I'd used 425 of my 450 minutes (this is why I called in the first damn place). So for that 20 day cycle, I was "allowed" like 340 minutes, and I used 425.

Strangely enough, that's not my issue. I KNEW Verizon would fix it. So that's not the problem.

After the CSR told me this, I was a little nonplussed and a tad upset. I just didn't understand how Verizon could just decide that I only get 450 / 30 minutes "per day". If I want to use them all on day one, fine. All on day 30, fine. Who the hell were they to decide? And why did they brag about being able to switch your plan to avoid overages? I mean, I could have turned my phone off for 10 days (actually 7, a couple of the days were weekends) and not paid a cent. And I STILL had 25 minutes to play with for emergencies.

So I said to the CSR "Thats [effing -- using the real word] insane"

Note, I didn't say "YOU'RE effing insane", or "Eff you", or "You're effing stupid" or anything else aggressive or abusive.

She loses her shit. Starts telling me "Sir, I don't have to put up with that sort of language from you or anyone else"

I tell her, calmly, "Look, I know this isn't YOUR fault. YOu don't sit on the board at Verizon and make these decisions. But I'm upset. So transfer me to your manager, or to retentions [I'm in the process of switching to an iPhone family share plan on ATT. I'm the only Verizon holdout]." She says something, and I start telling her the story I told above -- about how much I love Verizon customer service, and how I've NEVER had a problem. I don't know how much of that story she heard.

Why?

Because she hung up on me.

THAT'S the issue.

I don't tolerate that from people I know, much less some stranger who exists to try and make MY life easier.

Could not BELIEVE she did that.

So, there's the question: How angry should I be?

(The epilogue is I called back, calmly talked to another CSR, explained to her everything, she told me the person who switched my plan upwards was retarded, didn't backdate it correctly, and "fixed" it. I put that in quotes because I got a credit, which isn't acceptable to me, because it's more than one month's bill and I don't know if I want to be a verizon customer for another 2 months after all of this BS. So now I have to go make them put it back on my credit card. And as an added bonus, they can back-date switches to bigger plans, but of course, they can't do that for switches to smaller plans. So I'm out the fee for 22 days of my "upgraded" plan. Which is like $16 for 450 minutes I'll never use. I'm only at 300 minutes this time. Ironically enough, the reason I used so many minutes LAST time was talking to....drum roll..LOGITECH TECH SUPPORT. And we've come full circle).

Cliffs:
1. Needed more minutes on my cell phone
2. Called, upgraded plan.
3. Got HUGE cell phone bill
4. CSR explained to me what happed
5. Dropped an F bomb, but not "at" the CSR
6. CSR HUNG UP ON ME
7. Called back, figured out it was all their fault in the first place
8. How angry should I be?
 

ggnl

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I've worked a couple jobs that involved some CS duties and they all allowed us to hang up on cursing customers. Maybe that CSR took it a little too far, but you shouldn't have dropped the f-bomb in the first place, so it's kind of your fault.
 

slag

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I dont know. If I'm working customer service and someone curses on the phone, whether its towards me or otherwise, I'm going to hang up on them as well. There's a time and place for that language and its not on the phone with someone who is going to try to assist you. Some people are uber sensitive to bad language and it looks like you found her.

 

waggy

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don't blame her. you started cursing. i would have hung up on you myself.
 

TwiceOver

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Sounds like she did the right thing.

Edit: I had an Alltel bill that was $425 once. My wife's parents added a land line and of course she didn't add the number to our circle. So I called up and calmly explained the situation. In short, the CSR added the number the my circle and recalculated the bill. Saved me $350 by not flying off the handle.

EDIT: Yeah I know Verizon bought out Alltel. So I'll be stuck with them. Just depends what they do with the whole my circle thing on whether I continue with them or not.
 
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Originally posted by: waggy
don't blame her. you started cursing. i would have hung up on you myself.

Cursing about the situation not directed towards her. As a CSR you have to deal with angry customers all the time. My friend works at Abit and I'm sure the level of calls there are a lot better than say Verizon. What the OP described here was rather civil and far from barbaric. If as a CSR you can't deal with one f-bomb, then you are just terrible--especially when you hang up when the customer is long done with the swearing.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: waggy
don't blame her. you started cursing. i would have hung up on you myself.

Cursing about the situation not directed towards her. As a CSR you have to deal with angry customers all the time. My friend works at Abit and I'm sure the level of calls there are a lot better than say Verizon. What the OP described here was rather civil and far from barbaric. If as a CSR you can't deal with one f-bomb, then you are just terrible--especially when you hang up when the customer is long done with the swearing.


Sure you have to deal with angry customers. BUT they do not have to put up with being cursed at.

There is no reason to curse at them. they didnt do anything wrong. anyway you get more done being nice.
 

Steve

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Training often specifies that once a customer starts swearing, they have crossed the line and a desk jockey has every right to hang up.


Between her outburst and her hanging up on you, you earned what you had coming. It's not an example of poor customer service, it's an example of the customer being a passive-aggressive asshole.
 

scootermaster

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Ah.

I see.

This is one of those "everyone has a right to be offended" sort of deals.

Because the one thing I forgot to mention -- and it's sort of important -- is that I was offended by her being offended. For example: If I say "I don't like apple pie", and you say "Wow, you hate white people, you're racist. I'm so offended you said that", I totally get to be offended by you being offended. How dare you put your BS opinions on me? Keep them to yourself.

So when she started getting huffy, I was like "wait, are you kidding? You're not serious, are you? I didn't say anything AT you", and I was offended at her being offended. I understand that some people find curse-words incredibly offensive. Some people also find breasts offensive. Some people find gay marriage offensive. Some people find anyone of a non-white skin color living in this country offensive. And, of course, some people find anything remotely America incredibly offensive and worth dying to prevent.

Honestly, all of the above, with the notable exception of the last one, are perfectly okay in this country. But that doesn't mean that it's MY job to sort out which is which, and make sure I'm taking care of every distinct group's feelings. And if I some how step over YOUR random-ass line, that's not my fault either. You can go ahead and be offended if you want. If that makes you happy, or feel better about yourself, then by all means.

I'm normally not the punitive type. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. But the idea that I'm a "passive-aggressive" asshole because I didn't agree with a [wrongfully enforced] policy of Verizon, and expressed my displeasure is just laughable.

The sick irony here is if you ask the SAME people if, say, someone wanted to get all traces of the confederate flag out of state materials, or change a sports team to a different name because they "found it offensive", they'd probably go tell that person to -- ahem -- go eff themselves and "build a bridge and get over it".

So I guess the important thing is, as always, not what's appropriate, or what offends me, or what offends that particular CSR...it's what offends YOU, Oh Lord-Of-Your-Own-Universe Holier-Than-Thou ATOT Poster. Thank you for clearing that up.
 

waggy

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i love it when posters ask if they are wrong and get pissy when people say yeah you are.
 

ggnl

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Originally posted by: scootermaster
Ah.

I see.

This is one of those "everyone has a right to be offended" sort of deals.

Because the one thing I forgot to mention -- and it's sort of important -- is that I was offended by her being offended. For example: If I say "I don't like apple pie", and you say "Wow, you hate white people, you're racist. I'm so offended you said that", I totally get to be offended by you being offended. How dare you put your BS opinions on me? Keep them to yourself.

So when she started getting huffy, I was like "wait, are you kidding? You're not serious, are you? I didn't say anything AT you", and I was offended at her being offended. I understand that some people find curse-words incredibly offensive. Some people also find breasts offensive. Some people find gay marriage offensive. Some people find anyone of a non-white skin color living in this country offensive. And, of course, some people find anything remotely America incredibly offensive and worth dying to prevent.

Honestly, all of the above, with the notable exception of the last one, are perfectly okay in this country. But that doesn't mean that it's MY job to sort out which is which, and make sure I'm taking care of every distinct group's feelings. And if I some how step over YOUR random-ass line, that's not my fault either. You can go ahead and be offended if you want. If that makes you happy, or feel better about yourself, then by all means.

I'm normally not the punitive type. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. But the idea that I'm a "passive-aggressive" asshole because I didn't agree with a [wrongfully enforced] policy of Verizon, and expressed my displeasure is just laughable.


So you're mad at her for getting mad at you and that somehow entitles you to take punitive (your word, not mine) action? Would it have been better if she just hung up without giving you the lecture?

Why not just admit that dropping an f-bomb during a CS call isn't very smart and drop the whole thing?
 

PepePeru

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what were you hoping to accomplish by saying that?
the CSR would understand that you're really really mad?
that by using a cuss word that she'd understand your plight?

you crossed the line. call back and remain civil and your issue might be resolved.
 

clamum

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Originally posted by: Steve
Why don't you offer to fix her computer, maybe get to know her better too?
lollerskates. Don't forget the tentacle porn!
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: waggy
i love it when posters ask if they are wrong and get pissy when people say yeah you are.

Yeah, just dug his hole a whole lot deeper as well.
 

rivan

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You dropped an F bomb. She's in the clear. I agree it's a little oversensitive, but she's in the clear in my book.

Here, I'm going to go ahead and copy one of my favorite emails from the office:
On 2/29/08, "Office Uber-Conservative Girl" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:
Can you please not respond to everyone if you are going to talk like that. Not everyone is comfortable with language like that. Thanks.


On 2/29/08, "xxx" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:

Fucking RIGHT ON!!!


On 2/29/08, "xxxx" <xxx@xxx.com> wrote:

<We won some awards>

I wish it were a joke, but some people are genuinely personally offended by stuff like that.
 

cdmccool

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Get over it.

I understand you didn't cuss at her, but that doesn't matter. You started cussing, and CSRs don't have to put up with it.

You can communicate that you are upset about the situation without cussing.